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 Ashiraya wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:

Sooo, under what context are Sisters in the new WD?

On a page of Blanche stuff.

Thanks, was surprised to see them at all.

@DeffDred, I just want to apologize for my snark I disagreed with you on some of things brought up and got a little heated. I will say this, from what I've seen of your work you have quite a pleasing cartoon style. Anyway about that Blanche piece I would say it's "lesser Blanche" one of his

weaker ones, unlike some of his more iconic works like Amazonia Gothique or The Golden Throne. Just want to add just because something is easy or quick to do doesn't necessarily mean it can't be great. As to my credentials I'm mostly familiar with pencil, ink, collage and acrylic, I have

done a bit with water colour but not that great with it. I used to be fairly productive with it (since I was like 5 years old), but haven't really done much with art in years now. So you're probably more well versed and productive than me. Anyways let's drop this Blanche discussion as it's way off topic

now. Again, I'm sorry.

Just to put down 2 cents of mine.

For a company that produces quite pricy ( if not outrigth insane priced ) models the Sisters of Battle is on the sqaure of that. Sorry but where would get the initive to buy a squad of Sisters, when:

- they cost twice as much as a regular squad of Spaaacee Murines
- their rules are worst in the game
- their army lacks vehicle variants
- you can only buy certain units separatly ( heavy flamers, heavy bolter these are all stuff that Spaaacee Murines get in a separate squad not as induvidual models )
- Lack of boxed specialist squads

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

This picture just describes the best how GW feels about them:

herjan1987 wrote:
Just to put down 2 cents of mine.

For a company that produces quite pricy ( if not outrigth insane priced ) models the Sisters of Battle is on the sqaure of that. Sorry but where would get the initive to buy a squad of Sisters, when:

- they cost twice as much as a regular squad of Spaaacee Murines
- their rules are worst in the game
- their army lacks vehicle variants
- you can only buy certain units separatly ( heavy flamers, heavy bolter these are all stuff that Spaaacee Murines get in a separate squad not as induvidual models )
- Lack of boxed specialist squads

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

Because you like the army.

 ShieldBrother wrote:


Because you like the army.

I like the army, but refuse to pay the price. Sisters of Battle is the pinnacle of the overpriced GW minis ( well if we are talking about squad sized boxes and not AoS, that is a whole new topic ). I am rather scavanging them on ebay then pay GW, the price their asking.

herjan1987 wrote:

 ShieldBrother wrote:


Because you like the army.

I like the army, but refuse to pay the price. Sisters of Battle is the pinnacle of the overpriced GW minis ( well if we are talking about squad sized boxes and not AoS, that is a whole new topic ). I am rather scavanging them on ebay then pay GW, the price their asking.

However, some people like it more than you to the point where they'll pay out the arse for it. That was the point I'm trying to make. No one can change your stance on this because you've already made your decision.

herjan1987 wrote:
Just to put down 2 cents of mine.

For a company that produces quite pricy ( if not outrigth insane priced ) models the Sisters of Battle is on the sqaure of that. Sorry but where would get the initive to buy a squad of Sisters, when:

- they cost twice as much as a regular squad of Spaaacee Murines
- their rules are worst in the game
- their army lacks vehicle variants
- you can only buy certain units separatly ( heavy flamers, heavy bolter these are all stuff that Spaaacee Murines get in a separate squad not as induvidual models )
- Lack of boxed specialist squads

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

This picture just describes the best how GW feels about them:



Great pic but

- their rules are worst in the game - they really are not - they just don't have the super cheese formations of the 7.5 Codexes. They are quite a solid army - a few more choice and the same advantages ladeled out to the 7.5 codexes adn they would be very powerful

 Mr Morden wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:
Just to put down 2 cents of mine.

For a company that produces quite pricy ( if not outrigth insane priced ) models the Sisters of Battle is on the sqaure of that. Sorry but where would get the initive to buy a squad of Sisters, when:

- they cost twice as much as a regular squad of Spaaacee Murines
- their rules are worst in the game
- their army lacks vehicle variants
- you can only buy certain units separatly ( heavy flamers, heavy bolter these are all stuff that Spaaacee Murines get in a separate squad not as induvidual models )
- Lack of boxed specialist squads

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

This picture just describes the best how GW feels about them:

Great pic but

- their rules are worst in the game - they really are not - they just don't have the super cheese formations of the 7.5 Codexes. They are quite a solid army - a few more choice and the same advantages ladeled out to the 7.5 codexes adn they would be very powerful

Watched a Harleqiun vs Sisters battle report on miniwargaming. Sisters were basicly moped.

herjan1987 wrote:
Just to put down 2 cents of mine.

For a company that produces quite pricy ( if not outrigth insane priced ) models the Sisters of Battle is on the sqaure of that. Sorry but where would get the initive to buy a squad of Sisters, when:

- they cost twice as much as a regular squad of Spaaacee Murines
- their rules are worst in the game
- their army lacks vehicle variants
- you can only buy certain units separatly ( heavy flamers, heavy bolter these are all stuff that Spaaacee Murines get in a separate squad not as induvidual models )
- Lack of boxed specialist squads

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

Boob armor

Honestly though, I suspect Adepta Sororitas are fielded by people that want to be different and field something none of their friends are.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Interesting a split on how grimdark (tm) we want our Sisters models. I think the shaved head, the implants, the unnecessary detailing make the model more grimdark, and more 40k.

Really, it's the difference between butch and femme.

Exactly. Pretty sure most women in the military today get their heads shaved or super cute at the very least. The only part not making them men is the breast plate going that route.

As someone whose hair was until yesterday long enough to almost reach the waist, believe me when I say it gets stuck everywhere and tries to get into your mouth and eyes the moment the wind stops blowing in your face. It still is, in fact, and now it is only a bit past shoulder length.

You do not want that in war. Some might be zealous enough to do it anyway, but Darwin will show little mercy on them.

herjan1987 wrote:

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

They're the only power armor army that actually has armor that looks like armor a human being could wear. Now if only they would wear their helmets.

John Prins wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

They're the only power armor army that actually has armor that looks like armor a human being could wear. Now if only they would wear their helmets.

Silly addendum to this: I think the reason I end up playing female models/elves in so many miniatures games is that they're the ones that don't look cartoonishly deformed. Stretched and boneless, sometimes (see: Harlequins), but proportioned like people.

John Prins wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

They're the only power armor army that actually has armor that looks like armor a human being could wear. Now if only they would wear their helmets.

Some of them wear helmets and yes there are the second plauseble army in 40k. First being Imperial Guard. That it the reason why I like them. Doesnt change the fact that they are insanly priced.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Exactly. Pretty sure most women in the military today get their heads shaved

From what I've seen (and I have seen quite a bit, both on the internet and IRL), women in the US Army have hair styles no different than women in civilian life-- buns and tails are more common perhaps, but they're fairly common in business settings, too. Hair that is not tied back is a little bit shorter maybe, but almost never shaved.

edit: here's a good example.

Note that they all have it tied up in buns if it is not short, though.

So? What does that have with the post I was responding to?

I was not disagreeing with you, I was simply adding that 'buns are more common' is a major understatement!

I could deal with Sisters with buns.

They could even do the many hairstyles of Princess Leia

herjan1987 wrote:

John Prins wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

They're the only power armor army that actually has armor that looks like armor a human being could wear. Now if only they would wear their helmets.

Some of them wear helmets and yes there are the second plauseble army in 40k. First being Imperial Guard. That it the reason why I like them. Doesnt change the fact that they are insanly priced.

They are insanely priced. The double whammy is that it's a high model count army, b/c you need a lot of gals with guns to make it work.

Simply put, buy second-hand and strip minis down to bare metal if you have to. There really isn't any other option, given how GW has priced them out of the market.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I was not disagreeing with you, I was simply adding that 'buns are more common' is a major understatement!

That's fair.

 DeffDred wrote:


This is how 40k feels to you?

It's a Blanche, all right!

Although, having the female posed to "present" is new...


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John Prins wrote:
They're the only power armor army that actually has armor that looks like armor a human being could wear. Now if only they would wear their helmets.

Unlike Dark Reapers / Fire Dragons / Striking Scorpions? Riight...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


Unlike Dark Reapers / Fire Dragons / Striking Scorpions? Riight...

Eldar armor tends to be severely wasp-waisted and wide shouldered - which isn't at odds with Eldar physiology (that much), but might prove a problem for humans.

Obviously proportion takes a bit of a holiday when you're talking about scale miniatures, but Sisters PA looks decently proportioned. I wish they'd try harder with Space Marines.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/512687.page

My Eldar are the RT/2E models:

I don't find them "severely" wasp-waisted and broad-shouldered, aside from the ornamental look. While the typical Space Elf is slimmer than a human, they're just very lean. A similarly athletically lean human should manage it.

 DeffDred wrote:


This is how 40k feels to you?

I always kinda liked the Femme Militant characters but then, I don't mind Blanche's art either so... I forget if the range was ever specifically 40K related though or just more about JB's artwork??



Really like Mona though:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
My Eldar are the RT/2E models:

Looking at the scorpions, you see the thin waist and V-shaped torso. The more recent sculpts go a bit further. Maybe eldar are shaped like that, but most humans aren't.

 DeffDred wrote:


You can go on and on about Blanches contributions to the imagery of 40k (that image is a Necromunda image btw and more than likely the inspiration for the First Born) but the truth is Jes Goodwin has created everything that springs to your mind when someone mentions 40k.

All imperial weapons, gear, heraldry and style come right out of Jes Goodwins sketch books. Blanche just came up with t he color schemes of the founding legions back in the '80s.

Jes Goodwin is maybe what springs to YOUR mind when someone mentions 40k, but John Blanche is what springs to my mind. His style is intrinsically linked to the lost-history/archivist/ancient parchment style of 40k to me. Even if the weapon designs came from Jes' sketchbook, Blanches style is what makes it for me.

I realise it's a particular narrow style, and if you don't find it visually appealing then I get that, but I much prefer that look to the newer FFG/slightly anime/cartoonish/full colour style we see on the front of the current game boxes.

How long it took to draw and how technically skilled either you or John Blanche are is completely irrelevant.

 DeffDred wrote:
This was done on a 15 minute break at work.

Spoiler:

Internal organs are so overrated ^^.

herjan1987 wrote:

Mon chéri implies male Sisters of Battle

Male sisters of Battle is heresy.

You are an heretic and I will hunt you down and burn you at the stake.

Just kidding ofc, I just wanted to point out the French mistake. Nice funny drawing, though.

 ArbitorIan wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:


You can go on and on about Blanches contributions to the imagery of 40k (that image is a Necromunda image btw and more than likely the inspiration for the First Born) but the truth is Jes Goodwin has created everything that springs to your mind when someone mentions 40k.

All imperial weapons, gear, heraldry and style come right out of Jes Goodwins sketch books. Blanche just came up with t he color schemes of the founding legions back in the '80s.

Jes Goodwin is maybe what springs to YOUR mind when someone mentions 40k, but John Blanche is what springs to my mind. His style is intrinsically linked to the lost-history/archivist/ancient parchment style of 40k to me. Even if the weapon designs came from Jes' sketchbook, Blanches style is what makes it for me.

I realise it's a particular narrow style, and if you don't find it visually appealing then I get that, but I much prefer that look to the newer FFG/slightly anime/cartoonish/full colour style we see on the front of the current game boxes.

How long it took to draw and how technically skilled either you or John Blanche are is completely irrelevant.

totally, Arbitorian

i love Jes' work, and have been lucky enough to pour over many of his sketch books with him over the years...
they are full of amazing concept designs, and some very atmospheric drawings, but for anyone to say that he has "created everything" is not true at all...
John has been a huge influence on the imagery of the Warhammer worlds for over 3 decades, through a variety of styles...
there are also many other artists that have contributed to the iconic style of 40K, such as Adrian Smith, Mark Gibbons, Paul Bonner, Wayne England, Karl Kopinski, and a bunch of others...
so many people have given us so much evocative imagery over the years...

the art history of the last 35 years from GW is actually an amazing journey to take...
not all of it has been of equal technical skill, but it has all been inspirational in one way or another, to me...

now, if someone wants to talk about the concepts for the physical miniatures, including the Sisters, the Jes deserves a ton of credit...
since he was so fundamental in their design process, i think most people will be very happy with the aesthetic of a transition to plastic...
it really is amazing to see how well the details transfer from his drawings to minis!!!
of course, then they will be just as outraged by the current prices as usual, so be careful what you wish for people

cheers
jah

John Prins wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

John Prins wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

Tell me anyone why would I buy them?

They're the only power armor army that actually has armor that looks like armor a human being could wear. Now if only they would wear their helmets.

Some of them wear helmets and yes there are the second plauseble army in 40k. First being Imperial Guard. That it the reason why I like them. Doesnt change the fact that they are insanly priced.

They are insanely priced. The double whammy is that it's a high model count army, b/c you need a lot of gals with guns to make it work.

Simply put, buy second-hand and strip minis down to bare metal if you have to. There really isn't any other option, given how GW has priced them out of the market.

That being said is it just me or are the second hand models on eBay still rather overpriced? I'm guessing due to sellers realising how high the demand is...