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godardc wrote: How could GW forget the Sisters ? They are just one of those little armies.
GW hasn't forgotten them. They just haven't decided whether / how to update them in a way that makes everybody happy, like the gentle femininity of a LFL-like uniform:
I think one challenge with identifying the market size for SoB is that anecdotally they are an army I've heard a number of gamer spouses say they were interested in playing before they realized the challenges of collecting a metal army... And that was before GW started disappearing models from their range. That is to say there is an atypical demographic interested that potentially extends the participating demographic outside the norm. Some went on to play Eldar, others Blood Angels, and others did nothing.
Ashiraya wrote: To be fair, most of this thread is just a couple of people - including me - arguing back and forth. Me, Johnhwang and Manchu together make up about a third of the entire thread. It is not a reliable measure for popularity, especially since the segment of the gaming population hardcore enough to go on gaming forums are not representative either.
Frankly, there really is no point in any one else participating in the thread once it degenerates that far. I'm convinced I know my own mind enough to know I would be happy to have plastic sisters, some other people are convinced they can cite sales figures (that no one seems to have...) to prove I wouldn't, and won't be convinced otherwise. There's nothing left to say, and any attempt to do so will give JohnHwang a flimsy excuse to post still more pinups. So why bother?
godardc wrote: How could GW forget the Sisters ? They are just one of those little armies.
GW hasn't forgotten them. They just haven't decided whether / how to update them in a way that makes everybody happy, like the gentle femininity of a LFL-like uniform:
Well, it's quite embarassing, as a human being living in the 21st century, that this is the uniform feminin athlets wear in the USA.
Do you remember Prodo's Space Crusade ? How can it be the real life ?
Captain Joystick wrote: Frankly, there really is no point in any one else participating in the thread once it degenerates that far
You realize it started out that way, right? This is Sisters of Battle we're talking about. There isn't anything new to discuss. There hasn't been anything new to discuss in a decade. There won't be anything new to discuss for the foreseeable future. And that's the name of hte game.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Well, it's quite embarassing, as a human being living in the 21st century, that this is the uniform feminin athlets wear in the USA. Do you remember Prodo's Space Crusade ? How can it be the real life ?
Melissia wrote: You realize it started out that way, right? This is Sisters of Battle we're talking about. There isn't anything new to discuss. There hasn't been anything new to discuss in a decade. There won't be anything new to discuss for the foreseeable future. And that's the name of hte game.
Noooot really? This thread was a completely different animal when it was only five pages long. For one, I could peek in on it when I was at work (can't risk that now, thanks Hwang)
Well, it's quite embarassing, as a human being living in the 21st century, that this is the uniform feminin athlets wear in the USA.
Do you remember Prodo's Space Crusade ? How can it be the real life ?
Why should anyone be embarrassed? They look great! What, would you have them compete in? Burquas? Burqinis?
Oh, wait, those are illegal in (racist) France...
The racist part is a joke, right? I hope it is.
Once again, we march to war, for Victory or Death!
Never wake yourself at night, unless you are spying on your enemy or looking for a place to relieve yourself. - The Poetic Edda
Well, it's quite embarassing, as a human being living in the 21st century, that this is the uniform feminin athlets wear in the USA.
Do you remember Prodo's Space Crusade ? How can it be the real life ?
They don't get the same uniforms because the organization needs to get some attention somehow. There's really no reason for anyone to stop watching the CFL/NFL in favour of the FFL, so whoever's running the show tried to get more viewers by showing more skin.
Once again, we march to war, for Victory or Death!
Never wake yourself at night, unless you are spying on your enemy or looking for a place to relieve yourself. - The Poetic Edda
Militarum Tempestus, Harlequins, and now Genestealer Cults are all sub-factions there was no demand for a complete codex for, but GW went ahead and produced them anyway, for reasons unfathomable to us down in the trenches. Those resources would have been far better expended on an army that already has a pre-existing player base.
godardc wrote: I think woment shouldn't compet almost naked just for us to see theirs boobs. Why shouldn't they just get the same uniform as thos guys ?
ShieldBrother wrote: They don't get the same uniforms because the organization needs to get some attention somehow. There's really no reason for anyone to stop watching the CFL/NFL in favour of the FFL, so whoever's running the show tried to get more viewers by showing more skin.
In the... very, very off chance that you guys are actually serious, I'll go ahead and point out that the LFL (which stood for Lingerie Football League until 2013) is a gimmick league who's gimmick is bilking college frat bros out of their parents' money by showing women playing football in their underwear.
There are plenty of professional womens' football leagues with actual uniforms, and they're also distinct from the LFL in that they're actually playing football, with full teams, field-goals and everything.
As it stands though, none of these pictures have been of flamethrower wielding nuns, futuristic soldiers in power armour, or 28mm models, so they're not really relevant to this discussion... Save it for when people start speculating as to whether or not Amazons will return in the new Blood Bowl.
Ashiraya wrote: Clearly it's those sleeves taking 20+ years to sculpt.
when that excuse was made it was a technically reasonable assertion. It's very clear GW has a backlog of models they've yet to release and I wouldn't be surprised if SoB were in that backlog. Part of the problem is the way GW has its release schedule, where they seemingly gurantee for 40k a number of space marine releases each year. Then they have AoS and now GW have added boxed games as a priority. The schedule is so packed with things GW see as necessary releases those low priority releases that they're content to bounce from a long forecast scheduled date are that much more likely to get bounced. If the rumor of the new edition are true, attatched to that are rumors that GW doesn't want to release any full sized codices until after that.
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I;m not even really that interested in a new Codex. It's new models, or even just re-releases of the various now OOP versions and figures in the range, that I want to see.
Although a plastic Penitent Engine would be delicious.
Well, it's quite embarassing, as a human being living in the 21st century, that this is the uniform feminin athlets wear in the USA.
Do you remember Prodo's Space Crusade ? How can it be the real life ?
Way back in the 20th century, female athletic uniforms were far more progressive:
That's Women's Volleyball, 1996 Olympics.
This thread went odd very quickly.....
But this needs responding to.
Okay France is a secular nation that bans any sort of religious dress in public places, this includes rosary, and Jewish yarmulke, etc.. not just the burka.
I agree with it is a sane law.
Not only this but France is extremely tolerant to minorities going so far as relocating French citizens to give them housing. So don't call France racist when they are evicting their own people for these "refugees"
More importantly the topic at hand . Some years ago I think there was a test sculpt of SoB that either Harry or Hastings saw (I think ) but it never appeared. I think the image is just a stock one. Sisters are dead.
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Ashiraya wrote: Clearly it's those sleeves taking 20+ years to sculpt.
when that excuse was made it was a technically reasonable assertion. It's very clear GW has a backlog of models they've yet to release and I wouldn't be surprised if SoB were in that backlog. Part of the problem is the way GW has its release schedule, where they seemingly gurantee for 40k a number of space marine releases each year. Then they have AoS and now GW have added boxed games as a priority. The schedule is so packed with things GW see as necessary releases those low priority releases that they're content to bounce from a long forecast scheduled date are that much more likely to get bounced. If the rumor of the new edition are true, attatched to that are rumors that GW doesn't want to release any full sized codices until after that.
That doesn't make a lot of sense, as the molds for one product line don't impact the molds for another. There's nothing stopping GW from having simultaneous AoS and 40k product launches. Having seen a small studio like RH crank out tens of thousands of models for a wide range of sculpts in a couple months, I know it's not a production resources issue... unless GW somehow has smaller production facilities than Raging Heroes, which also doesn't make any sense, given the relative size and scales of these companies. The Sisters entire catalog of models is so small as to be insignificant on a production schedule and, as GW doesn't do any market research, it's not like they know how many of each they'll need to produce to meet demand, so there's nothing stopping them from spinning up the molds and doing a ten thousand unit run of each sprue and then sending them off to the packaging plant.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Ashiraya wrote: Clearly it's those sleeves taking 20+ years to sculpt.
when that excuse was made it was a technically reasonable assertion. It's very clear GW has a backlog of models they've yet to release and I wouldn't be surprised if SoB were in that backlog. Part of the problem is the way GW has its release schedule, where they seemingly gurantee for 40k a number of space marine releases each year. Then they have AoS and now GW have added boxed games as a priority. The schedule is so packed with things GW see as necessary releases those low priority releases that they're content to bounce from a long forecast scheduled date are that much more likely to get bounced. If the rumor of the new edition are true, attatched to that are rumors that GW doesn't want to release any full sized codices until after that.
That doesn't make a lot of sense, as the molds for one product line don't impact the molds for another. There's nothing stopping GW from having simultaneous AoS and 40k product launches. Having seen a small studio like RH crank out tens of thousands of models for a wide range of sculpts in a couple months, I know it's not a production resources issue... unless GW somehow has smaller production facilities than Raging Heroes, which also doesn't make any sense, given the relative size and scales of these companies. The Sisters entire catalog of models is so small as to be insignificant on a production schedule and, as GW doesn't do any market research, it's not like they know how many of each they'll need to produce to meet demand, so there's nothing stopping them from spinning up the molds and doing a ten thousand unit run of each sprue and then sending them off to the packaging plant.
GW has made a choice, it doesn't want to release more than a certain number of models or new product each week. They also don't want AoS to compete with 40k; they want all you're attention on one product line at a time. GW has a skewed sense of its customer base. It doesn't see its customer base as wargamers or hobbyists it sees it customers as GW-hobbyists... So they believe simultaneous releases from multiple product lines is unnecessary self competing. They don't really acknowledge things released by other companies and don't really believe they're competing with them. So their releases are very meandering and have an unresponsive pace to them.
So what's happening is their design studio is obviously outpacing their release schedule. The copyright date stamp on a number of products in the last couple year are several years old. Assuming the oldest stuff we've seen released this years is when the backlog started they probably have over a year of product or production ready designs just waiting to be put into production. That's before you consider the reality of shifting priorities in the development process. One or two designers could be splitting their time between AoS and Sister of Battle models and keep getting dragged off the latter for the former.
This thread went odd very quickly.....
But this needs responding to.
It was blatant bait, if anything it needed to be ignored.
Psienesis wrote: There's nothing stopping GW from having simultaneous AoS and 40k product launches. Having seen a small studio like RH crank out tens of thousands of models for a wide range of sculpts in a couple months, I know it's not a production resources issue... unless GW somehow has smaller production facilities than Raging Heroes, which also doesn't make any sense, given the relative size and scales of these companies. The Sisters entire catalog of models is so small as to be insignificant on a production schedule and, as GW doesn't do any market research, it's not like they know how many of each they'll need to produce to meet demand, so there's nothing stopping them from spinning up the molds and doing a ten thousand unit run of each sprue and then sending them off to the packaging plant.
GW actually spends a lot of time to build up the stock for a new release. Check the date stamp on a ghostkeel sprue that model was complete and being printed for years before it was released to market.
Captain Joystick wrote: GW actually spends a lot of time to build up the stock for a new release. Check the date stamp on a ghostkeel sprue that model was complete and being printed for years before it was released to market.
It's been ten years. They don't need ten years to build up the stock necessary unless they're going to try to LITERALLY flood the market with sisters miniatures, and crush their enemies under the weight of a thousand tons of plastic.
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migooo wrote: Not only this but France is extremely tolerant to minorities
Haha, no.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Captain Joystick wrote: GW actually spends a lot of time to build up the stock for a new release. Check the date stamp on a ghostkeel sprue that model was complete and being printed for years before it was released to market.
It's been ten years. They don't need ten years to build up the stock necessary unless they're going to try to LITERALLY flood the market with sisters miniatures, and crush their enemies under the weight of a thousand tons of plastic.
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migooo wrote: Not only this but France is extremely tolerant to minorities
Haha, no.
Yes the fact they still allow hundreds of thousands run rampant without any recourse is such a horrific thing to those poor "minorities"
Please stop acting like the US knows anything regarding the madness that Merkel created. But yes they evil because they want to keep their country secular.
Go to Calais and see the destruction go. But you wont. I have.
Anyway if you want we can discuss this via PM.
Back again to topic at hand
It's possible that some sisters exist but I doubt it. The only reason DE got a reboot was they were championed by someone. Sisters do not have that person.
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