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 Melissia wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I am just being realistic.

So am I-- my hyperbole earlier was done partially in jest. The fact is, though, there's just nothing that really matches Sisters as far as a combination of lore and gameplay goes.

Poe's law is a cruel mistress.

In fact, I'm actually okay with Marines having tons of codices for their variants.

What I'm ultimately not okay with is them being the ONLY ones who do.

I'm curious why someone would be against getting more bang for their buck in a single book? It obviously won't happen because GW is chasing money and not value. The list of books/codices/etc. available for 7th edition is borderline absurd...and almost none of it is necessary.

Look back at the 2nd ed. codices. The Chaos codex included full army lists for Chaos Marines, Daemons and Cultists...the Tyranid book included Nids and Genestealer Cult. The Eldar book included Harlequins (and all of their fancy rules). The current books are already scant on text and heavy on pictures while being pretty damn expensive.

If you think a new Sisters codex would be worth $50+ whatever they want to charge, by all means...you're welcome to it.

Because GW will ramp up the price and I pay more for the same.

Sure, it's just a pipe dream. I don't think anybody puts forth actual ideas with any vague hope that GW would do it. I don't see GW backing off their current business model. I'm simply stating that their current business model sucks for customers.

 Elbows wrote:
I'm curious why someone would be against getting more bang for their buck in a single book?

Because you're not getting 'bang for your buck' if you don't want what you're buying. I'm sure the guy who wants arbite troops lead by an inquisitor flanked by dreadknights and exorcists would love such a book, but if I'm going in to play sisters I want a book that has more than one option in any given category. If my entire army is only a fraction of the choices available in the book I purchased for full price (whatever that price may be) that's money wasted.

Moreover, I'm not in this hobby because I found a box of space marines in a bargain bin. I want GW to recognize the market value of their product, I want them to believe in their product enough to support it, because I know it aligns with my interests, and I know I'm not the only one out there.

 Elbows wrote:
I'm curious why someone would be against getting more bang for their buck in a single book?

Because shoving everything in to one book will ultimately destroy the uniqueness of each individual part crammed in. If GW can't even manage to get their beloved SpehssMuhreenz-- half a dozen factions that are pretty much identical with only a few minor differences in my eyes-- in one book without feeling the need to expand on them with new codices, how the hell could they get half a dozen far more wildly disparate factions in without them being equally lame?

I don't want that kind of crap shoveled out. I want GW to put some fething effort in to it instead. And, inevitably with GW, if you have half a dozen factions crammed in one book, none of them will get the justice they deserve.

Yet, strangely enough, Forgeworld has managed to accomplish it. But, as you say, effort is required, which is something that Forgeworld does that GW doesn't.

Are you referring to 30k?


I'd like to point out that all of those armies are Marines, so they're all pretty similar to begin with, unlike Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Arbites, Inquisition, and the other Misc. Imperial Forces.

Plastic Sisters are an dream that many of us would love to see. I know that I would happily run them along side my Guard, but at the wonderful price of £50+ a squad GW can feth right off.
However GW will not make plastic sisters while they can churn out yet more space marine on space marine p**n for space marine fans.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Plastic Sisters are an dream that many of us would love to see. I know that I would happily run them along side my Guard, but at the wonderful price of £50+ a squad GW can feth right off.
However GW will not make plastic sisters while they can churn out yet more space marine on space marine p**n for space marine fans.

And in the Meantime im just hunting Bitz sites for Female DE Kabalite Chestpieces and Legs

That+Greenstuff would probably work out cheaper than GWs Pricing for Outdated Metal Models
(And if it works out extra, having multipose models compared to GWs Static models is well worth the price)

Hey, with those knock-off SOBs from russia, will the guys responsible be able to sue GW for infringement, when they release new plastic SoBs?

 Melissia wrote:
The point is, though-- there's nothing in 40k that has the same fluff or playstyle as Sisters do.

Are you trying to contend there's no army in 40k that uses power armor, bolters, meltas, flamers, and rhinos? I can think of one for sure...

I have a friend who plays Sisters, and I find their play style to be sufficiently different from Marines to warrant their place in the game and to be interesting. Particularly if you factor in Repressors. Plus, GW really needs to step up their female representation in 40K to catch up with the demographic curve.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
The point is, though-- there's nothing in 40k that has the same fluff or playstyle as Sisters do.

Are you trying to contend there's no army in 40k that uses power armor, bolters, meltas, flamers, and rhinos? I can think of one for sure...

Space Marines don't have to build their force with the near-total lack of anything else.

Other than bolters, flamers, meltas, rhinos and an assortment of power weapons equalled by the Imperial Guard (IG have power fists, SoB have eviscerators, otherwise there's not much difference) the Sisters of Battle have the Exorcist and... that's about it.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
The point is, though-- there's nothing in 40k that has the same fluff or playstyle as Sisters do.

Are you trying to contend there's no army in 40k that uses power armor, bolters, meltas, flamers, and rhinos? I can think of one for sure...

I hope the one you're thinking of isn't Space Marines, because the last 20 games I've played against SM has been grav, grav, grav, grav, grav and grav.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
The point is, though-- there's nothing in 40k that has the same fluff or playstyle as Sisters do.

Are you trying to contend there's no army in 40k that uses power armor, bolters, meltas, flamers, and rhinos? I can think of one for sure...

Are you trying to tell me that there's another army in 40k that consists of all-women non-astartes soldiers in power armor, who have a strong non-military section (that does everything from manage Imperial politics, provide hospitals, and keep track of ancient knowledge and relics), who are actually able to regulate and go toe to toe with both the Inquisition and the Astartes on both a military and a political level?

Because if such a thing exists, that would be pretty weird that I didn't find out about it sooner.

Oh wait I'm sorry they don't exist and you're full of crap. Sisters of Battle have long since carved out a gameplay and lore niche that is more than your accusation of them being female Space Marines. In fact, the fact that they AREN'T Space Marines is one of the biggest draws for quite a few people. They are mere human beings, given some of the best training and wargear in the galaxy. And yet, through faith, training, and firepower, they move mountains, and conquer worlds, standing toe to toe with the best that any other Imperial, Xeno, or Heretic faction in the galaxy.

 Melissia wrote:
They are mere human beings, given some of the best training and wargear in the galaxy. And yet, through faith, training, and firepower, they move mountains, and conquer worlds, standing toe to toe with the best that any other Imperial, Xeno, or Heretic faction in the galaxy.

And the Guard do the same things, but without the training or equipment. If we're trying to find the heroic every-man in 40k, he or she still wears a flak vest.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
And the Guard do the same things, but without the training or equipment. If we're trying to find the heroic every-man in 40k, he or she still wears a flak vest.

There's room in 40k for more than the two extremes of "weak grunts thrown en masse in the hope that their viscera will clog the enemy's treads" and "super-badass ultramutant demigods who are totally better than everyone else". Sisters are very good at filling that middle ground. And not everyone who is more elite than a guardsman needs to be wearing paper mache and wielding a glorified flashlight.

I'm very tempted by the Russian resins - I'd use them as Celestians I reckon. Or maybe just go "argh why not" and get myself that big 20 woman squad with storm bolters to sit on an objective and giggle as they Act of Faith their way to glory and victory, helped by a friendly Priest.

I really hope that plastic SoB happen before I hit my 40th birthday (I'm 30 this year). I would spend all my money on them.

 Melissia wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
And the Guard do the same things, but without the training or equipment. If we're trying to find the heroic every-man in 40k, he or she still wears a flak vest.

There's room in 40k for more than the two extremes of "weak grunts thrown en masse in the hope that their viscera will clog the enemy's treads" and "super-badass ultramutant demigods who are totally better than everyone else". Sisters are very good at filling that middle ground. And not everyone who is more elite than a guardsman needs to be wearing paper mache and wielding a glorified flashlight.

Like those guys who are older than SoB don't?

I don't care that you want your special, snow-flake army to keep existing. I want the same thing for mine. But making baseless claims about how nothing at all in 40k is like SoB doesn't help your case.

SoB are not that different than many other armies along any axis of character except for being a miniature range of mostly human ladies (it's not even all ladies).

SoBs aren't like the Militarum Tempestus. The Acts of Faith makes them play considerably differently. Nice try, DarknessEternal, but a near miss.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Like those guys who are older than SoB

Excuse me, I'm going to be over here laughing and not taking you seriously because you honestly believe that crap you just posted.

Regardless, your anti-Sororitas screed has been amusing, but ultimately only goes to show that you don't really know much about 40k.

Of course sister is an option. They need release some stuff to make time to finish a new edition....and launch the new chaos space marines as test codex xD. If they release the new chaos space marines codex before the new expansion it could be decent....GW cant allow that xD

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
SoBs aren't like the Militarum Tempestus. The Acts of Faith makes them play considerably differently. Nice try, DarknessEternal, but a near miss.

Now that we have Chapter Tactic doctrines, Doctrina Imperatives, Mission Tactics, IG Orders and Canticles of the Omnissiah, it's tougher than ever to see anything unique or interesting about the Sisters.

Real News wrote:
Now that we have Chapter Tactic doctrines, Doctrina Imperatives, Mission Tactics, IG Orders and Canticles of the Omnissiah, it's tougher than ever to see anything unique or interesting about the Sisters.

When you allow a faction to go unsupported with no new material for over 13 years, it tends to not look as exciting as things which get updated almost yearly. However, there is a core concept within the Sisters of Battle and their gameplay that is still different than any of those.

 Melissia wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Like those guys who are older than SoB

Excuse me, I'm going to be over here laughing and not taking you seriously because you honestly believe that crap you just posted.

Regardless, your anti-Sororitas screed has been amusing, but ultimately only goes to show that you don't really know much about 40k.

If they mean that IG Stormtroopers have been around before the Sororitas chronologically, then since Sororitas were created about 5,000 years ago and Stormtroopers more like 10,000 years, then yes, they are actually correct.

However, that's probably not what they meant, and I remember when IG Stormtroopers (now called Militarum Tempestus) were ONLY an Elites option in the IG Codex you could take at most 30 of in any non-Apocalypse game instead of them being a seriously distinct faction with their own unique Codex (obligatory grumble about Tempestus getting a hard copy codex for two units, an HQ choice, and two extremely similar vehicles, with the HQ choice being the only option actually not available in the IG Codex but the model being a perfect stand-in for a regular Commissar), so my opinion is that they can take their Tempestus and shove it.

Real News wrote:

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
SoBs aren't like the Militarum Tempestus. The Acts of Faith makes them play considerably differently. Nice try, DarknessEternal, but a near miss.

Now that we have Chapter Tactic doctrines, Doctrina Imperatives, Mission Tactics, IG Orders and Canticles of the Omnissiah, it's tougher than ever to see anything unique or interesting about the Sisters.

New can be good, great or exciting new models equally so. Why would Adepta Sororitas "Order Disciplines" not be as effective and interssting as the above?

Then you have the self mockery that the Space Wolves range has become.... lets hope we never get the Santa Logan and Sleigh equivalent for Sisters.

There is not a single reson that if GW wanted they could not make awesome Sisters models. They just have to want to make something other than Marines for 40k.

I was assuming he meant chronologically released. Militarium Tempestus came after Sisters as far as Games Workshop releases go-- Sisters have been in the lore from 1st edition, so it's literally impossible for them to not be older than a 6th edition codex, and even stormtroopers themselves IIRC were introduced in second (there were some minis that COULD be said to be stormtroopers in 1st I suppose).

 Mr Morden wrote:

Real News wrote:

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
SoBs aren't like the Militarum Tempestus. The Acts of Faith makes them play considerably differently. Nice try, DarknessEternal, but a near miss.

Now that we have Chapter Tactic doctrines, Doctrina Imperatives, Mission Tactics, IG Orders and Canticles of the Omnissiah, it's tougher than ever to see anything unique or interesting about the Sisters.

New can be good, great or exciting new models equally so. Why would Adepta Sororitas "Order Disciplines" not be as effective and interssting as the above?

Then you have the self mockery that the Space Wolves range has become.... lets hope we never get the Santa Logan and Sleigh equivalent for Sisters.

There is not a single reson that if GW wanted they could not make awesome Sisters models. They just have to want to make something other than Marines for 40k.

Idea. The Sororitas Lord of War tank could have its primary weapon be a Vulcan Mega-bolter.

Tell me you couldn't see the Sororitas gleefully using that weapon to slaughter heretics as making anything other than perfect sense. I dare you.