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Verviedi wrote: He probably won't. Legislature is controlled by Republicans. All we can do is hope that he is a good enough governor that he keeps winning, and the Republicans are voted out due to redistricting.
Yeah, I was at the state legislature last night watching, and it was kind of disturbing. The republicans met behind closed doors, decided what they were going to do, and then immediately rushed through the vote without any debate. Cooper is going to be very limited in what he can do against a veto-proof majority, and the legislature is busy trying to remove as much of his power as possible before he even takes office. It probably comes down to just how much the republican party's lawyers think they can get away with.
On the good side, thanks to republican gerrymandering getting overturned by the courts, we have a special election coming up next year with new district boundaries. Hopefully that and some backlash over the republican party's blatant attempts to turn Raleigh into South Chicago will get rid of that majority.
That's honestly horrifying. I hope there isn't a single uncontested race in the state election next year (obviously uncontested Democrat is an exception). Even if literal random people off the street have to run, that would be better than the muppets we have now.
Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Frazzled wrote: He is the human equivalent of a tranquilizer isn't he. I guess thats good when you are an open heart surgeon.
I still find it amazing he did better than most in the Primary.
Why should you? These same people elected Donald Trump.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Verviedi wrote: He probably won't. Legislature is controlled by Republicans. All we can do is hope that he is a good enough governor that he keeps winning, and the Republicans are voted out due to redistricting.
Yeah, I was at the state legislature last night watching, and it was kind of disturbing. The republicans met behind closed doors, decided what they were going to do, and then immediately rushed through the vote without any debate. Cooper is going to be very limited in what he can do against a veto-proof majority, and the legislature is busy trying to remove as much of his power as possible before he even takes office. It probably comes down to just how much the republican party's lawyers think they can get away with.
On the good side, thanks to republican gerrymandering getting overturned by the courts, we have a special election coming up next year with new district boundaries. Hopefully that and some backlash over the republican party's blatant attempts to turn Raleigh into South Chicago will get rid of that majority.
That's honestly horrifying. I hope there isn't a single uncontested race in the state election next year (obviously uncontested Democrat is an exception). Even if literal random people off the street have to run, that would be better than the muppets we have now.
Thats how the Texas governor is. In Texas the Lt. Governor has more power. It was designed like that as our governor's were defacto appointed by the Feds for a few years after a short tiff that lasted about four years and Feds just held a grudge.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Breotan wrote: So did Cruz's and Rubio's supporters so I'm not sure what your point is. Unless you're just trolling.
You're missing the irony in finding it "amazing" that someone as terrible as Ben Carson did as well as he did in the primaries when these are the same people (read: you and other Republicans) voted for someone as terrible as Donald Trump.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
You seem to have been triggered do you need a safe space?
You appear to have been triggered by his statement, just I have been triggered by your statement, and I'm sure this statement must have triggered someone else.
Which is all pretty silly, and doesn't really contribute anything. <-- possibly triggering statement
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The snowblinding glare of Trump's cabinet is less problematic than it's naked disregard for actual facts or reasonable policy (SecDef aside).
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We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Co'tor Shas wrote: This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
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feeder wrote: The snowblinding glare of Trump's cabinet is less problematic than it's naked disregard for actual facts or reasonable policy (SecDef aside).
So says a Canadian.
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Co'tor Shas wrote: This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
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feeder wrote: The snowblinding glare of Trump's cabinet is less problematic than it's naked disregard for actual facts or reasonable policy (SecDef aside).
So says a Canadian.
Facts (or lack thereof) know no borders, cousin. I'm worried for my American fam.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Kilkrazy wrote: To get back to a more serious aspect of the general topic, it seems that Trump is having difficulty getting someone to play at his Inauguration Ball.
The statement that Sir Elton John was on the bill turned out to be another lie.
No worries... I'm sure Kid Rock or Kanye West would perform.
whembly wrote: No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
Except it isn't, because other states are free to do the same things. A strong federal government leaves less room for the states to gerrymander and manipulate the rules until one party gives itself power forever, since accomplishing the same exploits at the federal level requires you to get cooperation across a much larger group of competing interests and state borders can't be gerrymandered.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Co'tor Shas wrote: This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
This specific action, yes, but I'm talking about generally. State legislatures aren't int he public eye, and their legislators are, shall we say, less professional. It leads to a lot of bonkers stuff. Most of the crazy in the US comes from state governments.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Co'tor Shas wrote: This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
This specific action, yes, but I'm talking about generally. State legislatures aren't int he public eye, and their legislators are, shall we say, less professional. It leads to a lot of bonkers stuff. Most of the crazy in the US comes from state governments.
Look... I think it's ridiculous when NC GOP does it... or when Massachusetts' Democratic state congress does it too when Romney won his first Governor term...
But people have means to fix it over time by voting those yahoos out.
Keep the crazies at the state level w/o empowering the national gubmit acting as big brother.
Co'tor Shas wrote: This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
This specific action, yes, but I'm talking about generally. State legislatures aren't int he public eye, and their legislators are, shall we say, less professional. It leads to a lot of bonkers stuff. Most of the crazy in the US comes from state governments.
Look... I think it's ridiculous when NC GOP does it... or when Massachusetts' Democratic state congress does it too when Romney won his first Governor term...
But people have means to fix it over time by voting those yahoos out.
Keep the crazies at the state level w/o empowering the national gubmit acting as big brother.
People also have the power to fix the fed gov over time, if it's broken. Doesn't change the fact the state governments house most of the crazy in this country, and I say that with the knowledge that Donald Trump is president!
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Co'tor Shas wrote: This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
This specific action, yes, but I'm talking about generally. State legislatures aren't int he public eye, and their legislators are, shall we say, less professional. It leads to a lot of bonkers stuff. Most of the crazy in the US comes from state governments.
Look... I think it's ridiculous when NC GOP does it... or when Massachusetts' Democratic state congress does it too when Romney won his first Governor term...
But people have means to fix it over time by voting those yahoos out.
Keep the crazies at the state level w/o empowering the national gubmit acting as big brother.
Only took 6 hours to go from "feth these guys" to "both sides do it".
Is 6 hours the speed of sharing and spreading justifications on Twittah?
Co'tor Shas wrote: This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
This specific action, yes, but I'm talking about generally. State legislatures aren't int he public eye, and their legislators are, shall we say, less professional. It leads to a lot of bonkers stuff. Most of the crazy in the US comes from state governments.
Look... I think it's ridiculous when NC GOP does it... or when Massachusetts' Democratic state congress does it too when Romney won his first Governor term...
But people have means to fix it over time by voting those yahoos out.
Keep the crazies at the state level w/o empowering the national gubmit acting as big brother.
People also have the power to fix the fed gov over time, if it's broken. Doesn't change the fact the state governments house most of the crazy in this country, and I say that with the knowledge that Donald Trump is president!
Alright... let me ask you this...
What provision under the US Constitution allows the Federal government to stop what NC GOP just did, or what the MA Dems have done to Romney??
Co'tor Shas wrote: This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
This specific action, yes, but I'm talking about generally. State legislatures aren't int he public eye, and their legislators are, shall we say, less professional. It leads to a lot of bonkers stuff. Most of the crazy in the US comes from state governments.
Look... I think it's ridiculous when NC GOP does it... or when Massachusetts' Democratic state congress does it too when Romney won his first Governor term...
But people have means to fix it over time by voting those yahoos out.
Keep the crazies at the state level w/o empowering the national gubmit acting as big brother.
Only took 6 hours to go from "feth these guys" to "both sides do it".
Is 6 hours the speed of sharing and spreading justifications on Twittah?
d-usa.
Awesome contribution to this thread.
Really riveting!
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What provision under the US Constitution allows the Federal government to stop what NC GOP just did, or what the MA Dems have done to Romney??
The power to take control of as much of the business of running the country as possible and minimize the damage state governments can do. It's hard to hurt people when the result of all your gerrymandering and vote rigging and rules changes is that your party has a veto-proof majority to decide what the state bird is going to be.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
What provision under the US Constitution allows the Federal government to stop what NC GOP just did, or what the MA Dems have done to Romney??
The power to take control of as much of the business of running the country as possible and minimize the damage state governments can do. It's hard to hurt people when the result of all your gerrymandering and vote rigging and rules changes is that your party has a veto-proof majority to decide what the state bird is going to be.
What provision under the US Constitution allows the Federal government to stop what NC GOP just did, or what the MA Dems have done to Romney??
The power to take control of as much of the business of running the country as possible and minimize the damage state governments can do. It's hard to hurt people when the result of all your gerrymandering and vote rigging and rules changes is that your party has a veto-proof majority to decide what the state bird is going to be.
Cite it please.
Well, one of the mechanisms was the voting rights act...but the Republicans have gutted that. Why? Because there isn't racism anymore! Or the Equal Protection Clause...which Scalia helped to gut....
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cuda1179 wrote: And yet you are assuming that only your interpretation of what context was implied is correct. Unless you have a crystal ball, a psychic, or some other insight on what this man was implying, what he said could be factually correct.
It doesn't require a crystal ball to know that person referring to planetary history is probably talking about planetary history.
EDIT - I think this is within the mod's on topic guidleines, but if not I apologize.
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cuda1179 wrote: Motyak,
Fair enough. So, regardless of new source, to sum up the previous news article:
Jill Stein's recount effort for Michigan not only added more votes for Trump, but deleted several for Clinton due to some really craptastic machines.
Your summary still misses the actual substance of the story;
The audit identified old machines that were no longer performing their role in the audit effectively, and are now being replaced.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Co'tor Shas wrote: This is the problem when people get greedy for power, and can't accept when the lose. It's also the reason why I scoff when people say we should leave things to the states. As bad as the federal government can be at times, state governments are almost assured to be worse.
No. At least this bs is relegate to the state of NC and not nationally.
This specific action, yes, but I'm talking about generally. State legislatures aren't int he public eye, and their legislators are, shall we say, less professional. It leads to a lot of bonkers stuff. Most of the crazy in the US comes from state governments.
Look... I think it's ridiculous when NC GOP does it... or when Massachusetts' Democratic state congress does it too when Romney won his first Governor term...
But people have means to fix it over time by voting those yahoos out.
Keep the crazies at the state level w/o empowering the national gubmit acting as big brother.
People also have the power to fix the fed gov over time, if it's broken. Doesn't change the fact the state governments house most of the crazy in this country, and I say that with the knowledge that Donald Trump is president!
Alright... let me ask you this...
What provision under the US Constitution allows the Federal government to stop what NC GOP just did, or what the MA Dems have done to Romney??
What? I'm not advocating that the fed do anything about it, just comments that when people want to "leave stuff to the states" I laugh because our state governments are gak.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Cite what? My personal opinion that the federal government should have most of the power and states should be limited?
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
This first five words of this amendment, “Congress shall make no law”, basically removes everything that follows from the field of federal jurisdiction. If Congress can make “no law” then there is “no law” for the president to enforce and there is “no law” for the Supreme Court or federal courts to rule upon.
This guy has a really brain dead idea about how jurisprudence works.
Not really.
He's pining for the days where State's rights is a thing. Whereas today... we allow the Feds to trample them in many cases.
1) States Rights wasn't a thing until 1840 (the states didn't have rights in the Founder's conception, there were just things the Fed could do and everything else it couldn't)
2) Even then States Rights wasn't really a thing so much as an argument that started in the North about the expansion of Slavery in the territories that translated after 1867 into "bad fed govment rawr"
3) There will be a law whether the piece of paper says "no law" or not because the whole point of putting it on paper in the first place was because the Founders weren't dumb enough to think Congress would never try. And even then we've had to past protection laws anyway because the States keep trying.
4) The Supreme Court by definition is "supreme" and has full jurisdiction to rule on any law that comes in front of it
5) That whole thing basically reads out as a "damn government won't let me establish state sponsored religion to hell with the 14th" which is equally stupid because there is no good argument that its okay for the state legislature to trample my Civil Rights when the Federal government can't
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