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I'm actually kinda afraid.

Remember how people got hyped up for plastic Daemonettes and the actual results were...divisive to say the least?

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'm actually kinda afraid.

Remember how people got hyped up for plastic Daemonettes and the actual results were...divisive to say the least?

Well I wouldn't be too afraid there's nothing at all to say we'd get any sisters at all. So we don't need to worry one way or the other.

Plastic sisters would ruin me I have DW AM and knights in various stages of completion.

Let's be honest. At this point, any figures at all would be welcomed (mostly) with open arms and ululations of joy. Even if they just brought back all the old Sister Superior models and the variant special and heavy weapon models, and suchlike.

From what I see, Sisters of Battle are still available in all of their metal glory!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?N=102352+4294966923&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
From what I see, Sisters of Battle are still available in all of their metal glory!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?N=102352+4294966923&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat

No Immolator.

No Seraphim Superior (there were two, definitely, and possibly three - one with power sword and plasma pistol, one with bolt pistol and power sword in helmet, perhaps also one with a chainsword?)

One missing Seraphim with bolt pistol sculpt.

No Imagifer with parchment banner.

No Banner Bearer with bare head and empty pole so any flag can be added.

Missing alternate sculpts for every Special Weapon (IIRC there were two variants of each at least, usually helmeted and unhelmeted, some had different poses with their guns too)

No Sister Superior with plasma pistol and chainsword

No Sister Superior with bolt pistol and chainsword

No Sister Superior with combi-flamer.

No Sister Superior with power maul.

No Sister Dialogus.

No Confessor Kyrinov with Mace of Valaan.

I could go on, I think, but I won't. You get the idea.

To which, I reply "Eh, so what?" None of that matters.

The have Sisters on foot and Sisters with JPs and all of the trinity weapons. That's what actually matters.

Model diversity is relevant.

That and technically there's no legitimate way to get a Immolator other than by conversion. (I say technically because I heard that you can get the immolator parts from the Exorcist, but that is still technically a conversion). It's like that era where Bretonnians were missing their standard bearer model.

Model existence is even more relevant. Ask the Squats and Dogs of War players.

 Gamgee wrote:
Honestly yes. SoB is horribly bland and generic. The most interesting SoB stuff usually doesn't look like generic female space marines.

Bland and generic? In what other setting does there exist power armored females in sexualized corset power armor (with high heels) mixed with Gothic medieval imagery and bob cuts? I don't know about you but that seems way too idiosyncratic to be generic nor would I call that idea bland,

In fact that's awesome, especially through the lens of 40k's over the top juvenile 12 year old boy mentality of "Grim Dark" (it's so over the top "Grim Dark" it becomes goofy rather than actually being "Grim Dark" which I love).

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
To which, I reply "Eh, so what?" None of that matters.

The have Sisters on foot and Sisters with JPs and all of the trinity weapons. That's what actually matters.

...what

 Gen.Steiner wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
To which, I reply "Eh, so what?" None of that matters.

The have Sisters on foot and Sisters with JPs and all of the trinity weapons. That's what actually matters.

...what

Oh, actually existing as a supported army isn't good enough for you?

I've had my much larger Dogs of War army Squatted, so you don't get to pull that crap. Perhaps GW formally pulling your Sisters out of the catalog entirely is what you ingrates need to change your tune.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Gen.Steiner wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
To which, I reply "Eh, so what?" None of that matters.

The have Sisters on foot and Sisters with JPs and all of the trinity weapons. That's what actually matters.

...what

Oh, actually existing as a supported army isn't good enough for you?

I've had my much larger Dogs of War army Squatted, so you don't get to pull that crap. Perhaps GW formally pulling your Sisters out of the catalog entirely is what you ingrates need to change your tune.

So because you're unhappy nobody should have decent army support?

While it is great that GW have not "squatted" Sisters, and I'm sure Sisters fans are all very grateful for that, it's irrelevant to whether or not the army could use - or in fact really is in dire need of - expanded support, including at the very least bringing existing models back into print. Now I'd argue that is a losing strategy, overall. If GW wants to make more money on Sisters, they need to revamp the range.

Absent a revamp, existing beats the hell out of not existing, simple as that. The fact is, if GW ever finishes selling their stock of variant #1, they'll swithc to selling variant #2. But first, they need to finish selling the stuff the cast decades ago, and that ain't happening.

The main reason that Sisters "existing" is a good thing is that it means there is still a possibility of Sisters getting revamped.

The problem is we saw what happened to the Bretonnians (where GW briefly re-released all of their good stuff during the End Times, then a few months down the road squatted the entire army wholesale). It's the shadows of things to come.

I have a bretonnian army, I was gonna get cute pegasi for them ;_;

On that note I find it weirdly funny that both share the fleur de lis emblem.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Oh, actually existing as a supported army isn't good enough for you?

I've had my much larger Dogs of War army Squatted, so you don't get to pull that crap. Perhaps GW formally pulling your Sisters out of the catalog entirely is what you ingrates need to change your tune.

Amusingly enough, since I started playing GW games, I've had official rules and model support for the following games and armies dropped:

Necromunda, Mordheim, Inquisitor, Epic 40K and Epic Armageddon, Battlefleet Gothic, Gorkamorka, Bretonians, Tomb Kings, my Doctrine-Guard armies (now all broken apart and sold off), and probably one or two other things I don't recall. Oh, I also miss the old Forest Goblins that I wanted to add to my Savage Orc army.

Amazingly enough, I can still be disappointed by the paucity of the Sister of Battle and Inquisition ranges, given that I can clearly remember what they looked like not so long ago.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
On that note I find it weirdly funny that both share the fleur de lis emblem.

GW is an English company. France and England have a long standing rivalry. Could that be the explanation?[/conspiracytheory]

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
On that note I find it weirdly funny that both share the fleur de lis emblem.

GW is an English company. France and England have a long standing rivalry. Could that be the explanation?[/conspiracytheory]

I was thinking the same thing.

Well, you know what they say ^^.
“Great minds think alike”

They got rid of the IMMOLATOR?

Well, actually, I guess it's not terrible, since the Exorcist does come with the parts needed to build an Immolator...


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
On that note I find it weirdly funny that both share the fleur de lis emblem.

GW is an English company. France and England have a long standing rivalry. Could that be the explanation?[/conspiracytheory]

Erm, I'm suddenly remembering Bretonnians. They had the fleur de lis too, despite being named Bretonnians.

Also, is it lis or lys? I'm from Quebec, so I should know, but I don't actually have to spell that word very often.


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 Cheesecat wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Honestly yes. SoB is horribly bland and generic. The most interesting SoB stuff usually doesn't look like generic female space marines.

Bland and generic? In what other setting does there exist power armored females in sexualized corset power armor (with high heels) mixed with Gothic medieval imagery and bob cuts? I don't know about you but that seems way too idiosyncratic to be generic nor would I call that idea bland,

In fact that's awesome, especially through the lens of 40k's over the top juvenile 12 year old boy mentality of "Grim Dark" (it's so over the top "Grim Dark" it becomes goofy rather than actually being "Grim Dark" which I love).

The Sisters of Battles models have actually never had high heels.

They do in some of the art, but none of the models have high heels.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Absent a revamp, existing beats the hell out of not existing, simple as that. The fact is, if GW ever finishes selling their stock of variant #1, they'll swithc to selling variant #2. But first, they need to finish selling the stuff the cast decades ago, and that ain't happening.

If they haven't run down their stock after over a decade... either that's one hell of an unpopular army we're fans of, or GW grossly overestimated how many they'd need to make.

I mean generic within the context of 40k. Basically female space marines. Wow such innovative. I'm not much a fan of regular marines and how generic most of them are (Deathwatch and Blood Ravens noted exceptions). Visually they need something to set themselves apart because from a distance at an immediate read I just see female space marines. At a glance in their lore the gist of it is angry zealous female space marines punish sinners. Wow. I mean there is some uniqueness there. It's not carbon copy pasted, but for the most part they could very well just be another generic marine chapter. A one footnote. A line going in one direction. Not even a particularly interesting direction.

However when I see their Repentia I think damn I want to paint that model and have an army based around that cool concept. That is stuff you don't see the marines having. When I see their walker thing and the lore behind these units. I think. Maybe I want to paint them since they stand out so much from the bog standard female marines chapter tm* They need to redo the sisters (mildly) with a focus on zealousness and faith. Their models need to truly show they can do stuff with faith that regular marines couldn't hope to do. They need to give me the feeling they are punishing the sinners. I would love to see them collar prisoners to use in mass suicide attacks that either survive or blow up when they die in melee. The army needs to add that layer of punishment in the name of the Emperor and the ability for their faith to work miracles on everything. And actually show how.

As I said I could sit here and come up with my entire idea for a revamped sisters (who I would fold into a pan Ordo Hereticus release) and then we have all three orders represented. That would be doing GW's job however. I would not remove the power armor sisters, just deemphasize it as not their main thing.

 Gamgee wrote:
I mean generic within the context of 40k. Basically female space marines. Wow such innovative. I'm not much a fan of regular marines and how generic most of them are (Deathwatch and Blood Ravens noted exceptions). Visually they need something to set themselves apart because from a distance at an immediate read I just see female space marines. At a glance in their lore the gist of it is angry zealous female space marines punish sinners. Wow. I mean there is some uniqueness there. It's not carbon copy pasted, but for the most part they could very well just be another generic marine chapter. A one footnote. A line going in one direction. Not even a particularly interesting direction.

But they're not Space Marines. Space Marines are post-human gene- and bio-engineered monstrosities that are, actually, extremely uncommon; seeing one would be akin to a medieval peasant actually seeing an angel. Sisters of Battle are normal human women, raised from youth to become fanatical religious warriors, who are present all across the galaxy; they guard shrines, form the bodyguard to high-ranking Ecclesiarchical officials, monitor and guard pilgrim routes, are involved in the Black Ships, and so on and so forth. They, alongside the PDF and Arbites, are often the first line of defence a world has against the alien and the heretic.

The fact that you go "power armour = Marines" and don't actually bother to read their background doesn't actually make them a "generic Marine chapter".

 Gen.Steiner wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I mean generic within the context of 40k. Basically female space marines. Wow such innovative. I'm not much a fan of regular marines and how generic most of them are (Deathwatch and Blood Ravens noted exceptions). Visually they need something to set themselves apart because from a distance at an immediate read I just see female space marines. At a glance in their lore the gist of it is angry zealous female space marines punish sinners. Wow. I mean there is some uniqueness there. It's not carbon copy pasted, but for the most part they could very well just be another generic marine chapter. A one footnote. A line going in one direction. Not even a particularly interesting direction.

But they're not Space Marines. Space Marines are post-human gene- and bio-engineered monstrosities that are, actually, extremely uncommon; seeing one would be akin to a medieval peasant actually seeing an angel. Sisters of Battle are normal human women, raised from youth to become fanatical religious warriors, who are present all across the galaxy; they guard shrines, form the bodyguard to high-ranking Ecclesiarchical officials, monitor and guard pilgrim routes, are involved in the Black Ships, and so on and so forth. They, alongside the PDF and Arbites, are often the first line of defence a world has against the alien and the heretic.

The fact that you go "power armour = Marines" and don't actually bother to read their background doesn't actually make them a "generic Marine chapter".

Yeah when I look at them they just look like space marines. I don't care what their lore says. If I'm a new consumer looking to get into an army. Their whole look just says "female space marines".

 Gamgee wrote:

 Gen.Steiner wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I mean generic within the context of 40k. Basically female space marines. Wow such innovative. I'm not much a fan of regular marines and how generic most of them are (Deathwatch and Blood Ravens noted exceptions). Visually they need something to set themselves apart because from a distance at an immediate read I just see female space marines. At a glance in their lore the gist of it is angry zealous female space marines punish sinners. Wow. I mean there is some uniqueness there. It's not carbon copy pasted, but for the most part they could very well just be another generic marine chapter. A one footnote. A line going in one direction. Not even a particularly interesting direction.

But they're not Space Marines. Space Marines are post-human gene- and bio-engineered monstrosities that are, actually, extremely uncommon; seeing one would be akin to a medieval peasant actually seeing an angel. Sisters of Battle are normal human women, raised from youth to become fanatical religious warriors, who are present all across the galaxy; they guard shrines, form the bodyguard to high-ranking Ecclesiarchical officials, monitor and guard pilgrim routes, are involved in the Black Ships, and so on and so forth. They, alongside the PDF and Arbites, are often the first line of defence a world has against the alien and the heretic.

The fact that you go "power armour = Marines" and don't actually bother to read their background doesn't actually make them a "generic Marine chapter".

Yeah when I look at them they just look like space marines. I don't care what their lore says. If I'm a new consumer looking to get into an army. Their whole look just says "female space marines".

Well, it's power armor on a human.

Were you NOT expecting full plate?

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeah when I look at them they just look like space marines.

Maybe it's you that's boring, then, because I see tons of differences, visual, between the two. There's a large stylistic difference between Sororitas power armor and Astartes power armor, even as both very clearly signify as Imperial. The shoulders, the boots, the gloves, the helmets, the torso, the cloth portions-- the only part that's the same is the backpack, really, and even then, only fo the common sisters, as Canonesses often have very unique backpacks themselves.

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeah when I look at them they just look like space marines. I don't care what their lore says. If I'm a new consumer looking to get into an army. Their whole look just says "female space marines".

Er.

No? At least not to me. But then this boils down to a subjective interpretation of their aesthetic.

 Gen.Steiner wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeah when I look at them they just look like space marines. I don't care what their lore says. If I'm a new consumer looking to get into an army. Their whole look just says "female space marines".

Er.

No? At least not to me. But then this boils down to a subjective interpretation of their aesthetic.

Well, if you look at them the right way, they are pretty much identical.

It's just that that "right way" involves distilling both down to "powerful human in high-tech plate armor with a big gun."

Which basically means you'd have to purposefully avoid recognizing that many of the very important differences in aesthetic and lore are actually differences.