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So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.

Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.

English please?

Do you speak it or can you make your point salient for those that havent read DM?

pm713 wrote:

You can't call the church heretics and expect me to take you seriously.

Who is heretical depends on who is in power. To the Temple of the Saviour Emperor, the Confederation of Light were heretics. The history of the Imperium is littered with self styled prophets and failed religious rebellions. What makes the Confederation different is they won, so they got to write the history.

The "Temple Tendency" (i.e. those remnants of the Temple that survived the Age of Apostacy) view the Ecclesiarchy as heretics still and the Imperium as having been led astray for the last few thousand years. If the Temple ever got back into power, then yes the SoB would have been serving heretics.

It all depends on your point of view.

 oldzoggy wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
This sounds like a proper beginning of a campaign to me.
Gw is not likely to give a happy ending in part 1 of the adventure. Eldrad likes to plot ahead on multiple roads, and isn't above sacrificing and betraying others to reach his goal. So could we really have expected the ritual to turn out any better on the short term ?

Considering the rumored timeline advance and new edition is somewhere in 2017, I expect there will be more kind of dramatic hyped buildup in the months to come.

In the book Valedor and the Iyanden supplement, there was quite a bit about a possible positive future or resurgence of the Eldar, which was surprising given the general doom and gloom grimdark focus in recent years. Given the RL considerations of continuing the 40K product line, obviously the Eldar cannot curbstomp everyone in the galaxy. Thematically the sense I get from AoS is "brightdark", in that there are pinpoints of brightness in the general grimdark. I wonder whether GW is sending 40K down that same thematic path, as opposed to everything being grimdark all the time everywhere.

Brightdark might suit some players better. A large portion of the players don't like to play the bad guy in a gloomy apocalyptic setting. Enabling them to play the good guys with promising goals might just be one of the things gw needs.

As long as they're a big enough majority to sustain the company as they recruit new customers when the people who actually like 40K slow down or stop their purchases.

I always find it odd that there are so many people who evidently consider the fluff for games important, but are seemingly playing a game with fluff they don't like. And don't give me any nonsense, if you want to change the core thematic and tonal elements of a setting, you didn't really like it that much at all.

pm713 wrote:

Again we come to a choice. A. Wipe out roughly a quarter of the greatest enemy.
B. Take out a small group and god of a race that doesn't actively seek to wipe out humanity and directly aid Chaos.

In other words: A is the one where you potentially save Humanity. B. is where you help your greatest enemy. Artemis chose B like an idiot.

He's a Space Marine. Even while specialising against a certain type of threat his job is defending the Imperium. He failed massively.

The Eldar gave Artemis two choices.
A. Don't shoot me good sir, I promise that what we're doing will hurt Chaos! You can trust me!
B. Shoot me

That's really no option at all, especially given that Eldar have a tendency to decieve.
So obviously Artemis chose B.

 Yodhrin wrote:


I always find it odd that there are so many people who evidently consider the fluff for games important, but are seemingly playing a game with fluff they don't like. And don't give me any nonsense, if you want to change the core thematic and tonal elements of a setting, you didn't really like it that much at all.

I would argue it hasn't been really grimdark for awhile now since it seems the Imperium/Marines always seem to come out on top (or at least stabilize the situation), despite maybe a few token defeats in the timeline that don't seem to change much of anything. The Marines in the recent fluff have come off as the shiny paladin knights (i.e. Stormcast). The BL stuff has certainly played into this concept with making Marines be more human like stereotypical movie square jawed action heroes. Although GW recites off "The Imperium is falling" every so often, it hardly seems that way when the Marines keep saving the day. I mean, just look at the level of wailing, denial, and frothing at the mouth by Imperial fanatic players that occurred with the old Eye of Terror worldwide campaign when the Imperium actually lost.

Suppose you opened an ancient tome about the harlequins as an Xenos Inquisitor and you stumbled upon the following reference: "An individual claiming to work for the eldar sorcerer Eldrad, somehow managed to open a web way portal to terra and nearly succeeded into reaching the golden throne. Only with the combined power of the custodians, warhound titans and inquisitorial agents could she be stopped, but not before murdering, any human resistance outside the palace walls and tens of custodians."

Would this be worth remembering and or replicating into later tomes ?And would this something worth mentioning when you trained your personal xenos extermination team.


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An other thing to notice is that that book isn't an obscure book published in the 1980's it is published this may and thus only a few months old.
Making it quite relevant.

Animus wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Again we come to a choice. A. Wipe out roughly a quarter of the greatest enemy.
B. Take out a small group and god of a race that doesn't actively seek to wipe out humanity and directly aid Chaos.

In other words: A is the one where you potentially save Humanity. B. is where you help your greatest enemy. Artemis chose B like an idiot.

He's a Space Marine. Even while specialising against a certain type of threat his job is defending the Imperium. He failed massively.

The Eldar gave Artemis two choices.
A. Don't shoot me good sir, I promise that what we're doing will hurt Chaos! You can trust me!
B. Shoot me

That's really no option at all, especially given that Eldar have a tendency to decieve.
So obviously Artemis chose B.

The Eldar who almost exclusively fights Chaos and was actually being believed.

You're right there is a clear choice and that's the choice where you cripple Chaos.


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 oldzoggy wrote:
Suppose you opened an ancient tome about the harlequins as an Xenos Inquisitor and you stumbled upon the following reference: "An individual claiming to work for the eldar sorcerer Eldrad, somehow managed to open a web way portal to terra and nearly succeeded into reaching the golden throne. Only with the combined power of the custodians, warhound titans and inquisitorial agents could she be stopped, but not before murdering, any human resistance outside the palace walls and tens of custodians."

Would this be worth remembering and or replicating into later tomes ?And would this something worth mentioning when you trained your personal xenos extermination team.


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An other thing to notice is that that book isn't an obscure book published in the 1980's it is published this may and thus only a few months old.
Making it quite relevant.

Would this be mentioned in the same sentence as the many times Eldrad fights Chaos and destroys Chaos artifacts? Or are we cherry picking things?

Another thing to note is that the date the book was written is irrelevant. The book still deals with events 8'000 years ago in universe.

pm713 wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Artemis is unbelievably stupid. To the point where I can't understand why he's a Captain as he is just like Angron based on that....

No he isnt. Not trusting Alien sorcerers and especially not letting them bring a power into existence is a good thing to do when your job is to kill the alien.

I'd agree if he wasn't a member of the Deathwatch. He knows they were going to hurt Slaanesh, he knew the Harlequin wasn't lying and he knows that Harlequins are primarily fighting Chaos. He traded a major blow against the biggest enemy the Imperium has to harm a race that realistically aren't anywhere near as much of a threat as Chaos. His job is protecting the Imperium and he is very bad at it.

His job is to protect the Imperium from xenos.
Letting a race of xenos who would sacrifice a billion human lives to save 1 of their own summon a god does not seem like it's in the best interests of humanity.

Even if Slaanesh did get destroyed by Ynnead, the Imperium still has 4 enemy gods...

Again we come to a choice. A. Wipe out roughly a quarter of the greatest enemy.
B. Take out a small group and god of a race that doesn't actively seek to wipe out humanity and directly aid Chaos.

In other words: A is the one where you potentially save Humanity. B. is where you help your greatest enemy. Artemis chose B like an idiot.

He's a Space Marine. Even while specialising against a certain type of threat his job is defending the Imperium. He failed massively.

I disagree with your options there.
I see it more like
A. Let the scheming aliens do *something* which *supposedly* will do damage to Chaos, with no evidence that it will even be an act against Chaos or that it will work in the slightest.
B. Don't let the scheming aliens do the thing which may, in fact, be a direct act against humanity.

From the Imperium's perspective, there's not many upsides for Ynnead awakening. If it works, one god is defeated and a new one takes its place. That's just a trade. The Imperium gains NOTHING. What if it fails, but Ynnead isn't destroyed? Now there are FIVE gods to deal with! That's a LOSS for the Imperium.
The most beneficial outcomes for the Imperium are:
1) Ynnead is stopped from awakening. Status quo remains.
2) Ynnead is awakened, but destroyed. Status quo remains.
edit: 3) Ynnead is awakened, but is destroyed as it destroys Slaanesh. This outcome is worth it, I guess, but I wouldn't bank on it if I were the Imperium...

Artemis did his job and he did it well enough. The fact that Ynnead may yet remain as shards is regrettable, but Artemis did his best for the Imperium.

Iracundus wrote:

I would argue it hasn't been really grimdark for awhile now since it seems the Imperium/Marines always seem to come out on top (or at least stabilize the situation), despite maybe a few token defeats in the timeline that don't seem to change much of anything. .

You can have a agrimdark setting with heroes that always win. ; )
Allmost all RPG's and Movies are build like this. Mad Max never loses, batman never dies and the Governor didn't really have a chance in the walking dead.
Space marines can't really lose until they decide to shoot down the game. GW needs them just as the Batman movie imperium need Batman.
The best thing we can get and expect is a "grownup" version of the never ending story

pm713 wrote:

The Eldar who almost exclusively fights Chaos and was actually being believed.

You're right there is a clear choice and that's the choice where you cripple Chaos.

Almost is not good enough to be perfectly honest.
The Eldar gave zero reasons for Artemis to trust him and plenty of reason not to trust him in that Eldar were planetside and slaughtering humans.

pm713 wrote:

Would this be mentioned in the same sentence as the many times Eldrad fights Chaos and destroys Chaos artifacts? Or are we cherry picking things?

How many times is this actually witnessed by the Inquisiton, and does destroying some chaos actually counterbalance nearly succeeding in assassinating the emperor for those who are tasked with keeping the empire safe from xenos?

Another thing to note is that the date the book was written is irrelevant. The book still deals with events 8'000 years ago in universe.

It does quite a lot outside the game world. This book is fresh in the memory of many players. you might even say that the plot line almost directly continues.

 oldzoggy wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

I would argue it hasn't been really grimdark for awhile now since it seems the Imperium/Marines always seem to come out on top (or at least stabilize the situation), despite maybe a few token defeats in the timeline that don't seem to change much of anything. .

You can have a agrimdark setting with heroes that always win. ; )
Allmost all RPG's and Movies are build like this. Mad Max never loses, batman never dies and the Governor didn't really have a chance in the walking dead.
Space marines can't really lose until they decide to shoot down the game. GW needs them just as the Batman movie imperium need Batman.
The best thing we can get and expect is a "grownup" version of the never ending story

I would disagree. There are plenty of works where it ends on a dark note, or where the hero wins but has had to make a real sacrifice to do so. Sure often Hollywood blockbusters play to the simple story dynamic, but there are more things out there than just Hollywood. When was the last time we saw Marines losing and having to say cope psychologically and/or materially with losing? Or something involving real sacrifice (i.e. that is not made good or cancelled out in the future)? Losing or sacrificing does not necessarily mean death btw.

That is why even superheroes have moved to becoming less 2-D cardboard cutouts over the years and decades. It is boring when there is no suspense, and when you know Superman will always win the day, and the bad guy goes off twirling his moustache swearing vengeance.

pm713 wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Artemis is unbelievably stupid. To the point where I can't understand why he's a Captain as he is just like Angron based on that....

No he isnt. Not trusting Alien sorcerers and especially not letting them bring a power into existence is a good thing to do when your job is to kill the alien.

I'd agree if he wasn't a member of the Deathwatch. He knows they were going to hurt Slaanesh, he knew the Harlequin wasn't lying and he knows that Harlequins are primarily fighting Chaos. He traded a major blow against the biggest enemy the Imperium has to harm a race that realistically aren't anywhere near as much of a threat as Chaos. His job is protecting the Imperium and he is very bad at it.

His job is protecting the Imperium from aliens. If the Eldar successfully destroyed Slaanesh, that power gap would be filled by the Eldar themselves as their species would see a resurgence. The Inquisition, specifically the Ordo Xenos, may see it as more advantageous to basically maintain the status quo.

All of the inhabitants of the Infinity circuits "lent a measure of their sentience" to the ritual. So they may be weakened, but are not gone.

I'm on the side of Artemis on this one. The last time a god was brought into existence through the work of the Eldar, it was Slaanesh, and created the Eye of Terror. What would the birth of even a benevolent god do to the fabric of space and the warp?

This is...way more disappointing then I feared. I had low expectations but this is incredibly bad.

I think I'll have to just focus on playing and painting, if even all the Eldar's best focusing on a super-desperate plan can be destroyed by a Death Watch Captain we barely know anything about I have no more feeling of suspense.

EDIT: This is exactly what I meant when I said a story becomes boring when I can 8 times out of 10 successfully guess which faction is going to win before I even read the book.

 Anemone wrote:
This is...way more disappointing then I feared. I had low expectations but this is incredibly bad.

I think I'll have to just focus on playing and painting, if even all the Eldar's best focusing on a super-desperate plan can be destroyed by a Death Watch Captain we barely know anything about I have no more feeling of suspense.

EDIT: This is exactly what I meant when I said a story becomes boring when I can 8 times out of 10 successfully guess which faction is going to win before I even read the book.

I feel that this might be a bit over the top given that we have little to no idea what the implications of this will be yet. Heck, it doesn't even say that all the souls are "gone", just that every Eldar that had lived since the Fall gave "something".

I don't get the complaints, Eldar screw over humanity yearly, lie about their motives, and try to put their own kind over others. I can't believe the Imperium doesn't trust them!

Why should they feel bad? Artemis did his job. The Imperium has proven time and time again, they WILL work with xenos if they approach them on equal footing. They've done it with Eldar, Tau, other minor xenos. Eldrad literally ATTACKED AN IMPERIUM PLANET, why didn't he approach the Imperium with the offer to kill She Who Thirsts? Because he knew it would screw the Imperium over in some fashion.

Eldrad literally gambled it all on a prophecy and lost, boohoo. It isn't like they have a good track record with gods anyway...

krakentendrilswarm wrote:

 Anemone wrote:
This is...way more disappointing then I feared. I had low expectations but this is incredibly bad.

I think I'll have to just focus on playing and painting, if even all the Eldar's best focusing on a super-desperate plan can be destroyed by a Death Watch Captain we barely know anything about I have no more feeling of suspense.

EDIT: This is exactly what I meant when I said a story becomes boring when I can 8 times out of 10 successfully guess which faction is going to win before I even read the book.

I feel that this might be a bit over the top given that we have little to no idea what the implications of this will be yet. Heck, it doesn't even say that all the souls are "gone", just that every Eldar that had lived since the Fall gave "something".

Pardon my overreaction but I doubt many players would be happy if Logan Grimnar, Dante or Ghazghkull engaged in desperate gambles of impossible odds fighting a virtual non-character and...just failed completely.

We'll see what happens, I doubt it will be good for the Craftworld Eldar since I cannot remember the last time there was something majorly good fort hem in the fluff, but I stand by what I've said; A war story is boring to me if I can guess the victor with almost absolute certainty every time. And its almost always the same person. That makes the fluff boring and uninteresting to me.

My problem isn't why Captain Thingy did what he did, it's that he was able to to it at all in the first place.

They've built up Ynnead as this big, positive thing for the Eldar for over a decade now and suddenly it fizzles out to nothing to sell some more Space Marine models?

What was the point of that decade of build-up, exactly?

Also - the title change? Really? Who was immature enough to do that?

They are making things even grimmer and darker, so why are you surprised?

Just because Captain Artemis believed him doesn't mean that he shouldn't pull the trigger. I'm sure the Eldar in his past have been very convincing as well, as I am sure they are when they convince Inquisitors and planetary governors to do things that end up hurting the Imperium for the Eldar's gain.

Besides, you didn't really think Ynnead was going to be born and Slaanesh be screwed in this campaign anyways? Now we can have multiple campaigns of the Eldar hunting the fragments of Ynnead.

Wow... Just wow. I wake and jump on Dakka to catch up on the Background, Fanfiction, and General discussion forums; chip away at huge pm's and find this... I'm not even sure what to say.

A lot of us can say they've spent quite their fair amount on Warhammer Fantasy/40K products, I myself set aside a hundred bucks every month solely to buy codexes and literature. I don't collect miniatures but I'm a die hard fan for the fluff and rich history... Up until now.
It's been bothering me lately that the Imperium subsequently wins everything. From Kaldor Draigo to the Tyranids codex stating the smack down they receive.... IN THEIR OWN CODEX!
On the Warhammer Lore Reddit they go into further detail about the fluff involved.
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/4xju2x/the_storyline_of_death_masque_massive_spoilers/
Reading that, how poorly the Harlequins were protrayed, Eldar loosing this beautiful prophecy simply to make Space Marines look cool... I'll probably never buy a GamesWorkshop product ever again. If this is truly what's meant to be, the Imperium foiling every prophecy, dismantling any other factions attempts at building then there's really no point. Whether written beautifully or not that is essentially the outcome we'll be facing time and time again. Even if the shards are salvageable all purpose is lost. Without any chance of resurgence for the Eldar, it's over... Simple as that.

Whoever demands the plot be pushed forward, unless you're blowing the Marine beside you you'll sorely be disappointed. The entire universe has become a business ploy to sell marines, and maybe the odd guardsmen. I'm not going to put myself through the disappointment in the coming years.

For the pain Eldar players feel currently, and the pain to come for other faction players outside the Imperium; you have my sincerest sympathies.

That post seems to have a pretty big point as to why the Eldar wouldn't win from the beginning.

"the resulting Warp beacon would drown out the Astronomicon, dooming billions of humans to deaths by daemons/cut off from the wider Imperium."

The Imperium literally wouldn't function anymore. Also it would result in Eldrad being a vindicated dick, the worst kind of dick.

The game was rigged from the start chaps.

The issue here isn't about the game being rigged from the start, it's about the Space Marines continually foiling any and everything. I had a feeling it would ultimately fail but not like this, where a gallant band of Space Marines murders, skull f's an entire troupe of Harlequins, and ultimately saves the day. It's the direction in which the entirety of the universe is going... Space Marines murder fething everything out of existence to sell more. I love Necron's, adore the Harlequins, hope that one day Tyranid's will contact other races with telepathic hate messages, and so on and so forth... But none of that will ever be seen.

 Crazyterran wrote:
They are making things even grimmer and darker, so why are you surprised?

Just because Captain Artemis believed him doesn't mean that he shouldn't pull the trigger. I'm sure the Eldar in his past have been very convincing as well, as I am sure they are when they convince Inquisitors and planetary governors to do things that end up hurting the Imperium for the Eldar's gain.

Besides, you didn't really think Ynnead was going to be born and Slaanesh be screwed in this campaign anyways? Now we can have multiple campaigns of the Eldar hunting the fragments of Ynnead.

I didn't think they would actually touch on Ynnead until the point when it was actually ready to be born and do its job. It was the Eldar's endgame for a reason. And now, the Eldar, or at least the Craftworld Eldar's role in whatever end times we may see has gone from 'die in battle to summon death god, kill Slaanesh and be reborn' to 'die uselessly' in the space of one minor campaign box designed to sell another faction.

I'm so disappointed. They made it out in the advertisement that this event would be important, that it mattered to the greater chronology of the setting. And then Eldrad pisses it away in terrible writing. I don't buy that the most skilled seer of a craftworld of the most skilled seers, vaunted as one of the most powerful psykers in the galaxy, couldn't foresee the interruption and have adaquate counter measures. He could've shot the Corvus down. He could've waited until the Death Watch arrived, personally dealt with them (remember Eldrad beat Abbadon in close combat) then started the ritual due to the ritual not having a deadline.

Instead they throw away the majority of the Craftworlders end game because supposedly the most machiavellian character in the setting is dubbed incompetent enough to lose to a posse of 13 Marines.

Question: Do we know if Eldrad's plan was also the Laughing God's plan? The book references the Laughing God's playbook in the time-line but I'm not sure. I'll be hella pissed if hs end game is up in smoke as well.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
I'm so disappointed. They made it out in the advertisement that this event would be important, that it mattered to the greater chronology of the setting. And then Eldrad pisses it away in terrible writing. I don't buy that the most skilled seer of a craftworld of the most skilled seers, vaunted as one of the most powerful psykers in the galaxy, couldn't foresee the interruption and have adaquate counter measures. He could've shot the Corvus down. He could've waited until the Death Watch arrived, personally dealt with them (remember Eldrad beat Abbadon in close combat) then started the ritual due to the ritual not having a deadline.

Instead they throw away the majority of the Craftworlders end game because supposedly the most machiavellian character in the setting is dubbed incompetent enough to lose to a posse of 13 Marines.

Question: Do we know if Eldrad's plan was also the Laughing God's plan? The book references the Laughing God's playbook in the time-line but I'm not sure. I'll be hella pissed if hs end game is up in smoke as well.

Apparently, the Harlequins following Eldrad were 'renegades'. The main faction of Harlequins were busy beating off a big attack by Ahriman on the Black Library, but these guys decided to go follow Eldrad in his stupid plan, instead.

Probably a good thing. If they got mowed down like mooks by the Deathwatch, those morons probably wouldn't have added anything to the defence of the Library anyway.

 Quickjager wrote:


The game was rigged from the start chaps.

That doesn't mean it couldn't have been written better or less one sided. Harlequins are arguably the most elite soldiers of a multi-million year old race of psychic-gifted geniuses with technology only rivaled by the necrons, they should not have been written like fodder. Imagine if there was a story about Death Leaper and let's say 6 lictors that attacked 100 grey knights led by Draigo who was in the midst of activating some ancient McGuffin device that would halt Abaddon's black crusade. Only for the Lictors and Death Leaper to slice through the Grey Knight's like a hot knife through butter. Finally Death Leaper approaches Draigo who is about to complete the McGuffin device's activation. Sensing his doom, Draigo looks Death Leaper in the eye and says "Diplomatic immunity..." Only for Death Leaper to shoot him in the head and say "...has just been revoked." How would that make you feel?

I would laugh so hard. I might even make a diorama of it, it would need a top hat to finish it.




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What Masque were these Harlem from anyway? Veiled Path seems right on the nose.

Robin5t wrote:So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.

Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.

"Muh favourite faction got a fluff setback oh nooooo, never mind them being the best codex in the game and just as plot armoured as space marines, so I'm going to rage-post on an internet forum"

Robin5t wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.

Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.

Tell me more


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Where did those souls go, and how do you know eldrad did not plan this to happen ?

Basically, Eldrad started a ritual to summon Ynnead early. The ritual goes wrong because he apparently failed to account for one particular timeline out of tens of thousands where the Deathwatch were able to interfere. This then happens, the ritual is ruined, Ynnead's birth goes totally wrong and the god is shattered into countless, useless little fragments, every infinity circuit of every craftworld (as Eldrad was able to tap into them for his ritual) was wiped clean of souls and the Craftworld Eldar's endgame is now gone.

Did you really think they were going to kill Slaanesh and get rid of a 4th of the daemon models? You should know better. That one little ball of light just opened more doors for the eldar and GW than a full strength Ynnead ever could. Avatar of Ynnead here we come!

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

Robin5t wrote:So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.

Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.

"Muh favourite faction got a fluff setback oh nooooo, never mind them being the best codex in the game and just as plot armoured as space marines, so I'm going to rage-post on an internet forum"

Robin5t wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.

Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.

Tell me more


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Where did those souls go, and how do you know eldrad did not plan this to happen ?

Basically, Eldrad started a ritual to summon Ynnead early. The ritual goes wrong because he apparently failed to account for one particular timeline out of tens of thousands where the Deathwatch were able to interfere. This then happens, the ritual is ruined, Ynnead's birth goes totally wrong and the god is shattered into countless, useless little fragments, every infinity circuit of every craftworld (as Eldrad was able to tap into them for his ritual) was wiped clean of souls and the Craftworld Eldar's endgame is now gone.

Did you really think they were going to kill Slaanesh and get rid of a 4th of the daemon models? You should know better. That one little ball of light just opened more doors for the eldar and GW than a full strength Ynnead ever could. Avatar of Ynnead here we come!

I'm sure you're going to provide citations of all of this apparent Eldar plot armour, now.

You know, if you can find it in between the million stories of Seers completely failing to predict that the mighty and superior Space Marines would interrupt their plans and kill them.

I play Harlequins, not Craftworld, as well, so unless Harlies suddenly gained a lot more options than I last recall seeing in their codex, I really doubt they're 'the best codex in the game'.

And... avatars of Ynnead. Wow. So now, instead of one shattered god incapable of killing Slaanesh, the Eldar have... two shattered gods incapable of killing Slaanesh. Anyone who believes that 'Avatars of Ynnead' is a good thing has completely missed the point of Ynnead.

What I really thought was that they weren't going to touch the 'Ynnead' story line until the End Times, you know, when it should have been concluded, rather than this nonsense of having the big end-game of one of the game's major factions snuffed out in a box for the sake of selling Captain Martystu and his awesome detachment of Space Marines who are totally different from all the other Space Marines out there, honest.