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 Manchu wrote:
I guess this is the part that I don't get:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If that's the case, then the bobs don't matter either...

Why would the designer of the Sister Hospitaller fig having pulled elements from the Sister Sin drawing mean that the bobs don't matter?

I don't see the connection that you are trying to make. I don't think that the Sister Hospitalier was designed from Sister Sin. At all.

But if you are going to say that it was, then the tenuousness of the design connection is so weak that future designs could eliminate bobs entirely (my preference) without any issues, while still be true to the source material and previous figures.

The whole "Sisters wouldn't sell" argument doesn't really work in an age of Allies. Space Marines are what GW pulls in almost all of its profit from, but I highly, highly doubt we'd have ever seen Mechanicus nor even Imperial Knights if it weren't for the success of Space Marine players. loathe as I am to say it, purchasing those units to 'ally' with their fifty shades of bolter.

I imagine if the Mechanicus were a success, then the Sisters of Battle would be also... provided they're powerful enough.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
But if you are going to say that it was, then the tenuousness of the design connection is so weak that future designs could eliminate bobs entirely (my preference) without any issues, while still be true to the source material and previous figures.

You seem to think I am arguing that the Sister Hospitaller is "true to the source material" because the "source material" is Sister Sin.

I don't consider Sister Sin to be anything but a joke that fortunately did not get carried forward. Apart from some high-level factors (being female, wearing power armor, the fleur de lis), Sister Sin is clearly irrelevant to the iconic Sister design. She's on the dustbin of GW history, next to Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau, etc.

But sure, a GW artist could look back to Sister Sin and draw some inspiration from there - indeed, I think that is a possible explanation for the wimple/gasmask combination on the Sister Hospitaller.

Just as long as they don't pull form the dialogous. That would be a sin against humanity.

i like the bobs, the Hospitaller, and Sister Sin...
there is no way to please everyone...

i just wish they would finally roll out some plastics, and see what happens
the plastic redesign turned out great for the Dark Eldar, maybe the Sisters will be just as inspirational to the designers...
i think they are a great addition to the setting, providing an elite, badass female army, which makes a lot of people happy...
we need more of that, not less...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:
i like the bobs, the Hospitaller, and Sister Sin...
there is no way to please everyone...

i just wish they would finally roll out some plastics, and see what happens
the plastic redesign turned out great for the Dark Eldar, maybe the Sisters will be just as inspirational to the designers...
i think they are a great addition to the setting, providing an elite, badass female army, which makes a lot of people happy...
we need more of that, not less...

cheers
jah

Yes. That. Exalted. In the meantime, I'm going to the post office sorting office (heh) today to pick up my eBay'd OOP Imagifer with parchment banner! Then all my Retributors need are three more Heavy Bolters, and a mk 1 Immolator to ride in!

And then I just need to get 6 more Repentia and a Superior to convert into a whip-wielding Castigator (because I am not calling the unit leader a Mistress urrrrggh why GW whyyyyy), and another mk 1 Immolator to give them a Rhino transport...

...and then I need to find a load of Seraphim so I can bring my second squad up to strength!

And then I'll nearly be 'done'!

Oh you poor deluded man. A 40k army is never 'done', which I'm sure is "just as planned"

 War Kitten wrote:
Oh you poor deluded man. A 40k army is never 'done', which I'm sure is "just as planned"

True enough! But unless plastic Sisters get released, I'm pretty sure 10 Celestians, 20 Sisters, 10 Seraphim (in two squads of 5), 10 Repentia, 6 Dominions, 6 Retributors, a Canoness and command squad, and a Living Saint (plus, of course, four Rhinos, three Immolators, and an Exorcist) will be enough to be going on with.

Well, apart from the Arco-Flagellants and Penitent Engine unit I need to get to go with my Ecclesiarchy types... and the rest of the Frateris Militia squad I have... and...

 Cheesecat wrote:
I like this concept art.

That looks more to me like a Necromunda ganger than a SoB. If they're gonna go with something like that, they're gonna have to reduce that armour save

 Gen.Steiner wrote:
I'm pretty sure 10 Celestians, 20 Sisters, 10 Seraphim (in two squads of 5), 10 Repentia, 6 Dominions, 6 Retributors, a Canoness and command squad, and a Living Saint (plus, of course, four Rhinos, three Immolators, and an Exorcist) will be enough to be going on with.

Nice collection! If I were still buying, I'd get a Living Saint to capstone my Sisters.

 Weboflies wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
I like this concept art.

That looks more to me like a Necromunda ganger than a SoB. If they're gonna go with something like that, they're gonna have to reduce that armour save

I would want that as like a special character or another unit not as a core battle sister. I just think it keeps some of the sister's aesthetic while placing a nice deviation from it but I do not think it should represent the main units.

That concept art (Blanche again), is for the Sister Repentia from the 54mm Inquisitor game. It isn't really representative of SIsters of Battle as a whole.

Looks like Jack from Mass Effect.

Which, you know, is not quite what I'd expect off a SoB.

You guys are probably not going to like this: The new WD has that Blanche SoB picture in it.

He still has a job as anything other than visual design? Lord, I get that he has a great imagination, but most of his "artwork", if translated into a human form, would look like what I imagine the wife looked like in "The Colours from Space"

Yeah, it sucks when talentless artists like Blanche and Liefeld get work through personal connections while other, more talented ones make very little.

 Ashiraya wrote:
You guys are probably not going to like this: The new WD has that Blanche SoB picture in it.

Sooo, under what context are Sisters in the new WD?

Not to worry I'm still waiting on plastic sisters.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, it sucks when talentless artists like Blanche and Liefeld get work through personal connections while other, more talented ones make very little.

I don't think comparing John Blanche to Leifeld is accurate because Blanche isn't attempting any sort of realism in his work, where as with Leifled he has too many flaws to even list . Blanche creates how warhammer and warhammer 40k feels rather than how it exactly looks he has a

deliberate almost post-impressionistic quality to his work, his work is not as technical as others but he has used his limitations create a distinct and memorable style. Which to me is is more important as I would rather have a less technical piece of art that produces stronger feelings from

me than one that's more technical but doesn't have as much of an emotional impact. Some people may not like it but one thing you can't say is he's talentless.

People who are expecting this.

To be this.

Are missing the fething point.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
You guys are probably not going to like this: The new WD has that Blanche SoB picture in it.

I'm glad, I like it.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, it sucks when talentless artists like Blanche and Liefeld get work through personal connections while other, more talented ones make very little.

I don't think comparing John Blanche to Leifeld is accurate because Blanche isn't attempting any sort of realism in his work, where as with Leifled he has too many flaws to even list . Blanche creates how warhammer and warhammer 40k feels rather than how it exactly looks he has a

deliberate almost post-impressionistic quality to his work, his work is not as technical as others but he has used his limitations create a distinct and memorable style. Which to me is is more important as I would rather have a less technical piece of art that produces stronger feelings from

me than one that's more technical but doesn't have as much of an emotional impact. Some people may not like it but one thing you can't say is he's talentless.

People who are expecting this.

Spoiler:

To be this.

Spoiler:

Are missing the fething point.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
You guys are probably not going to like this: The new WD has that Blanche SoB picture in it.

I'm glad, I like it.

This is how 40k feels to you?

If Blanches artwork is in a book I tend not to buy it.
I'm not a professional (technically... you can judge for yourself, take a look at my gallery) but if someone tries to sell me art that I can create myself (in less than 30 minutes) I don't see any value and avoid it.

Where does this… abomination come from?

I doubt anyone can create that in less than 30 minutes too much detail in the cheetah pattern leotards and fur hat plus creating that curve in that splatter background. As to how 40k feels to me (I think that's fantasy actually) I don't think that image is the most representative of 40k but I don't

think it's completely unrepresentative either, I mean there's a lot of goofy schlock in that universe and that image has it in abundance.


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Also just because a piece of art has a low skill level required in making it doesn't mean it's not an effective piece, in fact as someone who has crated abstract art before it's much harder than it looks it can be quite time consuming to get nice solid and even colour and clean crisp lines, even if

the end result was mostly simple geometric shapes.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I doubt anyone can create that in less than 30 minutes too much detail in the cheetah pattern leotards and fur hat plus creating that curve in that splatter background. As to how 40k feels to me (I think that's fantasy actually) I don't think that image is the most representative of 40k but I don't

think it's completely unrepresentative either, I mean there's a lot of goofy schlock in that universe and that image has it in abundance.

I could easily complete that image in less than 15 minutes. Even on a 3x5 canvas.

That 'curve' is the standard Blanche "whoops I spilled the red again". The guy only works in black, white and red. Even his personal armies use the same pallet.

You can go on and on about Blanches contributions to the imagery of 40k (that image is a Necromunda image btw and more than likely the inspiration for the First Born) but the truth is Jes Goodwin has created everything that springs to your mind when someone mentions 40k.

All imperial weapons, gear, heraldry and style come right out of Jes Goodwins sketch books. Blanche just came up with t he color schemes of the founding legions back in the '80s.

As an example of time constraints...

This was done on a 15 minute break at work.


That's with people interrupting and Samuri Jack playing on the TV. (I'm easily distracted by cartoons)

 DeffDred wrote:
I could easily complete that image in less than 15 minutes. Even on a 3x5 canvas.

So you're saying you could draw that and shade it in pencil, colour it in inks, glazes, acrylic and water colour, outline it in pen and splatter background that in less that 15 minutes? I don't believe you.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
I could easily complete that image in less than 15 minutes. Even on a 3x5 canvas.

So you're saying you could draw that and shade it in pencil, colour it in inks, glazes, acrylic and water colour, outline it in pen and splatter background that in less that 15 minutes? I don't believe you.

Yes, there are only 4 colors (water colors) and pen and ink.

Probably done on watercolor paper. First a quick sketch (3 minutes) then the line drawing (3 minutes as its all scribbly with no regard for anatomy) maybe 8 minutes if I used a fountain pen.
A few extra minutes for some broad watercolor strokes and a few drops shaken out over the page for some of the "Blanche messiness" then i'd go back and quickly scribble in the leopard spots and furry hat.

Bingo.

Edit, never mind.

 Cheesecat wrote:
That still doesn't account for shading and highlighting.

I don't think you understand how paint (especially watercolors) works.

 DeffDred wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
That still doesn't account for shading and highlighting.

I don't think you understand how paint (especially watercolors) works.

Well, that makes two of us then...

 Cheesecat wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
That still doesn't account for shading and highlighting.

I don't think you understand how paint (especially watercolors) works.

Well, that makes two of us then...

No, I'm well versed in the arts with several years experience with ALL mediums. Sculpting, photography, pen and ink, painting, drawing, stenciling, oils, acrylics, digital, tattoo design.

So let me put it simply... the painting we have been referring to is a mixed media of watercolor and ink. There is no pencil. There is no oil or acrylic. It's a minimalist image of a simple figure.

Its a color by number on a line drawing. Shading water color is adding black and making another stroke. Highlighting is a quick stripe of chalk (or white out).

If I were home I'd have my neighbor record me on my phone to show you exactly how easy it would be to recreate. But alas I'm at work.

 dracpanzer wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
You guys are probably not going to like this: The new WD has that Blanche SoB picture in it.

Sooo, under what context are Sisters in the new WD?

On a page of Blanche stuff.