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JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
All those claims about Obama's administration were made by Republicans to scare their voters. Obama did not make those threats. Democrats did not make those threats. Most liberal supporters did not make those threats, save the fringe, and they're mostly kept to college campuses and Tumblr.
That's disingenuous. We've seen what Democrats do on, for example, guns when they get complete control of a government, thanks to states like California and New York and Connecitcut. Obama's a gun control advocate, he's a Democrat; saying that it's unfair to extrapolate what he would do if he had the option to do it based on what other gun control Democrats have done is ridiculous.
SickSix wrote: Has anyone acknowledged that Trumps campaign manager is a woman and also the first successful female Presidential Campaign manager?
Not sure how thats possible since he such a chauvinist pig...
Hitler had friends and loved ones. Besides, everyone has a price.
And she only got the job in August. And is blonde and not too bad looking. So she certainly would fit into the bracket of people who Trump would sexually assault.
I mean, Trump also owned Miss USA which is entirely about women so of course he can't be a chauvinist
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
I just want to thanks all the people who helped me to understand more clearly the American system. I wish you the best for your country now you have your new president, and a quick national reconciliation. I'm going back to 30k/40k.
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Candidate Barred From Bench Wins Judge Election in Illinois
The former nurse was fired from her courthouse job and criminally charged for donning a black robe and presiding over traffic cases that should've been heard by a real judge.
A law clerk who faces charges of impersonating a judge has been elected as a judge in the Chicago area even though she's been barred from taking the office.
Rhonda Crawford had been expected to win Tuesday's election over a write-in opponent, as she was the only name listed on the ballot for a Cook County judicial subcircuit. The 45-year-old can't be sworn in to the $180,000-a-year job unless she's cleared of wrongdoing.
The former nurse was fired from her courthouse job and criminally charged for donning a black robe and presiding over traffic cases that should've been heard by a real judge. The Illinois Supreme Court temporarily suspended her law license.
Crawford has said she'd been shadowing judges, observing how they work, when Judge Valarie Turner "encouraged" her to put on the robe and preside.
"I did not pronounce any judgments. ... I did not tell anyone that I was the judge," she said at her lawyer's office on Sept. 22. "I want to emphasize that the judge was always standing over me. She never left the bench."
She added at the time that she had "allowed my respect for the judge and my enthusiasm to learn the procedures of being a judge to become a distraction to others and to my own life-long ambition of being on the bench. It is a lesson I will never forget."
Crawford pleaded not guilty to both charges she faces, the Chicago Tribune reported, and the Supreme Court could appoint someone to fill the vacancy until the next election if she is declared permanently ineligible to serve.
Apparently Illinois doesn't believe in test drives in traffic court.
Prestor Jon wrote: It's disheartening because one would think that the people from the side that thought the reaction to Obama was hyperbolic nonsense would not indulge in the same kind of hyperbolic nonsense about Trump.
Well said. I guess we are always doomed to say, "but this time it's true."
Are you two really trying to equate the campaign promises and rhetoric that got Obama elected in 2008 and Trump elected in 2016?
Because I can't recall minorities in 2008 following rural whites around and threatening that their guns would be taken away, that they'd all be atheists or devil-worshipers, or they'd be deported to Europe once Obama was in the White House
No, I'm trying to explain that just as it was impossible for Obama to single handedly send people to FEMA camps, declare all veterans to be domestic terrorists, confiscate all our guns, cancel the 2016 elections, enact Sharia law at the federal level and subvert the US into becoming a communist country its' also impossible for Trump tosingle handedly deport tens of millions of people, build a giant wall across the entire southern border, drop nuclear weapons on half the middle east, repeal NAFTA, end NATO, etc.
I'm trying to explain that there is a difference between justifiable fears and hyperbolic fears.
Okay, all the examples you provided are all actions that Obama has been accused of by the Republican party and haven't actually been said by him. And you're right in that, even if any of those ideas were originally from him, he couldn't do any of them with Republicans in control of Congress.
But your Trump examples? They're all come directly from his mouth. Every single one. They're the promises that energized his supporters through the primaries and the general election. And he doesn't have to do them single handedly. He has the Republican Party in control of the government supporting him, a party that is increasingly being taken over by the extreme fringe.
There are also other fears. Are you going to deny that the VP of a President-Elect, and the party of the VP and President-Elect are supporters of the horrific and degrading methodology of conversion therapy? Should my friends in the LGBT community not be worried that the rights that they've only recently managed to get are going to be curtailed, since that's one of the major platforms of the too-be governing party?
Regardless of who said them they were being said and used to fan widespread panic and fear even though they weren't actually possible.
I'm not defending anything Trump or Pence have said or done or votes they've cast or legislation they've sponsored or signed.
Should your LGBT friends be concerned? To the extent that social issues included LGBT issues have become political footballs on the state and federal levels yes your friends should be concerned. Should your friends be concerned that Trump and Pence are going to somehow enact anti LGBT legislation through a Congress that only has a narrow Republican majority in the senate? Not really no. What anti LGBT legislation do you think Trump would try to pass that would get unified Republican support from people like Ryan in the House and people like McCain, Paul, and Rubio in the senate? And get all that Republican support without raising strong Democrat opposition? And be of sufficient priority for Trump waste valuable political capital on it before the midterm elections?
Two things have me worried about Trump's legislation and Republicans. The first is the overwhelming support from the Republican base that Trump recieved in comparison to McCain, Paul, Rubio and Ryan. The second is that those politicians continued to support Trump despite everything he said and did, just so they could retain office.
If Republicans believe that their base will support them if they want to enact anti-LGBT laws, along with the fact this election has proven that enough people may not care enough to fight back against them, then they might.
Ok, I understand that fear but I think the probability of something like that happening is very low. People like Ryan, Rubio, Cruz etc. eventually supported Trump's candidacy but that was due more to party obligation than out of any shared ideological or legislative agenda. Those guys didn't want to lose RNC funding or set themselves up for future challenger from the right to beat them up over not supporting Trump/helping Clinton win. Now that all those senators have secured another term they're pretty well insulated as long as they vote in a manner that suits their constituents in their home states.
While Trump did a better job of rallying support from his party than Clinton he still got fewer votes than McCain or Romney so while his base turned out in better numbers than Hillary he didn't grow the party or expand support, he just lost less Republican support than Hillary lost Democrat support. Trump's base isn't evenly spread out amongst the states. In Florida for example Trump narrowly won and Rubio doesn't want to go to far in supporting Trump that he risks alienating voters who are anti Trump Republicans or moderate Democrats he might get. All those swing states that broke Trump's way did so by very narrow margins so Republicans from those states are going to be very careful not to overreach and risk losing re-election over a social issue like LGBT that isn't anywhere near the top of peoples' priority lists in national polls.
Yes Trump said what he said but that doesn't have any bearing on his ability to actually do it. He can promise "A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage." that doesn't mean he can deliver on it. Trump can't build a wall unilaterally. He'll need Congress to pass legislation to do it and there won't be much enthusiasm among Republicans to sign onto that ineffective boondoggle.
Wait,so Obama is coming for our guns, Hillary is going to start World War 3, but Trump can't do anything he promised? Dude. Do you even read what you write?
I do, apparently you don't as you missed the part where I don't say any of those things. What I did write was that the hyperbolic fears of Obama confiscating guns were never realized because Obama never had the power to do it. Presidents can't unilaterally declare war on other countries either so Hillary was never going to single handedly start WWIII either. The rhetoric that Trump said and the campaign promises he made can't be enacted with unilateral presidential actions that's just fact, take it as you want.
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If you're not white and straight, I'd say you have a decent reason to be afraid.
And male. Don't forget, this is the party that wants to dictate what women should be allowed to do with their bodies.
Hell, as long as the Republicans can keep the economy from gaking itself in the next four years (cough2008recessioncough), I'm basically set. And I'm still very, very afraid.
Same. To be honest I'm less afraid of trump than what he can enable. The amount of things President Cheeto can do on his own are limited and even his own party seems less than thrilled with the more egregious of his promises. However the things he might be willing to sign off on from the more extreme elements in congress worry me. The man likes making deals and he's entering a market he's never played before, against parties with far more experience and talent at it than he has. He just doesn't have the chops to keep up, the legislature treating him like a chew toy is a best-case scenario for him.
In isolation trump is a harmless blowhard. With backwards-looking congress that can run circles around him on all matters other than rallying the uninformed to the polls? That's troublesome.
The man is also in poor health, old and about to face a job exponentially more stressful than any he's held before. If wouldn't be shocked if the man's ticker fails to carry him through all 4 years. Anyone afraid of trump has all the more reason be driven mad with terror at the man in line to replace him.
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Whether people like it or not Trump won so the whole "not my President" doesn't really work. It was stupid when people took that tack with Bush or Obama and it is stupid now. Put on your big boy pants and move on. There are ways to deal with this that don't include becoming that which you hate.
Considering that almost half the eligible voters just didn't show and that the information is showing that it was mostly from those that might have voted Dem I wonder how many that are complaining now also didn't vote to begin with.
In the end it is ok to be happy your candidate won, but that doesn't excuse gloating. It is ok to be sad if your candidate lost, but that doesn't mean pretending it isn't real does any good.
Trump won, and will be the next President.
As people have said the thing to be worried about isn't Trump but (some) of the people who voted for him and his VP. They are the ones that will be problematic and some already are, like the woman who pulled the hijab off another woman, the racial slurs on the rise, people following people of color and shouting at them, and graffiti of a questionable nature. Between this and the Bundy acquittal the worst elements in the country have been emboldened and it is going to take people of all stripes from all sides that aren't jackasses to deal with this.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ok, I understand that fear but I think the probability of something like that happening is very low. People like Ryan, Rubio, Cruz etc. eventually supported Trump's candidacy but that was due more to party obligation than out of any shared ideological or legislative agenda. Those guys didn't want to lose RNC funding or set themselves up for future challenger from the right to beat them up over not supporting Trump/helping Clinton win. Now that all those senators have secured another term they're pretty well insulated as long as they vote in a manner that suits their constituents in their home states.
While Trump did a better job of rallying support from his party than Clinton he still got fewer votes than McCain or Romney so while his base turned out in better numbers than Hillary he didn't grow the party or expand support, he just lost less Republican support than Hillary lost Democrat support. Trump's base isn't evenly spread out amongst the states. In Florida for example Trump narrowly won and Rubio doesn't want to go to far in supporting Trump that he risks alienating voters who are anti Trump Republicans or moderate Democrats he might get. All those swing states that broke Trump's way did so by very narrow margins so Republicans from those states are going to be very careful not to overreach and risk losing re-election over a social issue like LGBT that isn't anywhere near the top of peoples' priority lists in national polls.
Yes Trump said what he said but that doesn't have any bearing on his ability to actually do it. He can promise "A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage." that doesn't mean he can deliver on it. Trump can't build a wall unilaterally. He'll need Congress to pass legislation to do it and there won't be much enthusiasm among Republicans to sign onto that ineffective boondoggle.
The main worry I have behind this is that what the Republican base ultimately wanted was Trump and his policies. When it looked as though he was losing, Republicans started to pull their support. Trump told them, you better support me or I'll tell my supporters to go against you. There was a pretty vocal response from the base that echoed this settlement, so those Republican politicians fell back into line. So what happens when Republicans, looking at the midterms in two years, begin to think they need to follow Trump in order to stay in their seats?
And the main assumption we've had this entire time is that Trump will stay within the rules. He spent his entire campaigned breaking conventions and was celebrated for this. The fact is, we don't know what lengths Trump will go to make sure that the roaring crowds that sustained him over the course of his campaign will keep yelling his name. We have a man going into the Oval Office who has actually said, when it looked like he might lose, that we should just cancel the election and give it to him. That should scare people.
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Ahtman wrote: As people have said the thing to be worried about isn't Trump but (some) of the people who voted for him and his VP. They are the ones that will be problematic and some already are, like the woman who pulled the hijab off another woman, the racial slurs on the rise, people following people of color and shouting at them, and graffiti of a questionable nature. Between this and the Bundy acquittal the worst elements in the country have been emboldened and it is going to take people of all stripes from all sides that aren't jackasses to deal with this.
No gak, it's already begun.
Apparently he's tapped professional science liar Myron Ebell to head the EPA. WTF. That's like putting a serial groper in charge of a beauty pageant - oh I see now.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Ahtman wrote: Whether people like it or not Trump won so the whole "not my President" doesn't really work. It was stupid when people took that tack with Bush or Obama and it is stupid now. Put on your big boy pants and move on. There are ways to deal with this that don't include becoming that which you hate.
Considering that almost half the eligible voters just didn't show and that the information is showing that it was mostly from those that might have voted Dem I wonder how many that are complaining now also didn't vote to begin with.
In the end it is ok to be happy your candidate won, but that doesn't excuse gloating. It is ok to be sad if your candidate lost, but that doesn't mean pretending it isn't real does any good.
Trump won, and will be the next President.
As people have said the thing to be worried about isn't Trump but (some) of the people who voted for him and his VP. They are the ones that will be problematic and some already are, like the woman who pulled the hijab off another woman, the racial slurs on the rise, people following people of color and shouting at them, and graffiti of a questionable nature. Between this and the Bundy acquittal the worst elements in the country have been emboldened and it is going to take people of all stripes from all sides that aren't jackasses to deal with this.
Yup. I'm not happy in the slightest, but I'm not going to deny his presidency or peddle conspiracies that he's not legitimate. *cough*birtherism*coughcough*
And if when all the votes are counted, if HRC wins the popular, I'm still going to be unhappy, but he'll still be the POTUS. Now I will do all in my power (essentially none, but I can complain online ) to resist his insane plans and promote equality for all. But he'll still be the president.
Whembly make a snide remark about "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" thing, but it doesn't really apply. There's always been a difference between dissent and straight up denying someones legitimacy. Now I do hope that the R's and D's in congress work together (and they have to now) to do what is best for America, and they can overrule Trump's vetos if it comes to it. But when it does (and you know it will, because Trump is a petulant man-child, who will veto bills out of spite and anger), we can all enjoy his whining together.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Ahtman wrote: As people have said the thing to be worried about isn't Trump but (some) of the people who voted for him and his VP. They are the ones that will be problematic and some already are, like the woman who pulled the hijab off another woman, the racial slurs on the rise, people following people of color and shouting at them, and graffiti of a questionable nature. Between this and the Bundy acquittal the worst elements in the country have been emboldened and it is going to take people of all stripes from all sides that aren't jackasses to deal with this.
No gak, it's already begun.
Apparently he's tapped professional science liar Myron Ebell to head the EPA. WTF. That's like putting a serial groper in charge of a beauty pageant - oh I see now.
This is what happens when you put a man who thinks climate change is a Chinese conspiracy in charge of the country. I'm actually quite worried about our environmental protections at this point. And I'm sure you guys all can't wait to see the BLM land which has been preserved for the citizens of the country sold off too private companies and we start drilling for oil in the ANWR. Say goodbye to all the steps we have made towards energy independence and getting off fossil fuels. Say hello to unregulated fracking and drilling, fething up our water-tables and environment. '
The environment is my second biggest issue (after civil rights/liberties). I already got to see my issues ignored for 8 years (Obama wasn't bad on the environment, but he also wasn't great, and it largely got pushed to the sidelines with middle east and the recovery). Can't wait to see them actively trampled on for 4.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Ahtman wrote: Between this and the Bundy acquittal the worst elements in the country have been emboldened and it is going to take people of all stripes from all sides that aren't jackasses to deal with this.
They are the country. What 2016 says is that the racists and the sexists will rule, the worst ingrates will applaud them and create the fantasies needed to proclaim their moral superiority, and everyone else will let them. Either by bemoaning their piss poor choices like entitled brats, cognitive dissonance, desperation, or rose tinted glasses we've learned that when faced with a real hard choice people would rather stay home and let our worst demons rule.
The dream is a lie. There's no point pretending otherwise anymore.
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Ahtman wrote: Between this and the Bundy acquittal the worst elements in the country have been emboldened and it is going to take people of all stripes from all sides that aren't jackasses to deal with this.
They are the country. What 2016 says is that the racists and the sexists will rule, the worst ingrates will applaud them and create the fantasies needed to proclaim their moral superiority, and everyone else will let them. Either by bemoaning their piss poor choices like entitled brats, cognitive dissonance, desperation, or rose tinted glasses we've learned that when faced with a real hard choice people would rather stay home and let our worst demons rule.
The dream is a lie. There's no point pretending otherwise anymore.
No man, Hillary is just as bad.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
So, another protest from the schools, even bigger this time. Police where here, right in my driveway. Near my cousins house, a 40yr old white man got robbed while kids beat him and screamed "feth TRUMP" all of who where hispanic.
That same cousin got his car vandilized because of his trump sticker.
The very first thing that Trump needs to do, please sooner rather than later, is to make some kind of gesture or statement to show that he rejects these incidents of harassment folks are claiming are being perpetrated in his name.
I don't believe it is the end times for our Republic. I think that is nonsense. I understand the frustration of HRC supporters and I am sorry to see how anxious so many of them now are. Trump needs to be held accountable and to hold himself accountable for the things he's said along the way to this point and really reach out to these folks.
Ahtman wrote: Between this and the Bundy acquittal the worst elements in the country have been emboldened and it is going to take people of all stripes from all sides that aren't jackasses to deal with this.
They are the country. What 2016 says is that the racists and the sexists will rule, the worst ingrates will applaud them and create the fantasies needed to proclaim their moral superiority, and everyone else will let them. Either by bemoaning their piss poor choices like entitled brats, cognitive dissonance, desperation, or rose tinted glasses we've learned that when faced with a real hard choice people would rather stay home and let our worst demons rule.
The dream is a lie. There's no point pretending otherwise anymore.
I personally think it's rather the opposite. He won with less votes than Romney or Mcain. What this really shows is twofold:
a. Running a person who was the epitome of the establishment, and not very likable to boot won't get you the presidancy.
and
b. The only way a person like Trump can win is if we give up. We must keep fighting to make this country better. To make this world better. It is our duty, as Americans, and as Humans. We must not give up. We cannot give up. That disillusionment, that lack of effort is how people like Trump wins.
Corey Booker 2020!
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
I got to be a part of a conversation today about lynching HRC. No I am not kidding. I wish I was.
The past two days working in the coal mine offices I clean I have had to be very careful to keep to myself as not only could I be fired if I who voted for got out but I could also be harassed or even attacked.
I have had to listen about how they want our company's CEO to be given the position of EPA president because of his support for Trump, crony capitalism at it's finest, without a hint of irony.
I have overheard laughter about the protests in California as they hope the cops bust those 'gays' heads in something good.
I have heard how Obama needs to be hanged once he's out of office.
I am buying an I-pod next pay as it is the only thing I can do to keep my sanity...
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You seem to be presuming what you need to show: if homosexuality is a mere quirk of biology, why must we eliminate all such other factors before an effective conversion therapy be morally neutral?
We've recognized homosexuality in every mammalian species, and some avian species, and yet it's somehow wrong for humans to exhibit the same traits?
What is so wrong about homosexuality that you feel the need to force people to conform to YOUR views? Especially since you are equating homosexuality with a lifestyle, why should people conform to a hetero lifestyle?
Well it looks like the thread has jumped the shark..so.
I always get a kick out of the "homosexuality in nature", therefore it is ok for humanity. The appeal to nature is a logical fallacy. Take a look at what happens when a new Alpha Lion takes over a pride and tell me that's ok for Humanity as well.
(For the uneducated.... they kill all the cubs from the previous Alpha Lion)
You seem to be presuming what you need to show: if homosexuality is a mere quirk of biology, why must we eliminate all such other factors before an effective conversion therapy be morally neutral?
We've recognized homosexuality in every mammalian species, and some avian species, and yet it's somehow wrong for humans to exhibit the same traits?
What is so wrong about homosexuality that you feel the need to force people to conform to YOUR views? Especially since you are equating homosexuality with a lifestyle, why should people conform to a hetero lifestyle?
Well it looks like the thread has jumped the shark..so.
I always get a kick out of the "homosexuality in nature", therefore it is ok for humanity. The appeal to nature is a logical fallacy. Take a look at what happens when a new Alpha Lion takes over a pride and tell me that's ok for Humanity as well.
(For the uneducated.... they kill all the cubs from the previous Alpha Lion)
GG
Ah, thanks, OT. Things weren't bad enough; it's nice to be reminded that some people care enough about consenting adults having hanky-panky to equate it to child murder or something.
They are the country. What 2016 says is that the racists and the sexists will rule, the worst ingrates will applaud them and create the fantasies needed to proclaim their moral superiority, and everyone else will let them. Either by bemoaning their piss poor choices like entitled brats, cognitive dissonance, desperation, or rose tinted glasses we've learned that when faced with a real hard choice people would rather stay home and let our worst demons rule.
The dream is a lie. There's no point pretending otherwise anymore.
That's horse****. "They" are not the country. "They" represent roughly the 49% of them that came out to vote, and voter turnout isn't exactly high.
Calling "them" racists, sexists and ingrates" is swill, plain and simple. There is a fringe (as always) that is ugly, but to label every Trump supporter as you appear to be doing is just about the most disingenuous and irresponsible thing you could do.
I know this is a wide-ranging discussion - POLITICS is a big issue - but for the purposes of the current state of this discussion the morality of homosexuality is definitely off-topic.
Seaward wrote: I'm shocked that the earlier story about the Muslim university student being beaten and robbed of her hijab by Trump supporters turned out to be bs.
I'm surprised there haven't been more fictional stories like that.
They are the country. What 2016 says is that the racists and the sexists will rule, the worst ingrates will applaud them and create the fantasies needed to proclaim their moral superiority, and everyone else will let them. Either by bemoaning their piss poor choices like entitled brats, cognitive dissonance, desperation, or rose tinted glasses we've learned that when faced with a real hard choice people would rather stay home and let our worst demons rule.
The dream is a lie. There's no point pretending otherwise anymore.
That's horse****. "They" are not the country. "They" represent roughly the 49% of them that came out to vote, and voter turnout isn't exactly high.
Calling "them" racists, sexists and ingrates" is swill, plain and simple. There is a fringe (as always) that is ugly, but to label every Trump supporter as you appear to be doing is just about the most disingenuous and irresponsible thing you could do.
I don't disagree, but there's an important caveat there - the people who voted for him are at least comfortable with electing an openly bigoted, racist, sexist, sexual assaulter. That says something; whether it says it about the voters, about his opponent, or about both I'll leave up to everyone else trying to make sense of this.
Seaward wrote: I'm shocked that the earlier story about the Muslim university student being beaten and robbed of her hijab by Trump supporters turned out to be bs.
I'm surprised there haven't been more fictional stories like that.
TBH this is almost as bad - maybe even worse - because it's just a further erosion of trust. As soon as I saw the first report of someone saying "I was just harassed by Trump supporters" this morning, I immediately saw people respond, "you are a liar." And now with this story, looks like we have our first confirmed liar. But then again with so little info, people could counter with some theory about how this woman was bullied by the cops to recant her allegations. It's a spiral of social chaos. (I'm not saying it started today or yesterday BTW.)
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