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**Sarouan**

reds8n wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-secretary-of-state-reject-john-bolton-moustache-transition-president-elect-cabinet-a7489576.html

Donald Trump passed over a potential candidate for Secretary of State due to his bushy mustache, according to insiders close to the incoming US President.

Several of Mr Trump’s associates said they thought that John Bolton’s brush-like mustache was one of the factors that handicapped the bombastic former United Nations ambassador in the sweepstakes for the role.

“Donald was not going to like that mustache,” said one, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “I can’t think of anyone that’s really close to Donald that has a beard that he likes.

... well..

yeah.

TBF i think Bolton is a grade A witch of the worst kind so I'm not exactly gnashing ones teeth here.

... there's reports that Trump has given the job to his nephew but ...???

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811778176120668160

I met some really great Air Force GENERALS and Navy ADMIRALS today, talking about airplane capability and pricing. Very impressive people!

They read all of a book and count the numbers. Nobody helps them. They’ve been to abroad, not in a hotel! Uniforms. And then we had ice cream.

Is it possible to somehow buy shares in ALL CAPS at all ? If so, then buy quickly.

Outside of America, Bush was considered to be a really dumb president.

Trump is beyond that state. That American people voted for him and still try to support him or the mockery of his party is now the real laughingstock. Sadly, it is not funny at all for a lot of people.

Welcome to New Republican Fascism.

**Frazzled**

You seem to not understand the definition of Fascism. Thanks for playing anyway.

**feeder**

Frazzled wrote:
You seem to not understand the definition of Fascism. Thanks for playing anyway.

Go look it up. Given the rhetoric from the Drumpf campaign and who he's stuffing his cabinet with, it's not as much hyperbole as I'd like.

**Ustrello**

Frazzled wrote:
You seem to not understand the definition of Fascism. Thanks for playing anyway.

and you are implying trump is not nationalistic?

**Frazzled**

Ustrello wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
You seem to not understand the definition of Fascism. Thanks for playing anyway.

and you are implying trump is not nationalistic?

Are you saying Winston Churchill wasn't?

**agnosto**

cuda1179 wrote:
agnosto wrote:
cuda1179 wrote:
Okay, I looked into the claims a bit, and the college as a foreign citizen thing was actually a hoax. I apologize for that. The same is true of the Passport issue.

That being said, He was enrolled in school as a child as an Indonesian citizen. That would make his parents liars, not him I guess.

How old was he at the time? Most countries don't require children of mixed nationality to choose a country of citizenship until their age of majority (18 or older). This allows them to claim citizenship in both countries, creating dual-citizenship in essence until such time as they have to decide.

Here's a real world example. My wife is Japanese, I am American, this makes our daughter 1/2 Japanese and 1/2 American. American law allows for dual citizenship; however, Japanese law does not. The Japanese govt issued her with a Japanese passport and recognizes her as a Japanese citizen, the same for the US. Japanese law is such that she'll need to decide on her nationality when she's 18 (or possibly 19, my memory is spotty).

This appears to be the case in Indonesia as well:
The Indonesian nationality law does not recognize dual citizenship except for persons under the age of 18 (single citizenship principle).

This was from the 2006 Nationality law in Indonesia; I don't know what the laws were when Obama lived there nor am I interested enough to dig further. Suffice it to say that it's entirely plausible for a child to hold dual-citizenship in countries where it's not legal for adults.

But here is the catch, neither of his parents are of Indonesian heritage. Let's use your example. Let's say you re-married to a woman from Canada, then immigrated there. Your daughter is half American, half Japanese. Even if she was under 18, there is no way Canada would consider her Canadian unless you jumped through Canadian immigration laws.

Not that I really believe the birther theories, I was just saying that one or two things they claim weren't 100 bat gak crazy (just 95% or so).

While that's true, Indonesian law allows someone to become a citizen if they're married to an Indonesian citizen. Obama's mom was married to an Indonesian citizen at the time which would result in Obama being granted citizenship (at least until the age of majority).

**Magister**

Far more important than Obama's heritage: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-us-nuclear-arsenal-weapons-tweets-expansion-bolster-world-senses-twitter-a7490846.html

It's almost like he wants to spark another war...

**Co'tor Shas**

But Clinton was the one who was going to start WWIII...

**Easy E**

Frazzled wrote:
You seem to not understand the definition of Fascism. Thanks for playing anyway.

So we are all on the same page, here is what Merriam-Webster has to say....

Definition of fascism
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

So, not there yet America. However, with all the zaniness in NC, we all might want to read, It Can't Happen Here

In 1936 Senator Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a charismatic and power-hungry politician, wins the election as President of the United States on a populist platform, promising to restore the country to prosperity and greatness, and promising each citizen $5,000 a year. Portraying himself as a champion of traditional American values, Windrip easily defeats his opponents, Senator Walt Trowbridge and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Though having previously foreshadowed some authoritarian measures in order to reorganize the United States government, Windrip rapidly outlaws dissent, incarcerates political enemies in concentration camps, and trains and arms a paramilitary force called the Minute Men, who terrorize citizens and enforce the policies of Windrip and his "corporatist" regime. One of his first acts as president is to eliminate the influence of the United States Congress, which draws the ire of many citizens as well as the legislators themselves. The Minute Men respond to protests against Windrip's decisions harshly, attacking demonstrators with bayonets. In addition to these actions, Windrip's administration, known as the "Corpo" government, curtails women's and minority rights, and eliminates individual states by subdividing the country into administrative sectors. The government of these sectors is managed by "Corpo" authorities, usually prominent businessmen or Minute Men officers. Those accused of crimes against the government appear before kangaroo courts presided over by "military judges". Despite these dictatorial (and "quasi-draconian") measures, a majority of Americans approve of them, seeing them as necessary but painful steps to restore American power. Others, those less enthusiastic about the prospect of corporatism, reassure themselves that fascism cannot "happen here", hence the novel's title.

**Frazzled**

FUsion bombs to the left of me. Fusion bombs to the right, forward forward road the brave...BOOOM and then they got vaporized.

-"Charge of the Light Electrobrigade" the newest Black Library novel...

**A Town Called Malus**

Magister wrote:

Far more important than Obama's heritage: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-us-nuclear-arsenal-weapons-tweets-expansion-bolster-world-senses-twitter-a7490846.html

It's almost like he wants to spark another war...

What is hilarious is that escalating the amount of nuclear weapons is the complete opposite of the world coming to its senses regarding nukes.

**reds8n**

TBF nuking the swamp --- Yes, even from orbit -- would drain it.

technically.

**Frazzled**

Here we are in agreement. I can understand upgrading/updating the arsenal but not the need for increased warhead numbers. Besides I thought we had a fully operational Twitterbombing launcher now when he was elected.

**A Town Called Malus**

reds8n wrote:

TBF nuking the swamp --- Yes, even from orbit -- would drain it.

technically.

No, it would vapourise it and send it into the atmosphere from where it would spread over an even greater area and in an inhalable form.

At least now it is contained in one place

**Frazzled**

Suddenly the plot of the Andromeda Strain takes on a whole new and infinitely more terrifying dimension.

**tneva82**

agnosto wrote:
While that's true, Indonesian law allows someone to become a citizen if they're married to an Indonesian citizen. Obama's mom was married to an Indonesian citizen at the time which would result in Obama being granted citizenship (at least until the age of majority).

What's btw the angle all those birther theoristics about? Barrack was Indonesian so he wasn't qualified for president and ergo illegal presidency? That's it? If so just how INCOMPETENT they think US goverment are if they think they are incapable of checking couple candinates for whether they are qualified or not for the most influencial position in the US

I don't have too high expectations of quality of bureacracy but if it was that bad nothing whatsoever would work.

If that's not it then what's so big deal that it keeps popping up all the time...

**Frazzled**

tneva82 wrote:
agnosto wrote:
While that's true, Indonesian law allows someone to become a citizen if they're married to an Indonesian citizen. Obama's mom was married to an Indonesian citizen at the time which would result in Obama being granted citizenship (at least until the age of majority).

What's btw the angle all those birther theoristics about? Barrack was Indonesian so he wasn't qualified for president and ergo illegal presidency? That's it? If so just how INCOMPETENT they think US goverment are if they think they are incapable of checking couple candinates for whether they are qualified or not for the most influencial position in the US I don't have too high expectations of quality of bureacracy but if it was that bad nothing whatsoever would work.

If that's not it then what's so big deal that it keeps popping up all the time...

The argument (I think) is that he was never actually born in the US. There could be other arguments as well. I'm not involved and its pretty out there. It evolves when you hit them with...facts, like any other nutjob conspiracy. I think in the real world the two big things that kicked were his name and his interesting life story pre-university. Some hep cat from Chicago he aint, which is what glommed onto. If he was from Chicago or his name was Berry Jackson, it could not have been seized on.

Thats what I'm getting anyway. As noted I never got past the "well his mom was this F'd up hippy leftist from the Midwest." Once mom-born in the US, then you're good full stop.

**tneva82**

Frazzled wrote:
The argument (I think) is that he was never actually born in the US. There could be other arguments as well. I'm not involved and its pretty out there. It evolves when you hit them with...facts, like any other nutjob conspiracy. I think in the real world the two big things that kicked were his name and his interesting life story pre-university. Some hep cat from Chicago he aint, which is what glommed onto. If he was from Chicago or his name was Berry Jackson, it could not have been seized on.

That's the arqument but what's the target? Let's assume they were right. What they are hoping to accomplish with it?

Only thing I can come up with is making his presidency illegal(maybe resulting in laws he set be automatically pulled back? Is that even possible?) but at that point we would have to come into conclusion that the part of US goverment that's responsible for making sure president meets legal requirements would have to be grossly incompetent. Not like they have to check thousands of peoples per year!

Sceptism toward goverment I can understand but this feels more than a wee bit too crazy sceptism

**Pouncey**

I want to say something humorous that makes fun of Trump. Is that okay? Everyone cool with that?

Well, Trump insists that he has ten billion dollars. He probably doesn't, but it's what he insists on.

Coincidentally, the ticket cost of a planned, future mission to Mars that will send volunteers to live there, is ALSO ten billion dollars.

This means that if Trump actually does have ten billion dollars like he says he does... yes, we CAN send Trump to Mars, AND make him pay for it!

**tneva82**

Pouncey wrote:
This means that if Trump actually does have ten billion dollars like he says he does... yes, we CAN send Trump to Mars, AND make him pay for it!

Oh dear no! Imagine if there ARE Marsians! You want Trump to be on first contact situation?-)

"We are going to build a wall between earth and mars! And we'll make them pay for it!"

Sorry. Couldn't resist

**Pouncey**

tneva82 wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
This means that if Trump actually does have ten billion dollars like he says he does... yes, we CAN send Trump to Mars, AND make him pay for it!

Oh dear no! Imagine if there ARE Marsians! You want Trump to be on first contact situation?-)

I think the Martians will be so clueless about the English language and human body language that it doesn't matter whether they meet Trump or our finest corps of diplomats, no one's understanding a damned thing anyone else is saying or doing.

Besides, look on the bright side, there are no Martians because Mars cannot support life.

**CptJake**

Frazzled wrote:
As noted I never got past the "well his mom was this F'd up hippy leftist from the Midwest." Once mom-born in the US, then you're good full stop.

Actually, that is the interesting part. When he was born, that was not the case. A single mom had to have lived in the US for (I think) 10 years including at least (I think) 5 after she was 14. She had him when she was too young to have met that requirement when he was born IF he was indeed born overseas. A 1994 amendment which was retroactive back to (I think) 1934 changed that rule though, which would have retroactively granted him citizenship as of the time of his birth but there would have needed to be some paperwork done.

Of course all that assumes he was not born in Hawaii, an assumption I do not make.

http://www.americanlaw.com/citabrd.html

I looked this up a few weeks ago to rebut some ass hat claiming Obama was not a citizen, I did not re-read it today so any mistakes above are due to my piss poor memory and not intentional on my part.

**Pouncey**

tneva82 wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
This means that if Trump actually does have ten billion dollars like he says he does... yes, we CAN send Trump to Mars, AND make him pay for it!

Oh dear no! Imagine if there ARE Marsians! You want Trump to be on first contact situation?-)

"We are going to build a wall between earth and mars! And we'll make them pay for it!"

Sorry. Couldn't resist

Hmm... Well, that would suggest he'd think of building an indestructible barrier between the orbits of Earth and Mars. Eventually a sane human being would tell him that wouldn't work because you could always just go under or over it, because space is three-dimensional.

Eventually you'd realize that it would be way, WAY easier to just build a spherical wall around one planet or the other, like the Diamondillium barrier in the second Futurama movie.

**agnosto**

tneva82 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
The argument (I think) is that he was never actually born in the US. There could be other arguments as well. I'm not involved and its pretty out there. It evolves when you hit them with...facts, like any other nutjob conspiracy. I think in the real world the two big things that kicked were his name and his interesting life story pre-university. Some hep cat from Chicago he aint, which is what glommed onto. If he was from Chicago or his name was Berry Jackson, it could not have been seized on.

That's the arqument but what's the target? Let's assume they were right. What they are hoping to accomplish with it?

Only thing I can come up with is making his presidency illegal(maybe resulting in laws he set be automatically pulled back? Is that even possible?) but at that point we would have to come into conclusion that the part of US goverment that's responsible for making sure president meets legal requirements would have to be grossly incompetent. Not like they have to check thousands of peoples per year!

Sceptism toward goverment I can understand but this feels more than a wee bit too crazy sceptism

Someone hit on it earlier. The whole thing was an excuse by certain individuals to help paint him as "other", i.e. not "one of us" which made it easier for people to hate/oppose him so it became, "we're not doing this because you're black, we're doing it because you're not really American." So when the birth certificate was finally produced to shut them up, suddenly it wasn't the right birth certificate...and so on.

I'm with Frazz on this one; mom was American, he was born on American soil, the rest was just people trying to delegitimize his actions as President. It's like the whole ape comment by that mayor a month or so ago, there are some asininely backwards people in the US who apparently just want any excuse to make non-whites less. The good news is that we white people are on the cusp of being a minority so Trump is hopefully the angry white man's last hoorah.

**whembly**

Magister wrote:

Far more important than Obama's heritage: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-us-nuclear-arsenal-weapons-tweets-expansion-bolster-world-senses-twitter-a7490846.html

It's almost like he wants to spark another war...

What's the problem with that statement?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
EDIT: Hilarious:

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Someone incorrectly stated that the phrase "DRAIN THE SWAMP" was no longer being used by me. Actually, we will always be trying to DTS.
10:41 AM - 22 Dec 2016

I'm like... better call your office dude...

Then this:

Newt Gingrich ✔ @newtgingrich
I goofed. Draining the swamp is in, @realDonaldTrump is going to do it, and the alligators should be worried. #DTS http://bit.ly/2i5QMjZ
11:03 AM - 22 Dec 2016

It's going to be a fun 4-8 years.

**Frazzled**

That's the arqument but what's the target? Let's assume they were right. What they are hoping to accomplish with it?
***I truly have no idea.

Only thing I can come up with is making his presidency illegal(maybe resulting in laws he set be automatically pulled back? Is that even possible?) but at that point we would have to come into conclusion that the part of US goverment that's responsible for making sure president meets legal requirements would have to be grossly incompetent. Not like they have to check thousands of peoples per year!
***That is plausible, but it wouldn't work once he's sworn in.

Sceptism toward goverment I can understand but this feels more than a wee bit too crazy sceptism

***Yea you think? I'll be frank. I've run into several on the internetz who believed this stuff but they always seemed as Frazzled Sr. would say "crazier than a gak rat. "

**agnosto**

whembly wrote:
Magister wrote:

Far more important than Obama's heritage: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-us-nuclear-arsenal-weapons-tweets-expansion-bolster-world-senses-twitter-a7490846.html

It's almost like he wants to spark another war...

What's the problem with that statement?

Because we have roughly 1,750 operational nukes and it only takes 100 to cause a global ice age....

A 2014 report published in the journal Earth's Future found that even a regional war of 100 nuclear detonations would produce 5 teragrams of black soot (that's 5,000,000,000 kg!) that would rise up to Earth's stratosphere and block sunlight. This would produce a sudden drop in global temperatures that could last longer than 25 years and temporarily destroy much of the Earth's protective ozone layer. This could also cause as much as an 80% increase in UV radiation on Earth's surface and destroy both land and sea-based ecosystems, potentially leading to global nuclear famine.

**Frazzled**

Yea but that would counteract the global warming. An out of the box solution! BAM!*

*more like...BOOM

**agnosto**

Frazzled wrote:
Yea but that would counteract the global warming. An out of the box solution! BAM!*

*more like...BOOM

Touche'

He should change "drain the swamp" to "freeze the swamp."

**WrentheFaceless**

Frazzled wrote:
Yea but that would counteract the global warming. An out of the box solution! BAM!*

*more like...BOOM

I dont think a Nuclear Winter is the cure to global warming Fraz

As much as you want to ride the bomb down Yeehawing and waving your cowboy hat