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I think deathwatch armies will always be outnumbered, so target priority and table awareness are key factors in successfully using them.

Has the FAQ ruled that a unit with a relentless model can actually declare charges if it rapid fires? Would make taking bikes mandatory for the ability to unload bolters into one unit, split off a pistol elsewhere then chew that unit up in melee.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I think deathwatch armies will always be outnumbered, so target priority and table awareness are key factors in successfully using them.

Has the FAQ ruled that a unit with a relentless model can actually declare charges if it rapid fires? Would make taking bikes mandatory for the ability to unload bolters into one unit, split off a pistol elsewhere then chew that unit up in melee.

Relentless only affects the model.
Slow and purposeful affects the unit.

Still waiting on them to confirm the Bolter/Shotgun debate.

Just panned through the FAQs and nothing like I thought was in there. Even more reason to give assaulting kill teams shotguns.

 Selym wrote:
Veteran with BS and HTH costs 67 points. From a practicality standpoint, he's a liability. From a coolness perspective YAAAAAAAAAAY!

The Black Shield cannot have HTH. It's for veterans only, he's not a veteran.

(YMDC thread on the subject: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/699469.page)

Characters in the command slots do not get the reroll to wound from doctrines of whichever kill team they join with. Bummer. Hoping that gets an errata.

Nah, I think they were very careful with the wording on purpose to limit the ability of cross unit shenanigans happening.

I want rerolls on my relic blades man.

 Crimson wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Veteran with BS and HTH costs 67 points. From a practicality standpoint, he's a liability. From a coolness perspective YAAAAAAAAAAY!

The Black Shield cannot have HTH. It's for veterans only, he's not a veteran.

(YMDC thread on the subject: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/699469.page)

 Leth wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Leth wrote:
In regards to the swapping of equipment I always go with the interpretation that if there is no stated order of operations then you can do which ever.

If it does not say that you have to upgrade to a blackshield first then you can swap to a thunderhammer and then change to a black shield.

Then for things like terminators where you are required to swap specific gear if you do weapon swaps before hand then you no longer meet the requirements.

So on and so forth.

That's how I thought it was.

The SM FAQ says that we can't do that though.

What do you mean? It specifically says the opposite. You can buy stuff then upgrade.

Spoiler:

Seemed the sensible thing to do. I was on the side of not allowing it, but tbh the rules never have an order of operation.

I believe that Apothecary image was a typo, IIRC. The actual text said no.

However, I could be wrong.

Edit: Disregard. I am wrong.

Double disregard. I am correct.

Cephalobeard wrote:
I believe that Apothecary image was a typo, IIRC. The actual text said no.

However, I could be wrong.

Edit: Disregard. I am wrong.

No you're not:

nekooni wrote:
They just FAQ'd the FAQ for the Apothecary stuff in the comments

Hey Folks,
Whoops, we got one wrong there.
The last questions on this page, the answer should be “no”.

Please refrain from cutting all the arms of your Apothecaries, they need them for their Nartheciums.

Q: Is it possible for an Apothecary to carry items from the Special Weapons and/or Melee Weapons lists (e.g. by a Veteran purchasing upgrades, and being subsequently upgraded to an Apothecary)?
A: No.

Selym's Black Shields are gonna need a retcon! (Yes I'm saying this because I saw your comment in the YMDC thread )

Hardly massive. I found an extra Frag Cannon online, so he's getting that.

Fluff + Gameplay synergy... *shudder*

There are so many little oddities that models don't have access to in this codex. The black shield special rule is way strong if it could be used with the HTH, but at the same time, why would someone who has devoted his life to the DW not know how to use a DW-exclusive weapon?

For the same reason GW Told me on facebook you can't do Bolters/Shotguns because you need to replace the Bolter for a shotgun, despite being able to take a bolter instead of a CCW.

Consistency. /s

Mine have shotties already


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And yeah im using recon marines as stalker bolters as feth only having 1 a pack -_-

I need to know what those Helmets are.

30k dark angel helmets, 30k recon marine shotguns and sector imperalis bases

Ill try take so close ups for you but my phone is famedddd for being at focusing in..

Best it will do..

 Crimson wrote:

Cephalobeard wrote:
I believe that Apothecary image was a typo, IIRC. The actual text said no.

However, I could be wrong.

Edit: Disregard. I am wrong.

No you're not:

nekooni wrote:
They just FAQ'd the FAQ for the Apothecary stuff in the comments

Hey Folks,
Whoops, we got one wrong there.
The last questions on this page, the answer should be “no”.

Please refrain from cutting all the arms of your Apothecaries, they need them for their Nartheciums.

Q: Is it possible for an Apothecary to carry items from the Special Weapons and/or Melee Weapons lists (e.g. by a Veteran purchasing upgrades, and being subsequently upgraded to an Apothecary)?
A: No.

Well shoot, glad they are drafts. Hope they get them up soon because a LOT of precedents are being set in these FAQS. At least with deathwatch veterans they clarified any model. I should go back and check for other unit entries in past books to see if this is unique.

 Leth wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Cephalobeard wrote:
I believe that Apothecary image was a typo, IIRC. The actual text said no.

However, I could be wrong.

Edit: Disregard. I am wrong.

No you're not:

nekooni wrote:
They just FAQ'd the FAQ for the Apothecary stuff in the comments

Hey Folks,
Whoops, we got one wrong there.
The last questions on this page, the answer should be “no”.

Please refrain from cutting all the arms of your Apothecaries, they need them for their Nartheciums.

Q: Is it possible for an Apothecary to carry items from the Special Weapons and/or Melee Weapons lists (e.g. by a Veteran purchasing upgrades, and being subsequently upgraded to an Apothecary)?
A: No.

Well shoot, glad they are drafts. Hope they get them up soon because a LOT of precedents are being set in these FAQS. At present this means that an apothecary, a blackshield, and many other similar unit upgrades cant take any equipment.

No, Black Shields can still take equipment that "any model" may take. They're just excluded from a few choices that are specifically for "Veterans"

Anyone else modified there artemis? His little sword really bugged me so i swapped it for a 30k one and i have a hatred for unhelmeted heads.. so he got a helmet

Yep, just caught that when I went back. Will need to look at other units to see if it matters for them. I think it is a matter of some entries saying veterans(then a veteran sgt cant take them) or any models etc.

They are getting much better about their wording so it will be interesting to see how the precedents in the FAQ will work their way into future wording.

Also I am totally gonna use Artemis as the base for another captain as well as one for him as himself. I am thinking I might do an arm swap since I want a different, longer, sword and so will have to see.

Eitherway if I get 3-4 of him I will find a use lol, he is the type of model and pose I would enjoy making into a similar CMD squad or as my black shields.

 deffrekka wrote:
Anyone else modified there artemis? His little sword really bugged me so i swapped it for a 30k one and i have a hatred for unhelmeted heads.. so he got a helmet

Yeah once mine finally gets here...he will be getting a helmet. I'd be shocked if the majority of players like marines without helmets.

All my marines even in 30k have helmets haha! :p

What about for a combat squad you do 5 vets with storm shields, watch sergeant has a xenophase blade, then sprinkle in some vanguard vets to get the the cheaper power weapons and throw in the odd HTH, kinda like a phalanx, shields at the front, weapons at the back, add in a chappie *strat kill team* and its a beat stick squad, granted, an expensive one.

I'm definitely gonna give him a helmet. I'll probably keep the sword, just because, well, it's *his* sword. I'm a believer in personal property

As for having to get all these extra bits for multiples of weapons, I'm gonna try out the Thunder Gun from Kromlech for Frag Cannons. It might be a bit small but as long as it's what is on every model with a "Frag Cannon" I should be good. It'll be identifiable, even if it takes an opponent a little bit to recognize. Plus I figure the situation will just be them looking at the squad, forgetting what the gun is, asking, and me telling them it's a frag cannon. I also got some shoulder pads from them to play around with some of my DW being from custom successor chapters. Just gotta play the waiting game for stuff to come in.

In the meantime, I'm finally putting my BaC stuff together, going to use the Mk IV as the basis of a lot of my DW.

Could even ally in a ravenwing strike force with black knights modelled like death watch bikers to throw stasis nades around to allow our guys to strike first?


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Im guilty of splashing out £20 on 5 frag cannons from bits and kitz.. as that gives me 8 with my 3 death masque sets

I really wanna use the infernus heavy bolter but each time i look at it the frag cannon just beats it for 5pts more... :/

 deffrekka wrote:
Could even ally in a ravenwing strike force with black knights modelled like death watch bikers to throw stasis nades around to allow our guys to strike first?


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Im guilty of splashing out £20 on 5 frag cannons from bits and kitz.. as that gives me 8 with my 3 death masque sets

I really wanna use the infernus heavy bolter but each time i look at it the frag cannon just beats it for 5pts more... :/

Yeah it really makes you scratch your head. The only time you should use an infernus is if you don't have a frag cannon bit to model and you really want a special weapon. I don't mean this to be insulting to them, sincerely I don't, but I wonder how the hell they come up with point values.

Can someone explain the appeal of the xenophase sword to me? I just don't see it as particularly good weapon.

 Crimson wrote:
Can someone explain the appeal of the xenophase sword to me? I just don't see it as particularly good weapon.

It's for when you wanna phase out the xenos. For real though, you're right, it doesn't seem particularly good to me. Just decent. It's a power sword with a bonus that may or may not ever matter that much.