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2016/08/15 17:13:43
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Orlanth wrote: Black Lives Matter was a necessary protest movement, but it is spreading beyond its bounds.
BLM started off as rioting and calls for violence and continues as such. Yes, there are peaceful outliers that use BLM slogans but they're not actually affiliated with the main BLM organization.
Orlanth wrote: ...and it is odd that BlackLivesMatter has to go back five years to find a martyr cause to consider a protest over...
Not if you understand that protesting isn't what BLM is really about. BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
Oh, yea, real class act there. People like this should be nominated for Darwin Awards.
Looks like a Glock 19 with an extended mag.
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2016/08/15 17:36:53
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Not if you understand that protesting isn't what BLM is really about. BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
They have not, to my knowledge, begun dragging people from their homes and hanging them.
From what I've read and seen on this shooting, it certainly seems like a "good shoot." Obviously, I'd like to see more details, the body cam footage, etc...
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2016/08/15 17:44:42
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
kronk wrote: From what I've read and seen on this shooting, it certainly seems like a "good shoot." Obviously, I'd like to see more details, the body cam footage, etc...
That's where I am with this too. The reports are all indicating that this is a good shoot (in the absence of the body cam footage being released to the public), and rioting as a reflex action undermines the legitimate concerns that the BLM group has.
2016/08/15 17:45:01
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Also, didn't Gucci hats go out of style in the 90's? Maybe it's a Wisconsin thing.
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2016/08/15 17:54:37
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Orlanth wrote: Black Lives Matter was a necessary protest movement, but it is spreading beyond its bounds.
BLM started off as rioting and calls for violence and continues as such. Yes, there are peaceful outliers that use BLM slogans but they're not actually affiliated with the main BLM organization.
Orlanth wrote: ...and it is odd that BlackLivesMatter has to go back five years to find a martyr cause to consider a protest over...
Not if you understand that protesting isn't what BLM is really about. BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
Sorry, I cannot agree. BLM does have extremeist elements and opportunist elements looking to score capital elsewhere.
Black people in America have every reason to be worried and some get shot even while being savvy to this. We don't need BLM in Europe, it is needed in America.
Also despite the inclusion of extremist elements the same movement has other elements, which can be called more mainstram for a number of reasons but most notably because Obama personally hosted them face to face alongside police chiefs.
Obama hosts BLM spokesperson.
BLM has been legitimized as a political lobby movement. Whether Obama did the right thing by this or whether he should have chosen other people to represent the black community and their fears is for someone else to say.
The police earned a riot where the people involved destroy the property of regular people unrelated to the shooting?
To some extent this is true when cops shoot (predominantly) black people in circumstances where it is clear they were no danger.
However when a riot is 'earned' cops aren't the ones owning the stores the rioters break into to burn, or snag loot.
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2016/08/15 18:33:26
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
jmurph wrote: Conceivably, the DOJ is there to deal with stuff like Civil Rights era Alabama where the governance and population were perfectly fine with racially discriminatory law enforcement against a minority group. However, when you get to 2015 Baltimore, it gets more complicated as now you are dealing with a largely minority population, but also minority governance (including police officers). It is why BLM and such is off base- there is no national police force and problems must be addressed on a department by department basis. Some departments may have racial issues, others may not.
Regardless, rioting and looting only further victimizes the very communities that such "protestors" claim to represent.
From what I've seen, the rioters and agitators for violence are not the locals, but people from outside looking to have some fun in the chaos at the expense of other people.
Orlanth wrote: Black Lives Matter was a necessary protest movement, but it is spreading beyond its bounds.
BLM started off as rioting and calls for violence and continues as such. Yes, there are peaceful outliers that use BLM slogans but they're not actually affiliated with the main BLM organization.
Orlanth wrote: ...and it is odd that BlackLivesMatter has to go back five years to find a martyr cause to consider a protest over...
Not if you understand that protesting isn't what BLM is really about. BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
In that video the sister of Sylville Smith echoes that thought and encourages folks to not burn down their own community.
Of course, she then goes on to encourage folks to go to the suburbs and burn them down instead...
I wonder if that would meet the relevant criminal statute in the state.
The nation's police earned this.
Does that mean the non-rioting population in the area deserve to have their businesses and homes destroyed and they potentially killed? If the nonrioting members defended their place of business and shot several rioters, would that be a good thing or bad thing under your belief system? If a police officer is shot during the riot does the officer deserve that too?
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2016/08/15 19:03:34
Subject: Re:Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
d-usa wrote: People who claim that BLM is like the KKK are a shining example of the failure of our educational system.
I'm sure Breotan is aware that BLM hasn't killed thousands of people the way the KKK has, he just doesn't care it's not true. It's a big difference.
And here I thought he was thinking that BLM members are active in city, county, state, and national legislative bodies, as well as the police forces, and that they are using this power to pass legislation promoting racial hatred and injustice, and that they are intimidating anybody that has a problem with that by destroying their businesses, threatening them at home, beating them, and frequently killing them, all while taking comfort in the fact that nobody is going to do anything about it because the head of law enforcement is also a BLM member and he is underneath one of the black hoods in the crowd.
And yeah, the whole lynching and killing people thing as well...
2016/08/15 19:36:06
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
skyth wrote: Here Breotan proves that he believes the Nazi propaganda maxim, that if you lie often enough and loud enough, people start to believe it's the truth.
Breotan wrote: BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
d-usa wrote: People who claim that BLM is like the KKK are a shining example of the failure of our educational system.
I'm sure Breotan is aware that BLM hasn't killed thousands of people the way the KKK has, he just doesn't care it's not true. It's a big difference.
Is that what I said? Or is that what you want me to have said? I swear to God, straw man stuffing makes up nearly half of the posts on this site. I never said they were like the KKK, I said BLM is as racist as the Klan, and they very much are. I also like how you dig into history of the Klan to support your argument but ignore BLM protesters calling for cops and white people to be murdered.
Have any of you even LOOKED at BLM's "demands"? They have a pretty sophisticated web site listing them and they have very little to do with actually reforming police policies regarding the use of profiling and deadly force. It's the same old recycled feth it was back when BLM meant "Black Liberation Movement".
Orlanth wrote: Black Lives Matter was a necessary protest movement, but it is spreading beyond its bounds.
BLM started off as rioting and calls for violence and continues as such. Yes, there are peaceful outliers that use BLM slogans but they're not actually affiliated with the main BLM organization.
Orlanth wrote: ...and it is odd that BlackLivesMatter has to go back five years to find a martyr cause to consider a protest over...
Not if you understand that protesting isn't what BLM is really about. BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
Sorry, I cannot agree. BLM does have extremeist elements and opportunist elements looking to score capital elsewhere.
Black people in America have every reason to be worried and some get shot even while being savvy to this. We don't need BLM in Europe, it is needed in America.
Also despite the inclusion of extremist elements the same movement has other elements, which can be called more mainstram for a number of reasons but most notably because Obama personally hosted them face to face alongside police chiefs.
I'm going to agree/disagree with you...
BLM hasn't reached KKK levels... but there are undertones of Black Power violence in this movement.
What I don't agree is that blacks have every reason to be worried.
The focus/attention is being misplaced.
Instead, they should be worried as how the BLM movement has been hijacked, where it currently harbors, shelters, and empowers true radicals of "outside provocateurs" - who not only have no problem seeing our cities burn, they’re also fanning the flames.
If the moderates, who truly does seek peaceful engagement, cannot overcome these provocateurs... then it will continue to be this destructive force that we see now and any credibility will be questioned.
I lived 15 minutes away when Ferguson 'sploded.
Here's the main culprit:
Spoiler:
For perspective, I can drive west/south on 270 from Spanish Lake all the way 270/55 in about 20 minutes (provided that there's no traffic!).
You see a bunch of townships in this region... which is a bit unusual compared to other major metropolitian cities.
Ferguson and it's surrounding townships has a high black populations, and the property values isn't that great to begin with...
So, what does these townships do to maintain budget?
They "encourage" the PD to issues citation like candies...
To people who drive their streets...
Whom happens to be their own constituents.
As a St. Louis native, you just know that you don't speed/have illegal window tintings/blast you music in certain areas in town... or you will get pulled over.
Ferguson was one of "those towns"... just as Dellwood/Bel-Nor/Bel-Ridge/Cool Valley.
This isn't a racial issue... just fething dumb assed policies... combined with all these little townships just compounds everything.
For years, the St. Louis region has talked about mergers.
Then, some of us would like St. Louis County/City to be divide into something like NYC's borough civil structure:
Spoiler:
But because this'll change the civil structures (and who's in charge).... these little kingdoms fight tooth-and-nail against these sorts of proposed changes.
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2016/08/15 19:45:33
Subject: Re:Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Breotan wrote:Is that what I said? Or is that what you want me to have said? I swear to God, straw man stuffing makes up nearly half of the posts on this site. I never said they were like the KKK, I said BLM is as racist as the Klan, and they very much are. I also like how you dig into history of the Klan to support your argument but ignore BLM protesters calling for cops and white people to be murdered.
Have any of you even LOOKED at BLM's "demands"? They have a pretty sophisticated web site listing them and they have very little to do with actually reforming police policies regarding the use of profiling and deadly force. It's the same old recycled feth it was back when BLM meant "Black Liberation Movement".
But I guess it's easier for some on Dakka to say a person is uneducated or lying than it is to engage in critical thought and debate.
Here's what you actually said:
Breotan wrote: BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
So please, explain to me how the BLM is a lot more violent than the KKK, which was responsible for thousands of deaths. I mean, you gasp and drop onto your fainting couch in shock but it doesn't change the fact you said something very, very clearly untrue by any definition or spin, even if you're now trying to quietly walk back "and a lot more violent" by not including it in the second post.
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2016/08/15 19:47:42
Subject: Re:Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
skyth wrote: Here Breotan proves that he believes the Nazi propaganda maxim, that if you lie often enough and loud enough, people start to believe it's the truth.
Breotan wrote: BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
d-usa wrote: People who claim that BLM is like the KKK are a shining example of the failure of our educational system.
I'm sure Breotan is aware that BLM hasn't killed thousands of people the way the KKK has, he just doesn't care it's not true. It's a big difference.
Is that what I said? Or is that what you want me to have said? I swear to God, straw man stuffing makes up nearly half of the posts on this site. I never said they were like the KKK, I said BLM is as racist as the Klan, and they very much are. I also like how you dig into history of the Klan to support your argument but ignore BLM protesters calling for cops and white people to be murdered.
Have any of you even LOOKED at BLM's "demands"? They have a pretty sophisticated web site listing them and they have very little to do with actually reforming police policies regarding the use of profiling and deadly force. It's the same old recycled feth it was back when BLM meant "Black Liberation Movement".
But I guess it's easier for some on Dakka to say a person is uneducated or lying than it is to engage in critical thought and debate.
First off, that someone made a website that does not mean that they actually represent Black Lives Matters. This is like claiming that the Westboro Baptist Church represents real Christianity. They have a web site too BLM is not an organized movement. It was not formed as a violent racist organization despite your continuous attempts to lie about it. It was a populist movement. It is also not racist to demand blacks be given the same respect as white people. That is what the organization is about...Wanting to be treated like an equal. If you think that is racist you need to seriously consider education and what racism really is.
Basically, your whole statement is a big ball of lies created by racists that were feeling threatened by the idea of equality.
2016/08/15 20:20:19
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
What I don't agree is that blacks have every reason to be worried.
As unpleasant as the truth is, there is enough factual evidence of blacks getting a raw deal from police.
Furthermore it is meeting a lot of press attention.
Perhaps its a bit like child molester statistics; the chances of a child being a victim are very remote in western countries but the reality of when it does happen is so horrible that it becomes a major worry.
I cannot and will not citicise blacks for joining BLM in th US.
The focus/attention is being misplaced.
Instead, they should be worried as how the BLM movement has been hijacked, where it currently harbors, shelters, and empowers true radicals of "outside provocateurs" - who not only have no problem seeing our cities burn, they’re also fanning the flames.
This has always been a problem with protest movements, especially ones based around a cause forged by fear and anger.
How many times have we all heard of stories of peaceful protest marches turning into riots. There will always be some scum who will turn a protest into an excuse for violence, the motives vary though.
Perhaps by Obama giving BLM a platform he is helping forge a moderate leadership to the movement, rioting will be on Obamas and the polices agenda; and we can be pretty sure the people Obama chose to have photoshoots with are not the type to chuck bricks.
If the moderates, who truly does seek peaceful engagement, cannot overcome these provocateurs... then it will continue to be this destructive force that we see now and any credibility will be questioned.
There is a problem within certain communities that they don't like being old what to do. Particularly ones where there is a lot of savage pride and people demand 'respect' certain forms of African American culture fit this pattern. It will be difficult to control.
Peac will be called for by moderate leaders, and it will save their credibility, but it will likely fall on deaf ears.
As with similar movements the violence will likely not be accredited to BLM itself, partly because the leadership will be blameless and part because challenging BLM might of itself spark racial tensions.
So, what does these townships do to maintain budget?
They "encourage" the PD to issues citation like candies...
To people who drive their streets...
Whom happens to be their own constituents.
As a St. Louis native, you just know that you don't speed/have illegal window tintings/blast you music in certain areas in town... or you will get pulled over. Ferguson was one of "those towns"... just as Dellwood/Bel-Nor/Bel-Ridge/Cool Valley.
This isn't a racial issue... just fething dumb assed policies... combined with all these little townships just compounds everything.
For years, the St. Louis region has talked about mergers.
The UK has this problem. Back in the middle age we learned that you never try to make a profit out of the judicial fines system, justice suffers. Despite all our advancements this one bit of wisdom was forgotten.
Thankfully traffic policing is done on a regional and national level. We have no FBI equivalent, but we do have a nationwide motorway (highway) traffic police for example.
Where local councils use the system as a little earner is with parking. And to compound this they use private contractors who make a%, which is never an incentive to honest enforcement. Tricks like cropping photo evidence to exclude drivers from stationary but unparked cars to make them eligible for a fine.
By and large once a car is moving it is safe, but a parked car is a cash sourse. Yes it is annoying, but not riot inducing.
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2016/08/15 20:24:56
Subject: Re:Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Breotan wrote: BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
So please, explain to me how the BLM is a lot more violent than the KKK, which was responsible for thousands of deaths. I mean, you can drop your hankerchief and drop onto your fainting couch but it doesn't change the fact you said something very, very clearly untrue by any definition or spin, even if you're now trying to quietly walk back "and a lot more violent" by not including it in the second post.
Believe whatever you want, Ouze, it doesn't change the fact that BLM is inspiring riots and thuggery everywhere police use deadly force against a black suspect, regardless of what the facts are. No, BLM supporters aren't out lynching people the way the Klan did but there are plenty of videos out there showing BLM protesters calling for murder and riots. BLM also has a huge propaganda machine dedicated to spreading the belief that there is a literal "war on blacks" in America. It takes little time to dig up videos of "official" BLM protests chanting for the death of cops and BLM "protesters" have been interviewed calling for the deaths of white people. There is also a trove of youtube videos showing rioters shouting BLM slogans, burning police cars, and looted stores. Twitter goes Full Metal Stupid by these guys making racists posts. You only have to look at what's happening in Milwaukee to see the fruits of BLM's labor. You have only to look back at the sniper in Dallas to see that their calls for violence are being taken seriously.
d-usa wrote: To be fair, it's pretty hard for us to know what he actually meant when he doesn't know what he actually meant.
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2016/08/15 20:27:45
Subject: Re:Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Okay, I steer as far away from the OT forum as possible, but this was on the top of the main page, and it just lined up far too well. I just finished listening to the latest episode of "Cognitive Dissonance" right before coming here. Normally it's a skeptical comedy podcast. This week's episode, however, is NOT comedy focused. It is an interview with a former Baltimore cop who talks about these kinds of incidents and how to respond to them (in his educated opinion).
The hosts, Tom & Cecil, are willing to mock anything, so if you have "sacred cows" you don't want defamed, steer clear. They also swear. A lot.
That said, this was a real eye-opener in terms of these sorts of things, and how he personally went from having the usual "comply or die" label attached to him to being a member of the community.
Sorry to hit & run, but I just thought I'd drop something relevant before going back to the gaming goodness.
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2016/08/15 20:30:29
Subject: Re:Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Breotan wrote: BLM is an extension of the black nationalist movement. It is as racist as the Klan and a lot more violent.
So please, explain to me how the BLM is a lot more violent than the KKK, which was responsible for thousands of deaths. I mean, you can drop your hankerchief and drop onto your fainting couch but it doesn't change the fact you said something very, very clearly untrue by any definition or spin, even if you're now trying to quietly walk back "and a lot more violent" by not including it in the second post.
Believe whatever you want, Ouze, it doesn't change the fact that BLM is inspiring riots and thuggery everywhere police use deadly force against a black suspect, regardless of what the facts are. No, BLM supporters aren't out lynching people the way the Klan did but there are plenty of videos out there showing BLM protesters calling for murder and riots. BLM also has a huge propaganda machine dedicated to spreading the belief that there is a literal "war on blacks" in America. It takes little time to dig up videos of "official" BLM protests chanting for the death of cops and BLM "protesters" have been interviewed calling for the deaths of white people. There is also a trove of youtube videos showing rioters shouting BLM slogans, burning police cars, and looted stores. Twitter goes Full Metal Stupid by these guys making racists posts. You only have to look at what's happening in Milwaukee to see the fruits of BLM's labor. You have only to look back at the sniper in Dallas to see that their calls for violence are being taken seriously.
So is it your stance that BLM is a lot more violent because they make rants on youtube, burned 2 police cars, and looted stores, instead of killing thousands of people, bombing schools and churches and such? I want to make sure I'm understanding you, since you keep arguing we're spinning what you are saying. Are you saying that there are over 3,400 BLM videos on youtube and twitter endorsing violence, and each one of these is about the same, or worse than, as a person murdered by the KKK? Truly, I wish to understand.
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2016/08/15 20:37:50
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
skyth wrote: It was not formed as a violent racist organization despite your continuous attempts to lie about it.
The calls for cops to be killed and repeated rioting tend not to support your argument.
skyth wrote: Basically, your whole statement is a big ball of lies created by racists that were feeling threatened by the idea of equality.
White racists didn't put words into the mouths of those BLM supporters caught on video speaking their minds. Racist BLM supporters did that on their own.
2016/08/15 20:47:13
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
More than 60 organizations associated with the Black Lives Matter movement
So not BLM. Because, as he pointed out, BLM isn't a structured movement, these are groups associated with it.
But they're fine with being associated with groups that espouse violence?
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2016/08/15 20:50:54
Subject: Re:Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Hey, since it's their page, which page specifically calls for violence? I read through it, and - craziest thing - despite the fact it's mostly a violent racist organization, with a few peaceful outliers, as you said earlier - I can't find any of the calls to violence I thought I would. It looks like a bunch of boring legislative calls to action! Weird, huh, since it's their page? Help me out, can you drop me a link to somewhere on that site where they call for violence to achieve their goals? Or call for violence at all? It must be super obviously there but I just can't seem to find it.
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2016/08/15 20:52:36
Subject: Re:Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Ouze wrote: So is it your stance that BLM is a lot more violent because they make rants on youtube, burned 2 police cars, and looted stores, instead of killing thousands of people, bombing schools and churches and such? I want to make sure I'm understanding you, since you keep arguing we're spinning what you are saying. Are you saying that there are over 3,400 BLM videos on youtube and twitter endorsing violence, and each one of these is about the same, or worse than, as a person murdered by the KKK? Truly, I wish to understand.
Do you not think that shooting cops and throwing Molotov cocktails isn't violent? Do you not think that rioters targeting white people and trying to pull them out of their cars and beat them isn't violence? Do you think that millions in property damage isn't violent? Or how about the videos of people who apparently think that protesting means stealing a big screen TV during a riot?
Ouze wrote: Are you saying that there are over 3,400 BLM videos on youtube and twitter endorsing violence, and each one of these is about the same, or worse than, as a person murdered by the KKK? Truly, I wish to understand.
I'm pretty sure that sniping at cops in Dallas is as bad as a person murdered by the KKK.
2016/08/15 20:56:05
Subject: Re:Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Ouze wrote: So is it your stance that BLM is a lot more violent because they make rants on youtube, burned 2 police cars, and looted stores, instead of killing thousands of people, bombing schools and churches and such? I want to make sure I'm understanding you, since you keep arguing we're spinning what you are saying. Are you saying that there are over 3,400 BLM videos on youtube and twitter endorsing violence, and each one of these is about the same, or worse than, as a person murdered by the KKK? Truly, I wish to understand.
Do you not think that shooting cops and throwing Molotov cocktails isn't violent? Do you not think that rioters targeting white people and trying to pull them out of their cars and beat them isn't violence? Do you think that millions in property damage isn't violent? Or how about the videos of people who apparently think that protesting means stealing a big screen TV during a riot?
Ouze wrote: Are you saying that there are over 3,400 BLM videos on youtube and twitter endorsing violence, and each one of these is about the same, or worse than, as a person murdered by the KKK? Truly, I wish to understand.
I'm pretty sure that sniping at cops in Dallas is as bad as a person murdered by the KKK.
You said "way, way more violent than the KKK". The KKK has killed at least 3,400 people. I'm very bad at math, but even if we assume, wrongly, that the BLM sanctioned that guy sniping at cops, then it still seems to me - bad at math as I am - that 6 is not "way, way more violence" that 3,400. Help me out here. I mean, are we doing an all lives matter thing, where every single dead person is more or less that same as the Holocaust? Because that would at least make some level of sense, in a way. Is that what you mean?
Personally, I think you should just walk back the silly, untrue thing you said, but that's just my 2 cents.
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2016/08/15 20:59:34
Subject: Another shooting, another riot... this time in Milwaukee.
Ouze wrote: Hey, since it's their page, which page specifically calls for violence? I read through it, and - craziest thing - despite the fact it's mostly a violent racist organization, with a few peaceful outliers, as you said earlier - I can't find any of the calls to violence I thought I would. It looks like a bunch of boring legislative calls to action! Weird, huh, since it's their page? Help me out, can you drop me a link to somewhere on that site where they call for violence to achieve their goals? Or call for violence at all? It must be super obviously there but I just can't seem to find it.
First off, since you seem to willfully ignore stuff before you post, I'll remind you of what I said about their site.
Have any of you even LOOKED at BLM's "demands"? They have a pretty sophisticated web site listing them and they have very little to do with actually reforming police policies regarding the use of profiling and deadly force. It's the same old recycled feth it was back when BLM meant "Black Liberation Movement".
You find their calls to violence from what they chant in their protests, rioting, and social media spam. There are plenty of Youtube videos where they tend to speak their mind without a filter.