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DarkSoldier wrote:
The new Eldar Harlequins. They're over-dynamic, which requires a lot of attention to detail when assembling them to make all the action lines work, and some of the arm options look like they're for specific torso pieces

I just picked up Death Masque, and this just turned my insides. Gonna take my sweet time with my Deathwatch marines.

Not a fan of Harlies in general, although I can't put my finger on it. Shadowseer especially with the tubes on his shoulders is sort of swing and miss for me.

Rackham's Red Lioness, in all her incarnations. First incarnation looks like she's trying to lop her own head off (and plain just looks terrible). 2nd incarnation, she's going to war in a Keyhole breastplate and a thong, and looks like she could use a dozen cheeseburgers and a milkshake.

The Contemptor is justhe GW going back and updating the old Epic marine dreadnought for 40k scale. Forge world went halfway with the mk4 dread pattern but I think the Contemptor is a closer overall match to it.

My beef is with models that are overdone. the current Screaming Bell is a good example. I liked the old 90s one, and even the 00s one had some ragtag charm to it, but the modern one with its stonework and ropes and braziers and everything is just such a mess to look at, the eye wants to rebel against it. Same with things like the Vampire floating throne with its hundreds of spikes and spirits circling around, and the less said about Nagash, the better.

DarkSoldier wrote:
The new Eldar Harlequins. They're over-dynamic, which requires a lot of attention to detail when assembling them to make all the action lines work, and some of the arm options look like they're for specific torso pieces.

I just assembled a box of these guys, and quite agree. "Over-dynamic" is exactly the word, and I had to work pretty hard to make the leg and arm combos work to my liking. I used to dislike Wyches for this, but I'd take a squad of those guys over Harlequins any day, just because putting them together was far easier. Another one of my peeves are models standing on tiptoe, like the Scourges. Those guys already have massive wings and heavy weapons, why hike their center of gravity upwards by 2 inches with stupid stunt-posing?

Honorable mention goes to Jain Zar. Anyone ever tried to pin her to a base? Wasn't easy.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
My beef is with models that are overdone. the current Screaming Bell is a good example. I liked the old 90s one, and even the 00s one had some ragtag charm to it, but the modern one with its stonework and ropes and braziers and everything is just such a mess to look at, the eye wants to rebel against it. Same with things like the Vampire floating throne with its hundreds of spikes and spirits circling around, and the less said about Nagash, the better.

DarkSoldier wrote:
The new Eldar Harlequins. They're over-dynamic, which requires a lot of attention to detail when assembling them to make all the action lines work, and some of the arm options look like they're for specific torso pieces.

I just assembled a box of these guys, and quite agree. "Over-dynamic" is exactly the word, and I had to work pretty hard to make the leg and arm combos work to my liking. I used to dislike Wyches for this, but I'd take a squad of those guys over Harlequins any day, just because putting them together was far easier. Another one of my peeves are models standing on tiptoe, like the Scourges. Those guys already have massive wings and heavy weapons, why hike their center of gravity upwards by 2 inches with stupid stunt-posing?

Honorable mention goes to Jain Zar. Anyone ever tried to pin her to a base? Wasn't easy.

At least most of the stupidly top heavy models are in plastic or resin these days. A good rock or a penny in the base will go a long way to lowering the center of gravity. I just finished some old metal swooping hawks, and keeping them upright was an exercise in finding the largest rocks in my basing supplies. I’ve put together two Jain Zar’s, one of which was modified in a way that ended up raising her center of mass. So far they are both still in their original slotta bases.

As a Space Wolves fan, everything that came out for Space Wolves in the past edition rubs me the wrong way. Logan Claus, Flying Dog's Head, Wulfen. I like the new Dreadnought kit but Murderface is stupid.

Castellan robots. I love everything else Admech, but those things look straight out of a "Robby the Robot & Friends" fun time show. They're too smooth and roubded to look intimidating. Really, it's the head. It's so cartoony I want to draw eyes and a smiley face on it. If I ever run Admech I'm gonna have to find some alternatives.

Also, Eldar stuff to me is boring in general. Too smooth and fragile-looking. At least DE take it up a notch, but all the Eldar designs seem so tame.

This... *barf*

I generally don't have objections to most of the current range of model from an aesthetics point of view, but it does bother the crude out of me when models are WAAAAAY too big for their rules.
Daemons have some good examples of this. Seekers, Bloodletters and Pink Horrors are all T3 1W models, yet each they are almost as big, or bigger that a Space Marine. Give 'Letters their T4 back please and make Seekers have 2W per model

Yea that big Khorne monstrosity is ridiculous

 Galef wrote:
I generally don't have objections to most of the current range of model from an aesthetics point of view, but it does bother the crude out of me when models are WAAAAAY too big for their rules.
Daemons have some good examples of this. Seekers, Bloodletters and Pink Horrors are all T3 1W models, yet each they are almost as big, or bigger that a Space Marine. Give 'Letters their T4 back please and make Seekers have 2W per model

I liked the lesser daemons becoming weaker and cheaper per model than marines; I think it better matches the fluff and in-game it means there are fewer S4 T4 guys running around when that shouldn't be the norm. I can definitely see your point though, it's just that we're stuck with a system where a guardsman is S3 T3, a marine is S4 T4 and you can't represent something being stronger and tougher than Geq but not equivalent to Meq.

Klaus von Groehm wrote:
This... *barf*

Forgot about this monstrosity (and not in the cool, Nurgly, daemonic, Chaos-esque way, but in the massive, smelly pile of used jock straps kinda way). Just awful.

Klaus von Groehm wrote:
This... *barf*

Yeah in terms of ugliness this is the absolute king of the current model range.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Honorable mention goes to Jain Zar. Anyone ever tried to pin her to a base? Wasn't easy.

You cut her off the slotta?! That would be awful.

Honestly, that reminds me... all of the Phoenix Lords. They are all overly chunky and mostly just look like some kid took all the peices he liked off the associated aspect, turned them up to 11, and slapped them together in the most haphazard way. Jain Zar is awful, but at least she has a little motion. Still, the ridiculous amount of hair she has is silly and sculpted unrealistically and she is just so... bland. All of them are.

I think Karandras is the worst tho. He looks so damned top heavy, like a stiff breeze would knock him over into a comic turtle-on-its-shell thing. I added a big swirly mesh cloak, and that kind of helped... kind of.

Klaus von Groehm wrote:
This... *barf*

Why did you have to remind us that this existed? It's so awful, it hurts.

Funny, I didn't like Karandras until I built him recently and didn't paint him green. Mounted on a thin 30mm base with the head at the correct angle it turned out quite nicely. The helmet is still a bit overkill, but my distaste for the model diminished when it was finished. Maugan Ra isn't bad, though he's freakin' huge by comparison. Not a fan of the others. Asurmen is okay but his face bugs me. Baharroth is just a bit much, Jain Zar I'd have to agree with the hair - I've wanted to try painting her up though - never have. Feugan is just a little too static for me.

I completely disagree with the sentiments expressed here towards the Contemptor. Compared to the regular Dreadnought, the Contemptor looks dynamic and animated, like it could actually move. It's a much more rational, realistic approach to what a Dreadnought represents, by comparison, the conventional Dreadnought doesn't look like it could move, at all. And the centre of gravity is too far up as well.

But I'm not saying I dislike the Mark V Dreadnought, I just prefer the Contemptor.

I really loathe the Centurion. The design is just hideous, the models look immobile in their unwieldy suits, and the miniatures are stuck in static, uninspired poses.

They look a lot like this:




If I wanted to play with meeples, I could be playing Carcassone with my mother.

Here's the issue...the Contemptor "design" is fine, it's a good looking design. The GW plastic kit is completely crap. It's just a terrible model. Poor pose-ability and crap stance.

The Forgeworld ones look fine, so it's not the design, it's the execution of the model itself. It's garbage. The GW plastic kit is like a mannequin version of a normal contemptor. Shame too, considering how good the other plastic Horus Heresy stuff is.

Anything Slaneesh....wait, I'm not sure I'm reading the question correctly.

 Elbows wrote:
Here's the issue...the Contemptor "design" is fine, it's a good looking design. The GW plastic kit is completely crap. It's just a terrible model. Poor pose-ability and crap stance.

The Forgeworld ones look fine, so it's not the design, it's the execution of the model itself. It's garbage. The GW plastic kit is like a mannequin version of a normal contemptor. Shame too, considering how good the other plastic Horus Heresy stuff is.

I always though the contemptor looked pot bellied. Not a fan of the design in general. The plastic is a bit static and mono-pose. If I had more then one I’d be irritated. Or hack it up a lot. I like the angry washing machine. Sure, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense from a “reality” standpoint. But what’s reality done for use lately? Let’s just slap some guns and armor on a walking coffin and send our mortally wounded marines back into the fight. Because grimdark!

As a kit, the venerable dread is probably near, if not at, the top of my favorites of all time list.

 Nevelon wrote:
As a kit, the venerable dread is probably near, if not at, the top of my favorites of all time list.

I second that. Absolutely love the Venerable kit. I also find that the mark V dread is much more versatile/dynamic when it comes to customization. You have a lot of free room to glue on all sorts of regalia, horns, a throne, etc.

Speaking of thrones, Inquisitor Karamazov is by far the most over-the-top, most wild and imposing of the dread kits in my opinion......and I've been looking forward to getting my hands on one for some time now! I have no army/reason for it. Waiting for a dreadnought monthly painting challenge!

I actually like quite a few of the kits mentioned here especially the space wolves ones.
Last weekend I thought about starting an emperor's children army for 40k as they are by far my favourite of the chaos marine warbands, I went online to have a look at the models and was instantly reminded why I hate chaos, almost all the minis are just so unbelievably ugly and ott. Not a big fan of some of the dark angels' stuff either. Some of the worst offenders are the plastic catachans the sculpting on them is so bad it makes me wonder why they were ever greenlit for production 20 or so years ago as there are models the same age which hold up well even now.

I don't like anything Space Wolf. It doesn't make sense. It's like a kid said "I want to be a grownup, so I am going to go out and make some psychos is skulls who like to waste gene-seed and die because of poor strategy". Actually, that would be insulting children.

Age of Sigmar models.

Can't stand the new aesthetic (I use that term very lightly). Scale creep is crazymaking, models are sometimes so overwrought to the point of absurdity.

Classic WHFB figs for me!

.........................but why????

Space Marine Dreadnoughts.
Not the Contemptor models - I actually quite like those.
The bricky ones with stubby legs.

The legs are sooo short, and with the armor plating on them, the knees are invisible.

A robot walker with no knees... So ridiculous.

I plan on converting one of my Dreadnoughts with some Sentinel legs.

The mark V dread seems more like a walking mausoleum while the Contemptor feels more like a heavily-armored battle suit for a physically-capable marine. I love the lore/fluff behind the dreadnoughts in that the human operator is an interred, more-or-less dead marine, which for me kinda gets lost in the Contemptor model design while the newer dread models certainly look and feel like a walking tomb, and as I mentioned, probably not the most practical war machine ever conceived, granted, but boy do they look cool!!

 hybridmoments82 wrote:
The mark V dread seems more like a walking mausoleum while the Contemptor feels more like a heavily-armored battle suit for a physically-capable marine. I love the lore/fluff behind the dreadnoughts in that the human operator is an interred, more-or-less dead marine, which for me kinda gets lost in the Contemptor model design while the newer dread models certainly look and feel like a walking tomb, and as I mentioned, probably not the most practical war machine ever conceived, granted, but boy do they look cool!!

Glad you dig them. They do look very tomb-like, but definitely not like a walking tomb. Waddling tomb, more like.

ruhe.bryan wrote:
Glad you dig them. They do look very tomb-like, but definitely not like a walking tomb. Waddling tomb, more like.

LOL agreed!!!!

Might be inspired to do a dreadnought with a walking cane.

 hybridmoments82 wrote:

ruhe.bryan wrote:
Glad you dig them. They do look very tomb-like, but definitely not like a walking tomb. Waddling tomb, more like.

LOL agreed!!!!

Might be inspired to do a dreadnought with a walking cane.

And a dapper hat.

I feel like I fly in the face of popular opinion as I really don't like Contemptors and love Mk. V Dreads. (MK. IV Dread is best Dread, though.)

GWs recent trend for churning out giant, overly busy models does nothing for me.