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So because some people have said that there should be limits you have zero excitement for this.

Were those some people the only ones you play with, and they've already set it as a 100% no discussion house rule?

Its ok Davor... you made it a whole two days before complaining about a game you haven't played yet, this time! Its like progress. :-p

Remember mate, in all seriousness... that is a house-rule people here are citing, but if you play the rules as-is, those hordes are welcome to run wild and be super powerful.

I wouldn't have a problem playing against that many. I'm going to pick up a Breacher squad for KillTeam for sure. This is the environment where they will shine.

I'm getting the impression I should be fearing for my life soon, with the investment some people show in something that shouldn't interfere with their enjoyment of this all to begin with.

As for Breachers.. I'm thinking of using the squad from the Kill Team boxed set and build them as such, or maybe 50-50, so half with rifles and half with whatever those not-shotguns are called.

edit.

Removed the comment before more people get upset about it or something.

So the specialist tables are as follows:

Combat specialist
- Rampage (i think, additional D3 atks if in combat w/ more than one model)
- Counterattack
- Instant Death
- Furious Charge
- HoW
- Hatred
- Fleshbane (in melee)
- Rage
- +1WS

Weapon specialist
- Ordnance (kinda, you can reroll to pen)
- +50% range (affects melta and rapid fire)
- +1BS
- Haywire (in melee)
- Master crafted (on a ranged weapon)
- Split fire (per shot)
- Ignores cover
- Sniper
- Pinning

Dirty fighter specialist
- Blind (in melee)
- Rending (in melee)
- Shred VS targets with more than 1 wound on profile
- Fear
- Concussive (in melee)
- Shred (in melee)
- Poison (in melee)
- Soulblaze

Indomitable specialist
- Ad will
- Crusader
- E warrior
- Fearless
- FNP
- Relentless
- Strikedown
- Stubborn

Guerilla specialist
- Fleet
- HnR
- Infiltrate
- MTC
- NV
- PE
- Assault nades
- Scout
- Stealth

Some seem a little obsolete when you can't pick more than one from the same school (Fearless and Stubborn in particular), others are extremely niche. But some very potent ones in there!

Oh yes, thank you so much!

I know I'm picking up mine tomorrow, but this should keep me happy until then.

Nah screw that noise. If they won't play me the infestation will grow, and perish the Imperium shall! <chitinous cackling>

Both Orks and Nids are high on my list of armies to look into for Hordes Mode.

Just picked up my box. it is nice.

Does anyone have the enhanced iPad version? What exactly are the "additional interactive features that make use of iBooks functionality"?

Davor wrote:

JohnnyHell wrote:Kill Team has the promise to be a cool way to sell people small forces where they like a few models but don't want a massive 1850 point force.

Might tempt me to pick up a small Eldar contingent. It's got me painting up my GS Cult and Deathwatch already, that's for sure.

Hooooo boy, I can run 16 Neophytes and 12 Acolytes for 195 points. Well now! :-)

Too bad you can't play your army, some people are already complaining to many minis so max of 15. This just sucked out all the excitement I was about to have with Kill Team.

good thing you you don't have to follow other people's house rules...

 axisofentropy wrote:
Just picked up my box. it is nice.

Does anyone have the enhanced iPad version? What exactly are the "additional interactive features that make use of iBooks functionality"?

I think it's 360 degree pics of minis, pop up bits for special rules and the like IIRC from previous iBook versions.

Went to the store and picked up my pre-order. I'll write a detailed review for my blog soon, but I saw the end of a game of Genestealer Cult vs Deathwatch (Acolytes plus Neophytes vs 5 tooled up Kill team). It was your standard GW almost a bowling green table, but Genestealer Cult handily won. Having models with Fearless to keep you in the game after being broken is very handy.

Genestealer Cult can field 26 Fearless models (24 Acolytes, 2 Purestrains) in Kill Team. All those beautiful rending attacks, with a couple of infiltrating purestrains to cause people issues.

It's a nice set. However it is very marine biased in the basic set (200 points Marines vs 134 points Tau) so it keeps up that tradition for starter sets at least.

Man, none of these epub readers are able to display it properly for me on Android (closest one was GitHub, but there was no spacing between words so it was just solid walls of text. Very hard to read)

 skoffs wrote:
Man, none of these epub readers are able to display it properly for me on Android (closest one was GitHub, but there was no spacing between words so it was just solid walls of text. Very hard to read)

Have you tried Kobo? Works a treat for me.

 Ossified wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Man, none of these epub readers are able to display it properly for me on Android (closest one was Gitden, but there was no spacing between words so it was just solid walls of text. Very hard to read)

Have you tried Kobo? Works a treat for me.

Hadn't tried it yet... That one requires a login, right?
[edit]
Installed Koba, created Rakuten account... app refuses to let me in
("username/password is not invalid")

Ben2 wrote:
Went to the store and picked up my pre-order. I'll write a detailed review for my blog soon, but I saw the end of a game of Genestealer Cult vs Deathwatch (Acolytes plus Neophytes vs 5 tooled up Kill team). It was your standard GW almost a bowling green table, but Genestealer Cult handily won. Having models with Fearless to keep you in the game after being broken is very handy.

Genestealer Cult can field 26 Fearless models (24 Acolytes, 2 Purestrains) in Kill Team. All those beautiful rending attacks, with a couple of infiltrating purestrains to cause people issues.

It's a nice set. However it is very marine biased in the basic set (200 points Marines vs 134 points Tau) so it keeps up that tradition for starter sets at least.

And that's why our Tau are getting a Devilfish to even the odds.

 BrookM wrote:
I'm getting the impression I should be fearing for my life soon, with the investment some people show in something that shouldn't interfere with their enjoyment of this all to begin with.

As for Breachers.. I'm thinking of using the squad from the Kill Team boxed set and build them as such, or maybe 50-50, so half with rifles and half with whatever those not-shotguns are called.

edit.

Removed the comment before more people get upset about it or something.

I've only grabbed the rules as I have no interest in marines outside the DW unless its blood ravens.

So far it looks promising (yeah I caved and purchased my first GW product in.. 10, 15 years?). Seems like I should be able to do my "All the autocannons" AM list which I can handily make from the Getting Started box and an Armoured Sentinel.

Edit: Of course I have no idea if autocannons are still the half way house between a Lascannon and a Heavy Bolter..

Nothing wrong with the autocannon, it's still an excellent weapon, especially in this format, where it can handily take out most types of infantry and with a bit of luck, most of the vehicles arrayed against you.

 BrookM wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
Just picked up my box. it is nice.

Does anyone have the enhanced iPad version? What exactly are the "additional interactive features that make use of iBooks functionality"?

I think it's 360 degree pics of minis, pop up bits for special rules and the like IIRC from previous iBook versions.

That is correct.

It's actually really nice.


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Davor wrote:

JohnnyHell wrote:Kill Team has the promise to be a cool way to sell people small forces where they like a few models but don't want a massive 1850 point force.

Might tempt me to pick up a small Eldar contingent. It's got me painting up my GS Cult and Deathwatch already, that's for sure.

Hooooo boy, I can run 16 Neophytes and 12 Acolytes for 195 points. Well now! :-)

Too bad you can't play your army, some people are already complaining to many minis so max of 15. This just sucked out all the excitement I was about to have with Kill Team.

Just so we're specifically clear:

Most of the "max of 15 minis" comments are also tied to in-store ran campaigns. Managers will find the 'sweet spot' so to speak of where to have the sizes at for their boards, players, etc.

There is no limitation beyond 200 points, 0-2 Troops, 0-1 Elites, and/or 0-1 Fast Attack.

Additionally there are ideas given for doing "Kill Team Challenge" modes, where one player basically gets to have more points and other bits than a standard Kill Team.

It's too late Kan, I've already ruined the game for this poor cupcake and no doubt a few others as well. It would appear that my words carry with them a lot of power.. such a great responsibility!

Truly Brook is histories greatest monster.

Should get my copy of the set early next week. Already been asked to play games of it.

It's a real shame there's no exception for Inquisitors in force organisation. I would have loved to play an Inquisitor + Retinue kill team.

 Robin5t wrote:
It's a real shame there's no exception for Inquisitors in force organisation. I would have loved to play an Inquisitor + Retinue kill team.

If your opponent is agreeable enough and you don't go overboard on say, the Terminator armour and orbital strikes, a compromise can be reached that doesn't stray too far from the core rules.

My own brother wants to play using Kans, which are normally a heavy support choice, but I think we can come to an agreement of some sort.

Again, the Heralds of Ruin expanded Kill Team rules allows you to play with Terminators, Meganobs, Killa Kans and many other things (with adjusted points values of course). You don't need full squads either for most entries, although there are "horde" units like Ork Boys, Guardsmen, and 'gaunts.

There are also lists for the Inquisition, Rogue Traders, Squats, Grot Rebels and plenty of other non-standard factions.

Just as an alternative to the GW rules if you're into that kind of thing.

http://heralds-of-ruin.blogspot.se/p/kill-team-rules.html

Is someone going to advertise the Heralds of Ruin rules every few pages?

Herald of Ruins rules are just home-made rules.

And the Kill Team Rules specifically state that it is fine to change their rules, as long as it is not used to give an unfair advantage. The intent of the game is giving nice games with uncertainty, not making the invincible Kill Team.

It is written as such in the rules.

So, if you want to include some Terminators, Support units or even a Monstruous Creature with 4 PV, go for it. You just need to talk about it with your fellow players and the organizer of the campaign.

Hell, even in the White Dwarf we have an Eldar Kill Team with a War Walker - shouldn't be possible since it's Heavy Support choice, but who cares? About time people understand competition isn't everything in GW games.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Is someone going to advertise the Heralds of Ruin rules every few pages?

Seriously.


We get it. People like the rules. We have all heard of it by now. This is the GW Kill Team news and rumor page.

Make your own HOR thread.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Is someone going to advertise the Heralds of Ruin rules every few pages?

I hope so, they are like a successful tattoo cover up for the original kill team rules.

Do we know if vehicles can be specialists? A venom with reaping volley sounds good.

It's clear that GW dont know the rules, using war walkers in one kill team and two elite choices in another.