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 Selym wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Jesus Christ! Just act like adults the pair of you and get on with the fething topic.

So do we actually have a conclusion on which is the weakest codex, or are we going nowhere?

Unfortunately, we need to start this thread over. With Traitors Hate just coming out, the CSM codex can't be far behind. Hopefully they move up a whole bunch of tiers.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yes, there's a poll, I suggest you check it out and use it as a basis for discussions rather than trying to establish which faction has the greatest number of dick players.

I mean, I try never to mini-mod, but you two are taking the piss.

 Selym wrote:
I like the number of people that have voted Tau and Eldar.

Shirley, you jest?

Already aware of the poll. There are, however, clearly a bunch of people who disagree.

If looking at the poll is all we need here, then why post at all?


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 JimOnMars wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Jesus Christ! Just act like adults the pair of you and get on with the fething topic.

So do we actually have a conclusion on which is the weakest codex, or are we going nowhere?

Unfortunately, we need to start this thread over. With Traitors Hate just coming out, the CSM codex can't be far behind. Hopefully they move up a whole bunch of tiers.

If TH is a supplement, we are not getting a codex.

 Selym wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yes, there's a poll, I suggest you check it out and use it as a basis for discussions rather than trying to establish which faction has the greatest number of dick players.

I mean, I try never to mini-mod, but you two are taking the piss.

 Selym wrote:
I like the number of people that have voted Tau and Eldar.

Shirley, you jest?

Already aware of the poll. There are, however, clearly a bunch of people who disagree.

If looking at the poll is all we need here, then why post at all?

Are you not familiar with what "a basis for discussion" might mean in this context?

Which faction has the most douchebags isn't it.

Nor is complaining about my responses.

This thread seems derailed enough. Tine to close it?

Or: post on topic or don't post?

But enoughs enough, I've reported you for off topic, I'm sure a passing mod will decide.

I reported me for derailment...

Don't worry guys, gals and whatever else people like to identify as nowadays, I, our saviour, SGTPozy shall return us to real discussion!

So, as we can all see, CSM *apparently* are the weakest but I for one disagree... Clearly Space Wolves are as only four people voted them, so they're so bad people haven't even considered voting for them as they're such a lost cause! All other voters are just whining about their own faction, myself included.

Anyone disagree?

SGTPozy wrote:
Don't worry guys, gals and whatever else people like to identify as nowadays, I, our saviour, SGTPozy shall return us to real discussion!

So, as we can all see, CSM *apparently* are the weakest but I for one disagree... Clearly Space Wolves are as only four people voted them, so they're so bad people haven't even considered voting for them as they're such a lost cause! All other voters are just whining about their own faction, myself included.

Anyone disagree?

Oh yeah, SW lack anything even remotely competitive. Worst codex by a mile

Rule #2 is Stay On Topic - so yes, please endeavor to do so.

Thanks!

Traitors Hate will be out in September with 7E love for Chaos Space Marines. If they get the same love Chaos Daemons did with the Incursion stuff, they'll be better off than they are now.

 adamsouza wrote:
Traitors Hate will be out in September with 7E love for Chaos Space Marines. If they get the same love Chaos Daemons did with the Incursion stuff, they'll be better off than they are now.

Everyone thought that might be the case with the updates to the CSM Supplements.. Yeah that didn't exactly end well.

But maybe with GW's new policies and overall changes CSM won't be left in the gutter at least.

Feh.

Space Wolf players wouldn't realise it if their army did suck, as long as they make melee they're cheering. Having an army that can make first turn charges is their idea of heaven.

I'm still wondering how anybody could believe that the weakest army is anything other than Tyranids, let alone an army with armour saves.

Because mcs are really good vs mid and lower tier codices.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Traitors Hate will be out in September with 7E love for Chaos Space Marines. If they get the same love Chaos Daemons did with the Incursion stuff, they'll be better off than they are now.

Everyone thought that might be the case with the updates to the CSM Supplements.. Yeah that didn't exactly end well.

Those were all 6E supplements though, right ?

6th edition supplements that were updated to 7th edition with Formations (but no decurion detachments).

I have a spinning hangover so its hard to tell, but so far in order the weakest armies as voted are:

#1 - CSM
#2 - Orks
#3 - Tyranids (?! - a mistake, surely?)
#4 - Adeptus Soritas

 master of ordinance wrote:
I have a spinning hangover so its hard to tell, but so far in order the weakest armies as voted are:

#1 - CSM
#2 - Orks
#3 - Tyranids (?! - a mistake, surely?)
#4 - Adeptus Soritas

Yup, and the best armies are:
#1Space Wolves joint with Imperial Knights.
#3 Cult Mechanicus
#4 Khorne Daemonkin

SW, CM and Daemonkin pale in comparison to Eldar...

 Selym wrote:
SW, CM and Daemonkin pale in comparison to Eldar...

That's your opinion. The poll says otherwise

Tbf, the poll is about what you think the weakest codex is. You can't really infer anything about the strongest one. Everything got at least one vote, so clearly not everyone was equally right.

And to be fair, all it needs is for a few people to be more vocal about one faction than another and you end up with a skewed poll.

 master of ordinance wrote:
I have a spinning hangover so its hard to tell, but so far in order the weakest armies as voted are:

#1 - CSM
#2 - Orks
#3 - Tyranids (?! - a mistake, surely?)
#4 - Adeptus Soritas

Why wouldn't you think nids are one of the worst armies?

Sure they have some decent units and formations, but they mostly an easily countered one trick pony.

They have what is literally the best hard counter to Scatter bikes and Warp Spiders with Mawlocs.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
They have what is literally the best hard counter to Scatter bikes and Warp Spiders with Mawlocs.

Yeah that depends on your idea of the usefulness of a mawloc.... A 4W T6 appearing in the middle of an army is not going to last long in the following shooting phase unless you place them near low quality/tarpit units.... You're basically paying 140 points for one, potentially two S6 AP2 pie plates.... and a distractionfex the next turn.

Orks are a pretty bad codex people don't realize how much fw makes them competitve with gunwagons, zhardsnark, and buzzgrob bigmek. Even the sole competitve codex varient in the greentide isn't as good as it use to be.

However dark eldar were bad before and got absolutely crushed in the latest faq.

 Baldeagle91 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
They have what is literally the best hard counter to Scatter bikes and Warp Spiders with Mawlocs.

Yeah that depends on your idea of the usefulness of a mawloc.... A 4W T6 appearing in the middle of an army is not going to last long in the following shooting phase unless you place them near low quality/tarpit units.... You're basically paying 140 points for one, potentially two S6 AP2 pie plates.... and a distractionfex the next turn.

Oh they won't be durable to either of them. You have to alpha strike with them and hope the Flyrants can clean up.

They're still an excellent hard counter to them. They just do super terrible against Tau and Necrons and Marines.

Just like any other pie plate, you know it's coming so space your guys.

Properly spaced, a mawloc is going to get maybe 3 bikes. Then it needs to not scatter. Because no one is going to leave their bikes next to a lictor.

That's if there isn't a ruin somewhere on the table the bikes can sit on top of. Mawlocs can't hit anything above the ground floor of a ruin.

Against other infantry, they are neutered by transports. S6 blasts aren't so great against vehicle side armour. Particularly with the 1/6 chance of dying to the following mishap.

They aren't as terrible as most of the tyranid codex, but are not in the same league as scatterbikes.

The only reason I rate Orks as worse then Tyranids is that we have nothing nearly as good as a Flyrant. And Orks and nids both rely on model spam and neither is a very useful tactic in our current edition.

So if we do see an updated CSM book this year, do you think it will just be more of a bridge between the 6th and 8th or will they just make it a straight up 7th update?

I would hate to think it is just a 7th update this late in the game.

 Vash108 wrote:
So if we do see an updated CSM book this year, do you think it will just be more of a bridge between the 6th and 8th or will they just make it a straight up 7th update?

I would hate to think it is just a 7th update this late in the game.

Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.