#1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

Of course there are female soldiers, but it doesn't make GW have to pump out 50% female guard sculpts.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

So nature is sexist? Oh my...

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


Citation needed.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
The same can be said for my argument though, it's a fictional setting and therefore you have no proof that any of that stuff happened either.

And no science needed to be done, put your average man and woman through training, the man will do better.

(not saying women did not contribute, they were huge for the war effort)

the_scotsman wrote:
Not to mention there is an incredibly good reason WHY men and women would be considered equal in the guard: the imperial tithe. 10% of the population has to go. Remember what happened to the population of France, Germany and England after the world wars when all the young men in a generation died?

The guard just does. Not. Care that one man is some percentage physically stronger than one woman. Can the woman move in a formation of tens of thousands? Can the woman fire a recoilless laser rifle by rank? Congratulations! You're in the guard!

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Citation needed.

If any regiment survives for long enough, it can eventually receive reinforcement from children born to the Guardsmen who have been raised inside the regiment and can normally be expected to join it upon reaching the required age. These new recruits, officially designated as "probiters", but more commonly called Whiteshields, are formed into their own platoons where they receive their latter combat training by taking part in actual combat, until they are ready to join the regiment as Guardsmen proper.[5]

Besides the Gothic English style that was popular for the time that 40k is based on? And that the Emperor started on Earth, a mainly English dominated planet? Besides that, no.

BossJakadakk wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

Of course there are female soldiers, but it doesn't make GW have to pump out 50% female guard sculpts.

I agree, but people aren't asking for 50%. They're asking for "more." I'm just pointing out that your arguments lack credibility and validity.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

So nature is sexist? Oh my...

Um. Yes? I asked you for the science you asserted existed at the time the draft was implemented. You said there wasn't any, so basically invalidated your point. If it wasn't studied, it was based entirely on anecdotal evidence, meaning broad assumptions were made so as to not include women.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


Citation needed.

Yes, indeed. We're all still waiting eagerly on yours that proves your claim that women can't be equal in a fictional universe as well.

TheCustomLime wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
The same can be said for my argument though, it's a fictional setting and therefore you have no proof that any of that stuff happened either.

And no science needed to be done, put your average man and woman through training, the man will do better.

(not saying women did not contribute, they were huge for the war effort)

Science also says that biotech doesn't work, there is no such thing as the Warp and large walkers are horribly impractical as machines of war. We all have to give up our natural understanding of the universe in many other areas of 40k. Female soldiers in 40k is somehow a deal breaker for you?

Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Citation needed.

I distinctly recall an old IG Codex having a specific mention of how many Imperial Guard regiments have women and some are female entirely, and though the Abbithan Banshees don't have their own Lexicanum article I found exactly one reference to the actual genders of Imperial Guardsmen.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astra_Militarum

If any regiment survives for long enough, it can eventually receive reinforcement from children born to the Guardsmen who have been raised inside the regiment and can normally be expected to join it upon reaching the required age. These new recruits, officially designated as "probiters", but more commonly called Whiteshields, are formed into their own platoons where they receive their latter combat training by taking part in actual combat, until they are ready to join the regiment as Guardsmen proper.[5]

This means that there are enough women in the Imperial Guard for reinforcements from female Guardsmen giving birth and those children reaching the required age is common enough for there to be an official term and separate command structure for those children.

Which means there are a hell of a lot of women in the Imperial Guard.

Besides the Gothic English style that was popular for the time that 40k is based on? And that the Emperor started on Earth, a mainly English dominated planet? Besides that, no.

At the time the Emperor was born, English was not actually a language anyone spoke yet and the Roman Empire was not even a thing.

 Blacksails wrote:
But...haven't you also stated that you primarily and overwhelmingly play at home? Plus, unless you live near literally the worst GW ever, I can't imagine any owner refusing you a table because you have some heads swapped out.

I don't know why you'd refuse to work with resin, especially the likes of Vic Minis, but sure I guess. The options are there anyways, and they're excellent.

I hope for your sake you overcome your dislike of resin because it would single-handedly fix your issue with not having enough female guard.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
They lack validity? I'm basing mine off what little evidence I can from today, and yours is "Hey, it's fictional so anything goes" which could entirely go my way too.

I didn't check if there was any because I know basic human nature that men are stronger than women, and thus you can infer that they probably wanted their strongest people on the front, and the instinctively nurturing people on the backlines caring for the soldiers and keeping the grease in the wheels back home. I'm not going to the efforts of proving common sense by googling some random study.

See first sentence.

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TheCustomLime wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
The same can be said for my argument though, it's a fictional setting and therefore you have no proof that any of that stuff happened either.

And no science needed to be done, put your average man and woman through training, the man will do better.

(not saying women did not contribute, they were huge for the war effort)

Science also says that biotech doesn't work, there is no such thing as the Warp and large walkers are horribly impractical as machines of war. We all have to give up our natural understanding of the universe in many other areas of 40k. Female soldiers in 40k is somehow a deal breaker for you?

For the last time, yes, they exist, yes they will continue to exist, but I'm trying to make a point of why GW sells man dominated sculpts.

Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Citation needed.

I distinctly recall an old IG Codex having a specific mention of how many Imperial Guard regiments have women and some are female entirely, and though the Abbithan Banshees don't have their own Lexicanum article I found exactly one reference to the actual genders of Imperial Guardsmen.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astra_Militarum

If any regiment survives for long enough, it can eventually receive reinforcement from children born to the Guardsmen who have been raised inside the regiment and can normally be expected to join it upon reaching the required age. These new recruits, officially designated as "probiters", but more commonly called Whiteshields, are formed into their own platoons where they receive their latter combat training by taking part in actual combat, until they are ready to join the regiment as Guardsmen proper.[5]

This means that there are enough women in the Imperial Guard for reinforcements from female Guardsmen giving birth and those children reaching the required age is common enough for there to be an official term and separate command structure for those children.

Which means there are a hell of a lot of women in the Imperial Guard.

Besides the Gothic English style that was popular for the time that 40k is based on? And that the Emperor started on Earth, a mainly English dominated planet? Besides that, no.

At the time the Emperor was born, English was not actually a language anyone spoke yet and the Roman Empire was not even a thing.

So? He still existed in a world that was eventually dominated by English.

 Pouncey wrote:
I would like to play at my local GW someday when my anxiety issues don't make it a problem. I don't want to walk in there my first day, have someone point out my female Guard have non-GW heads, and then have it be an issue resulting in me either not being able to play there or having to recreate my entire army. Also whenever I've bought a third-party model to use in my games at home, I've always made sure I have the official equivalent even though I have no intent of using it at home. I have female Crusaders from Reaper Minis, yet I still bought the same number of actual Crusader models just in case. I can't and won't do that for the bulk of an army whose infantry are classed in the "Horde" category.

Resin requires superglue. My fingers have always had bad experiences with GW superglue due to clunkiness, and the only thing that using a high-quality non-GW superglue and accelerator would do is make it so that I have to contact a hospital to get my fingers unstuck from my models every single time I make a miniature, instead of being able to pry my fingers off on my own and scrape off the crappy GW superglue under a hot tap with liberal amounts of soap.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


They lack validity? I'm basing mine off what little evidence I can from today, and yours is "Hey, it's fictional so anything goes" which could entirely go my way too.

I didn't check if there was any because I know basic human nature that men are stronger than women, and thus you can infer that they probably wanted their strongest people on the front, and the instinctively nurturing people on the backlines caring for the soldiers and keeping the grease in the wheels back home. I'm not going to the efforts of proving common sense by googling some random study.

See first sentence.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
But...haven't you also stated that you primarily and overwhelmingly play at home? Plus, unless you live near literally the worst GW ever, I can't imagine any owner refusing you a table because you have some heads swapped out.

I don't know why you'd refuse to work with resin, especially the likes of Vic Minis, but sure I guess. The options are there anyways, and they're excellent.

I hope for your sake you overcome your dislike of resin because it would single-handedly fix your issue with not having enough female guard.

I would like to play at my local GW someday when my anxiety issues don't make it a problem. I don't want to walk in there my first day, have someone point out my female Guard have non-GW heads, and then have it be an issue resulting in me either not being able to play there or having to recreate my entire army. Also whenever I've bought a third-party model to use in my games at home, I've always made sure I have the official equivalent even though I have no intent of using it at home. I have female Crusaders from Reaper Minis, yet I still bought the same number of actual Crusader models just in case. I can't and won't do that for the bulk of an army whose infantry are classed in the "Horde" category.

Resin requires superglue. My fingers have always had bad experiences with GW superglue due to clunkiness, and the only thing that using a high-quality non-GW superglue and accelerator would do is make it so that I have to contact a hospital to get my fingers unstuck from my models every single time I make a miniature, instead of being able to pry my fingers off on my own and scrape off the crappy GW superglue under a hot tap with liberal amounts of soap.


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 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
They lack validity? I'm basing mine off what little evidence I can from today, and yours is "Hey, it's fictional so anything goes" which could entirely go my way too.

I didn't check if there was any because I know basic human nature that men are stronger than women, and thus you can infer that they probably wanted their strongest people on the front, and the instinctively nurturing people on the backlines caring for the soldiers and keeping the grease in the wheels back home. I'm not going to the efforts of proving common sense by googling some random study.

See first sentence.

1. We have plenty of things which science says does not exist today which exist in the 40k universe.
2. The lore is how we know anything about the 40k universe, and the lore says that female Guard are very plentiful.
3. You are willing to accept "the lore says they don't" as to why female Space Marines don't exist, yet are unwilling to accept, "the lore says they do," as to why female Guardsmen exist in large numbers. You are being hypocritical.

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TheCustomLime wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
The same can be said for my argument though, it's a fictional setting and therefore you have no proof that any of that stuff happened either.

And no science needed to be done, put your average man and woman through training, the man will do better.

(not saying women did not contribute, they were huge for the war effort)

Science also says that biotech doesn't work, there is no such thing as the Warp and large walkers are horribly impractical as machines of war. We all have to give up our natural understanding of the universe in many other areas of 40k. Female soldiers in 40k is somehow a deal breaker for you?

For the last time, yes, they exist, yes they will continue to exist, but I'm trying to make a point of why GW sells man dominated sculpts.

No, you've been trying to make a point of why female IG don't make sense in the lore. Including in your very post.

Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Citation needed.

I distinctly recall an old IG Codex having a specific mention of how many Imperial Guard regiments have women and some are female entirely, and though the Abbithan Banshees don't have their own Lexicanum article I found exactly one reference to the actual genders of Imperial Guardsmen.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astra_Militarum

If any regiment survives for long enough, it can eventually receive reinforcement from children born to the Guardsmen who have been raised inside the regiment and can normally be expected to join it upon reaching the required age. These new recruits, officially designated as "probiters", but more commonly called Whiteshields, are formed into their own platoons where they receive their latter combat training by taking part in actual combat, until they are ready to join the regiment as Guardsmen proper.[5]

This means that there are enough women in the Imperial Guard for reinforcements from female Guardsmen giving birth and those children reaching the required age is common enough for there to be an official term and separate command structure for those children.

Which means there are a hell of a lot of women in the Imperial Guard.

Besides the Gothic English style that was popular for the time that 40k is based on? And that the Emperor started on Earth, a mainly English dominated planet? Besides that, no.

At the time the Emperor was born, English was not actually a language anyone spoke yet and the Roman Empire was not even a thing.

So? He still existed in a world that was eventually dominated by English.

Just because English dominates international communications today (the most commonly-known language in the world right now isn't even English, it's one of the two Chinese languages) does not mean that will always be the case.

Latin was once the international language during the days of the Roman Empire, and no one actually speaks it now because it's a dead language.

 Blacksails wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
I would like to play at my local GW someday when my anxiety issues don't make it a problem. I don't want to walk in there my first day, have someone point out my female Guard have non-GW heads, and then have it be an issue resulting in me either not being able to play there or having to recreate my entire army. Also whenever I've bought a third-party model to use in my games at home, I've always made sure I have the official equivalent even though I have no intent of using it at home. I have female Crusaders from Reaper Minis, yet I still bought the same number of actual Crusader models just in case. I can't and won't do that for the bulk of an army whose infantry are classed in the "Horde" category.

Sounds like you need to go and at least talk to the manager at the GW. Regardless of when you intend to play there, having some doubt that you'll be refused for some non-standard heads is stopping you from even trying options to make the army you want. Plus, if you are going to primarily play at home anyways, you'd think that'd be your priority for building your army. All that said, every single GW I've been to or heard about has been 100% fine with conversions of that order. Where they get touchy is entire squads of 3rd party minis, like my all Vic Minis army. Ultimately though, give them a call or stop by and ask. Or, just show up and play and see if anyone even notices or cares.

Resin requires superglue. My fingers have always had bad experiences with GW superglue due to clunkiness, and the only thing that using a high-quality non-GW superglue and accelerator would do is make it so that I have to contact a hospital to get my fingers unstuck from my models every single time I make a miniature, instead of being able to pry my fingers off on my own and scrape off the crappy GW superglue under a hot tap with liberal amounts of soap.

I don't know how you hobby, but I buy non-GW superglue that doesn't require an accelerator and has either an applicator type brush or a really long nose/spout that only lets out small amounts unless you squeeze super hard.

If that's what's stopping you from using resin, then so be it, but I think having to put a drop of superglue in the bowl shaped hole a Guard model's head sits in is hardly something to stop you or have to go to the hospital over.

All I'm saying is that you have perfect options to fix your problem and that the only barrier is likely you, barring your GW being literally located in hell and run by Satan who inspects your receipts to check you've spent your monthly allotment on GW items.

BossJakadakk wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


They lack validity? I'm basing mine off what little evidence I can from today, and yours is "Hey, it's fictional so anything goes" which could entirely go my way too.

I didn't check if there was any because I know basic human nature that men are stronger than women, and thus you can infer that they probably wanted their strongest people on the front, and the instinctively nurturing people on the backlines caring for the soldiers and keeping the grease in the wheels back home. I'm not going to the efforts of proving common sense by googling some random study.

See first sentence.

My evidence is from the fictional universe we're talking about. Valid 100% when talking about said fictional universe. Your evidence is from real life. Valid *up to* 100% depending on how the people who make up the fictional universe feel about it. Valid 0% when used to say "They're weaker now so will for sure be weaker then." Assumption, and the fictional universe doesn't provide us evidence to agree with you. I guess that doesn't technically mean they're not weaker, but clearly women are strong enough in 40k.

"What are women gonna do when confronted by a man" or whatever thing you said a few pages back. They're gonna fight. The very question implies they would simply roll over and die while whimpering "But I am woman, he too strong..."

Oh, didn't check? Then here's some facts I didn't check. The women wanted to enlist but weren't allowed and so had to compromise by being allowed to care for and tend to the wounded, even though they wanted to fight for their country. It's common sense.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

And I was saying what the government wanted, not the citizens. I'm sure a lot of women wanted to defend themselves and their countries from invaders. It's common sense.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

It's only Chinese because they breed like rabbits over there

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Oh my lord, did you not read any of my posts in full? Fine, I'll just spell it out for you.

I, #1SHIELDBROTHER3++ FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THERE IS FEMALE GUARDSMEN, AND I ACCEPT THAT. Can we get over that now? It doesn't make sense but so does 10 story high dogs with laser cannons.

It's only Chinese because they breed like rabbits over there, however most foreign countries teach English and some of the arguably most important countries have it as their primary language. And in 40k apparently Latin didn't die, there is stuff named latin stuff that translates to english all the time. Ferrus Manus=Iron Hand.

 Pouncey wrote:

My GW is actually one of the most friendly given the stories I've heard on the forums. My concern regarding their attitude hasn't been that they'll be evil, but it's my constant worry with my social anxiety that some sort of situation will arise that will result in not being able to play there or having to replace almost all of my army to do so.

Also I actually did buy a few packs of Abbithan Banshees from Chapterhouse. I couldn't get them to fit together properly due to it requiring a massive amount of work (for me, anyways) to make the parts fit flush and even the ones that did required Cadian arms that were ridiculously too big for them, and the weapon arms didn't even connect right in a lot of cases. With plastic models, the parts not fitting flush doesn't matter much since the glue actually melts some of the plastic to MAKE them fit flush. A number of years ago I was going to order some of the female plastic IG Cadians from the people who were modifying the official ones, because they seemed perfect in every way, until I found out they'd pretty much disappeared from the Internet years before, had a huge backlog of orders when they were around, and required contacting the creators personally to order them.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

BossJakadakk wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


They lack validity? I'm basing mine off what little evidence I can from today, and yours is "Hey, it's fictional so anything goes" which could entirely go my way too.

I didn't check if there was any because I know basic human nature that men are stronger than women, and thus you can infer that they probably wanted their strongest people on the front, and the instinctively nurturing people on the backlines caring for the soldiers and keeping the grease in the wheels back home. I'm not going to the efforts of proving common sense by googling some random study.

See first sentence.

My evidence is from the fictional universe we're talking about. Valid 100% when talking about said fictional universe. Your evidence is from real life. Valid *up to* 100% depending on how the people who make up the fictional universe feel about it. Valid 0% when used to say "They're weaker now so will for sure be weaker then." Assumption, and the fictional universe doesn't provide us evidence to agree with you. I guess that doesn't technically mean they're not weaker, but clearly women are strong enough in 40k.

"What are women gonna do when confronted by a man" or whatever thing you said a few pages back. They're gonna fight. The very question implies they would simply roll over and die while whimpering "But I am woman, he too strong..."

Oh, didn't check? Then here's some facts I didn't check. The women wanted to enlist but weren't allowed and so had to compromise by being allowed to care for and tend to the wounded, even though they wanted to fight for their country. It's common sense.

That is you implying she would roll over, not me. Nice freudian slip though. I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.

And I was saying what the government wanted, not the citizens. I'm sure a lot of women wanted to defend themselves and their countries from invaders. It's common sense.

BossJakadakk wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

And I was saying what the government wanted, not the citizens. I'm sure a lot of women wanted to defend themselves and their countries from invaders. It's common sense.

You were saying there was science behind it, not that it was an arbitrary "what the government wanted."


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 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

It's only Chinese because they breed like rabbits over there

We're all animals, really.

Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Oh my lord, did you not read any of my posts in full? Fine, I'll just spell it out for you.

I, #1SHIELDBROTHER3++ FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THERE IS FEMALE GUARDSMEN, AND I ACCEPT THAT. Can we get over that now? It doesn't make sense but so does 10 story high dogs with laser cannons.

Then why are we even having this discussion about how you think female Guardsmen shouldn't be a thing if you're totally okay with it being a thing?

It's only Chinese because they breed like rabbits over there, however most foreign countries teach English and some of the arguably most important countries have it as their primary language. And in 40k apparently Latin didn't die, there is stuff named latin stuff that translates to english all the time. Ferrus Manus=Iron Hand.

And the fact that you know that "Ferrus Manus" is faux Latin for "Iron Hand" is because we still have a record of Latin and its words' various meanings. It's also used in various fields of science to describe various thing. And we have a rough idea of its grammar as a written language.

But not a single human being still alive on this planet knows how any of it is supposed to be pronounced, and every time you've ever heard someone say something in Latin, they're completely guessing as to how it's pronounced based on how their own language would pronounce the same word.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

That is you implying she would roll over, not me. Nice freudian slip though. I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.

 Blacksails wrote:
Try Vic Minis. Crisp, perfectly suited and designed to mix with GW plastic.

Anyways, your solution is out there. Whether you want to put the work in is up to you.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

BossJakadakk wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

And I was saying what the government wanted, not the citizens. I'm sure a lot of women wanted to defend themselves and their countries from invaders. It's common sense.

You were saying there was science behind it, not that it was an arbitrary "what the government wanted."


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 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

It's only Chinese because they breed like rabbits over there

We're all animals, really.

It was what the government wanted because it was scientifically the best thing to do logically.

BossJakadakk wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.

Citation needed on the scientifics. But all right. What if you wanted to be a man in that situation, but weren't? Women just auto-lose? Is that the common sense?

Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

BossJakadakk wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


They lack validity? I'm basing mine off what little evidence I can from today, and yours is "Hey, it's fictional so anything goes" which could entirely go my way too.

I didn't check if there was any because I know basic human nature that men are stronger than women, and thus you can infer that they probably wanted their strongest people on the front, and the instinctively nurturing people on the backlines caring for the soldiers and keeping the grease in the wheels back home. I'm not going to the efforts of proving common sense by googling some random study.

See first sentence.

My evidence is from the fictional universe we're talking about. Valid 100% when talking about said fictional universe. Your evidence is from real life. Valid *up to* 100% depending on how the people who make up the fictional universe feel about it. Valid 0% when used to say "They're weaker now so will for sure be weaker then." Assumption, and the fictional universe doesn't provide us evidence to agree with you. I guess that doesn't technically mean they're not weaker, but clearly women are strong enough in 40k.

"What are women gonna do when confronted by a man" or whatever thing you said a few pages back. They're gonna fight. The very question implies they would simply roll over and die while whimpering "But I am woman, he too strong..."

Oh, didn't check? Then here's some facts I didn't check. The women wanted to enlist but weren't allowed and so had to compromise by being allowed to care for and tend to the wounded, even though they wanted to fight for their country. It's common sense.

That is you implying she would roll over, not me. Nice freudian slip though. I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.

And I was saying what the government wanted, not the citizens. I'm sure a lot of women wanted to defend themselves and their countries from invaders. It's common sense.

And many of them have, in fact, been fully capable of fighting men in combat. This is something we know has happened historically.

There was even a woman in WW1 who took the place of her brother on the front lines, returned to the wrong trench by accident following a bathroom break in the nearby woods, and ended up taking a very large number of enemy soldiers, plus a few officers, prisoner. Completely on her own.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

That is you implying she would roll over, not me. Nice freudian slip though. I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.

Enter some quote about bringing a knife to a gunfight.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

That is you implying she would roll over, not me. Nice freudian slip though. I said if you had a knife to your throat and you needed the strength to repel the attack, I'd want to be a man because they are scientifically stronger.

Enter some quote about bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Relevant note. In WoW, my guild is run by a co-GM team who are husband and wife in real life. The man was very physically large and muscular, and very much in-shape, doing lots of physical fitness stuff to the point his physical appearance was often compared accurately to the "Mr. Clean" mascot. His wife was much smaller, and while in shape, was not overly muscular or strong. Several years ago, they revealed to us, their guildies, that he'd been very, very violent in real life, usually just wrecking property instead of attacking people, but that the concept of him attacking her or one of their children in a fit of rage was not out of the realm of possibility. She revealed that should that happen, she was fully prepared to not only kill him to stop him, but also to dispose of his body by cutting it up at home, taking it piece by piece to work, sewing it into the corpses of dead dogs she was in charge of incinerating unsupervised at her job, and burning the whole package until nothing was left anyone could tell was human. He told us that should he actually get violent enough toward her or the kids, her plan being the actual outcome was in fact a very realistic probability.

So don't count out a small, less-muscular woman in the face of a larger, stronger man. Because that was a situation where both parties agreed that a fight to the death would result in that man losing most of the time.

Since then, he's become much calmer and pretty much entirely non-violent, so it hasn't been an issue.

Also I want to point out that even on our own planet, our physical combar prowess has never been what made our species the deadliest thing on the planet, to the point we're constantly wiping out species we aren't even trying to cause any harm to. Our minds are what made us powerful, and the technology we use them to create. Relying on your physical body in a fight, as a human, is a stupid idea as it's one of our species' weaknesses. We are NOT fast. We are NOT strong. We are NOT armed with sharp fangs or claws. We have NO biotoxins to use. We do NOT have a thick skin.

Physically, a human is a pathetic excuse for an Alpha predator. It's our minds and our technology which makes us powerful, and men and women are EQUALS in that regard.

 Desubot wrote:
What in the actual feth does that have to do with anything?

thats some messed up gak.


premeditated murder isnt cool mmk? nor is destruction of evidence and all that jazz, even in self defense or whatever.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm 6'5" and over 300lb.

There'd be very few women on the planet who could do anything to even slow me down at close quarters should I experience a suspension of morals and decency.

I remain, sadly, totally susceptible to all manner of weaponry, including, but not limited to, bullets, bats, bricks and heavy things in socks.

Pointless anecdote is pointless.

 Desubot wrote:
eh was really only commenting about the whole premeditated murder thing which is no bueno.

and honestly of course humanities greatest strength is our minds.
then again even with a a gun that can literally charge it self in the sun, it still has some sort of hard core recoil which makes no fethin sense for a laser so humanity seems to have missed a step or 6.