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I wonder what the baal strike force is. I haven't heard of that one before.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I wonder what the baal strike force is. I haven't heard of that one before.

That is their normal codex one. Was great before decurions and super formations.

So they're getting a new (updated) codex as well? I knew there was a reason I held onto some of my Blood Angels.

Meanwhile, in Chaos land...

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
So they're getting a new (updated) codex as well? I knew there was a reason I held onto some of my Blood Angels.

Meanwhile, in Chaos land...

Meanwhile, in Chaos land they got the Vindicator and Predator Squadron bonuses that were previously just in the Loyalist stuff.

Interesting to note we kept the Baal Strike Force, as well as the new formations and Decurion Style detachments. All other new codex's have just had formations and Decurions, CAD for anything else.

They are just cutting and pasting the new dataslates from Angel's Blade to the back of the Blood Angels Digital Codex, like they did with the Chaos Daemons: Incursion Edition Codex.

 Kanluwen wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
So they're getting a new (updated) codex as well? I knew there was a reason I held onto some of my Blood Angels.

Meanwhile, in Chaos land...

Meanwhile, in Chaos land they got the Vindicator and Predator Squadron bonuses that were previously just in the Loyalist stuff.

True, but I was referencing the fact that BA got 2 new codexes and a new supplement in the last couple years, and Chaos has only gotten supplements.

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
So they're getting a new (updated) codex as well? I knew there was a reason I held onto some of my Blood Angels.

Meanwhile, in Chaos land...

Meanwhile, in Chaos land they got the Vindicator and Predator Squadron bonuses that were previously just in the Loyalist stuff.

True, but I was referencing the fact that BA got 2 new codexes and a new supplement in the last couple years, and Chaos has only gotten supplements.

Not actually true.
Khorne Daemonkin wasn't a supplement. It was a brand new Codex under the Chaos Marines header.

Blood Angels got a new Codex awhile ago. This digital only "Red Thirst" edition is not a new Codex. It's the current Codex, updated with the stuff coming out in the supplement...much of which is just rehashed from elsewhere, either from the Leviathan series or updated via the main Space Marine book such as the 10th Company Ambush Force or the addition of Eviscerators/Grav-Cannons.
Daemons got a similar updated book called the "Daemonic Incursions" edition.
I do not think that CSM got a similar one...which is odd, granted, but does mesh up with some of the more reliable rumors that CSM are one of the books being looked at very hard for the rumored next edition.

Blood Angels aren't getting as much as you seem to think they are. This is a supplement release, with some repackaged stuff. I will say I'm surprised at how many Blood Angels boxed sets there are coming with this release.

 Kanluwen wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
So they're getting a new (updated) codex as well? I knew there was a reason I held onto some of my Blood Angels.

Meanwhile, in Chaos land...

Meanwhile, in Chaos land they got the Vindicator and Predator Squadron bonuses that were previously just in the Loyalist stuff.

True, but I was referencing the fact that BA got 2 new codexes and a new supplement in the last couple years, and Chaos has only gotten supplements.

Not actually true.
Khorne Daemonkin wasn't a supplement. It was a brand new Codex under the Chaos Marines header.

Blood Angels got a new Codex awhile ago. This digital only "Red Thirst" edition is not a new Codex. It's the current Codex, updated with the stuff coming out in the supplement...much of which is just rehashed from elsewhere, either from the Leviathan series or updated via the main Space Marine book such as the 10th Company Ambush Force or the addition of Eviscerators/Grav-Cannons.
Daemons got a similar updated book called the "Daemonic Incursions" edition.
I do not think that CSM got a similar one...which is odd, granted, but does mesh up with some of the more reliable rumors that CSM are one of the books being looked at very hard for the rumored next edition.

Blood Angels aren't getting as much as you seem to think they are. This is a supplement release, with some repackaged stuff. I will say I'm surprised at how many Blood Angels boxed sets there are coming with this release.

The BA codex came out in 2015. The new codex (red thirst), according to the promo materials is "A fully revised and updated guide to the sons of sanguinius, including new rules from Black Crusade: Angel's Blade". That gives the impression that it's more than just the old dex with new formations, otherwise it wouldn't say "fully revised".

Yes, KDK is new, but the consensus among Chaos players is that KDK is not CSM.

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
So they're getting a new (updated) codex as well? I knew there was a reason I held onto some of my Blood Angels.

Meanwhile, in Chaos land...

Meanwhile, in Chaos land they got the Vindicator and Predator Squadron bonuses that were previously just in the Loyalist stuff.

True, but I was referencing the fact that BA got 2 new codexes and a new supplement in the last couple years, and Chaos has only gotten supplements.

Not actually true.
Khorne Daemonkin wasn't a supplement. It was a brand new Codex under the Chaos Marines header.

Blood Angels got a new Codex awhile ago. This digital only "Red Thirst" edition is not a new Codex. It's the current Codex, updated with the stuff coming out in the supplement...much of which is just rehashed from elsewhere, either from the Leviathan series or updated via the main Space Marine book such as the 10th Company Ambush Force or the addition of Eviscerators/Grav-Cannons.
Daemons got a similar updated book called the "Daemonic Incursions" edition.
I do not think that CSM got a similar one...which is odd, granted, but does mesh up with some of the more reliable rumors that CSM are one of the books being looked at very hard for the rumored next edition.

Blood Angels aren't getting as much as you seem to think they are. This is a supplement release, with some repackaged stuff. I will say I'm surprised at how many Blood Angels boxed sets there are coming with this release.

The BA codex came out in 2015. The new codex (red thirst), according to the promo materials is "A fully revised and updated guide to the sons of sanguinius, including new rules from Black Crusade: Angel's Blade". That gives the impression that it's more than just the old dex with new formations, otherwise it wouldn't say "fully revised".

Yes, KDK is new, but the consensus among Chaos players is that KDK is not CSM.

it came out in 2014, not 2015. It is more like the newer version of the Tau Codex or the Wulfen edition of the Space Wolves codex.

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
So they're getting a new (updated) codex as well? I knew there was a reason I held onto some of my Blood Angels.

Meanwhile, in Chaos land...

Meanwhile, in Chaos land they got the Vindicator and Predator Squadron bonuses that were previously just in the Loyalist stuff.

True, but I was referencing the fact that BA got 2 new codexes and a new supplement in the last couple years, and Chaos has only gotten supplements.

Not actually true.
Khorne Daemonkin wasn't a supplement. It was a brand new Codex under the Chaos Marines header.

Blood Angels got a new Codex awhile ago. This digital only "Red Thirst" edition is not a new Codex. It's the current Codex, updated with the stuff coming out in the supplement...much of which is just rehashed from elsewhere, either from the Leviathan series or updated via the main Space Marine book such as the 10th Company Ambush Force or the addition of Eviscerators/Grav-Cannons.
Daemons got a similar updated book called the "Daemonic Incursions" edition.
I do not think that CSM got a similar one...which is odd, granted, but does mesh up with some of the more reliable rumors that CSM are one of the books being looked at very hard for the rumored next edition.

Blood Angels aren't getting as much as you seem to think they are. This is a supplement release, with some repackaged stuff. I will say I'm surprised at how many Blood Angels boxed sets there are coming with this release.

The BA codex came out in 2015. The new codex (red thirst), according to the promo materials is "A fully revised and updated guide to the sons of sanguinius, including new rules from Black Crusade: Angel's Blade". That gives the impression that it's more than just the old dex with new formations, otherwise it wouldn't say "fully revised".

Revised:
verb (used with object), revised, revising.
1.
to amend or alter:
to revise one's opinion.
2.
to alter something already written or printed, in order to make corrections, improve, or update:
to revise a manuscript.

It's the old dex with new formations and updated unit entries to match the boxed sets that are currently sold. As mentioned, Devastators are getting Grav-Cannons and Assault Marines are getting Eviscerators.

The Blood Angels book previously had access to some outlier stuff that is since gone(Assault Marines with Plasma Guns, for example, are not in the main C: SM book despite the artwork for the Raven Guard in Kauyon/Mont'ka having so flipping many Plasma Gun toting Assault Marines...) or was not included for whatever reason(Grav-Cannons for Devastators).

Hell there's a reason the Blood Angels got their own Tactical Squad, because they have options for Inferno Pistols/Hand Flamers and Heavy Flamers in Tactical Squads that is not in the "standard" Tactical Marine box.

Yes, KDK is new, but the consensus among Chaos players is that KDK is not CSM.

Okay, and...?

If "the consensus" among players was the way that anything was done...nothing would get done.

We get it. Chaos Marines didn't get as extensive of an update as they possibly could have....but what would that update really have entailed with this release for Chaos?

Well apparently Chaos gets two rumor threads now.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Well apparently Chaos gets two rumor threads now.

No. The other thread was not being updated anymore. I will update the first post of this one as best I can.

The bundles just hit the webstore .

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Well apparently Chaos gets two rumor threads now.

No. The other thread was not being updated anymore. I will update the first post of this one as best I can.

My comment was directed at the derail into how much Chaos sucks, not the thread its self.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Well apparently Chaos gets two rumor threads now.

No. The other thread was not being updated anymore. I will update the first post of this one as best I can.

My comment was directed at the derail into how much Chaos sucks, not the thread its self.

Yeah, we definitely don't need Chaos Whining (TM) here. I am sure the BA players will do it anyway. I know I will if stuff sucks.

In other news, confirmed formations so far -

Archangels Demi-Company
Archangels Orbital Intervention Force
Blood Angels Battle Demi-Company
10th Company Ambush Force
Death Company Strike Force (probably a detachment)
Golden Host
Chapter Ancients

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Well apparently Chaos gets two rumor threads now.

No. The other thread was not being updated anymore. I will update the first post of this one as best I can.

My comment was directed at the derail into how much Chaos sucks, not the thread its self.

Heh, I wasn't talking about Chaos sucking (I don't even play Chaos), I was making an observation on Loyalists stealing their thunder once again.

Back on topic, I hope Death Company and Sanguinary Guard get some love, my boys have been gathering dust for a while now.

So I, uh, got bored and did the math on the new sets in USD, and the pricing on the big Archangels Demi-Company set seems really off. You're only saving like 10% there, as opposed to 20-25% on the other sets. I was thinking about grabbing that one since I wanted more Terminators from the Orbital Intervention set anyway, but it seems like it makes more sense to just grab the OI box and then pick up the other specialty squads later when I can space out the $$. Not saving nearly enough there to justify the big hit all at once. The Chapter Ancients and Death Company boxes are fantastic, tho, definitely getting both of those. The Battle Company savings is only so-so, but I don't really have a need for that one anyway, I have plenty of older regular bodies. I feel like there's an item missing from the Archangel box's description or something.

Some of these formations we've seen already in Exterminatus. Orbital Intervention Force and Archangels Demi Company. There is another demi-company too.

Wonder if they're any different...


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 Prometheum5 wrote:
So I, uh, got bored and did the math on the new sets in USD, and the pricing on the big Archangels Demi-Company set seems really off. You're only saving like 10% there, as opposed to 20-25% on the other sets. I was thinking about grabbing that one since I wanted more Terminators from the Orbital Intervention set anyway, but it seems like it makes more sense to just grab the OI box and then pick up the other specialty squads later when I can space out the $$. Not saving nearly enough there to justify the big hit all at once. The Chapter Ancients and Death Company boxes are fantastic, tho, definitely getting both of those. The Battle Company savings is only so-so, but I don't really have a need for that one anyway, I have plenty of older regular bodies. I feel like there's an item missing from the Archangel box's description or something.

I think it's because the archangels demi company is more of a one-click-bundle that happens to include the orbital intervention force so that is the only discount you get for that one.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
So I, uh, got bored and did the math on the new sets in USD, and the pricing on the big Archangels Demi-Company set seems really off. You're only saving like 10% there, as opposed to 20-25% on the other sets. I was thinking about grabbing that one since I wanted more Terminators from the Orbital Intervention set anyway, but it seems like it makes more sense to just grab the OI box and then pick up the other specialty squads later when I can space out the $$. Not saving nearly enough there to justify the big hit all at once. The Chapter Ancients and Death Company boxes are fantastic, tho, definitely getting both of those. The Battle Company savings is only so-so, but I don't really have a need for that one anyway, I have plenty of older regular bodies. I feel like there's an item missing from the Archangel box's description or something.

As SolentSanguine mentioned:

The ones with the "best savings"? Those are an actual boxed set item that will have a very likely limited availability. The other items are just a collection of the existing items bundled together for you to click once and get the items that way. They are not a boxed item.

Hmmm. The BA BDC bundle saves you the cost of the Company Command kit. Not bad at all. Especially when it is basically a 1-click bundle.

has anyone seen rules

Sadly, I literally have enough Blood Angels stuff in boxes to nearly build the entire freaking chapter (not quite enough tactical marines...), and a pile of the BA upgrade sprue, so I won't be buying the new kits :(

Unless they have new transfers in them or something Then I'd have to...

@Drok55555 - I'm dying to see the new rules. I wonder if they will bring my beloved Blood Angels to the glory of actually being playable against people who aren't just fielding junk to humor me, something that hasn't happened often since BA became an independent faction

I really hope there are at least a couple of decent ways to play them, rather than "oh look, that's awesome, everyone build that!"


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The Limited Edition looks so tempting. If only I didn't "know" (suspect) that 8e was coming out NEXT YEAR, I would so snap that up. :(

I definitely got it. At the very least it will make a fancy display with the Traitor's Hate and my Chaos & BA armies fighting each other.

Which reminds me... I need to buy a bigger display case.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I hope the Wargear of Baal changes bring the prices of everything in line with C:SM. I am hoping the Captain Datasheets allows a Cataphractii Captain, especially given that out Devastators are getting Grav Cannons.

Not sure why you want cat armour since that's been faqed not to spread slow and purposefull(good thing too)

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I hope the Wargear of Baal changes bring the prices of everything in line with C:SM. I am hoping the Captain Datasheets allows a Cataphractii Captain, especially given that out Devastators are getting Grav Cannons.

Not sure why you want cat armour since that's been faqed not to spread slow and purposefull(good thing too)

Where or when did that happen? It totally goes against the rules as written.

As an avid Blood Angels player (I'm currently trying to get rid of collection), the new repackaged sets that advertise the Archangels, or the BA first company,they do seem quite an overly charged item. Take the BA tactical squad and the vanguard veterans squad.

BA squad: 10minis, 10+ shoulders, arms, backpacks, guns etc, $43
Vanguard veteran squad: 5 mins, probably only 5 shoulder upgrades $45
The original versions are the same price, however, if you buy the tactical set, you not only get more blood angels specific items, you save $2. So essentially, " [paying] less is more [bits]" - I don't know who said it. Don't know if this was understandable, but that's my $2 VS rant . Y'all have a good day

@celestialpainting - if it's like the DW kits, the upgrade sprues in all the boxes are probably identical regardless of models in a box (after all, the single model commander and the razorback came with the same upgrade sprue) -- meaning the BA one will be 10 shoulders, 1 cup, 1 torso front, 1 dagger, etc.

I kinda like the direction of the packaging and such. I would have liked it better if they had just sold the upgrade sprues for $5 But it's all good, the way its packaged makes it easier for someone who's new to the faction or the hobby to get the right "set" with matching artwork on the box and all that.


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 adamsouza wrote:

Five Psychic disciplines: Sanguinary, Librarius, Technomancy, Fulmination and Geokinesis

This could be promising.

@Talys- that stops my rant! After I posted just to make sure I was right but I saw the additional upgrade sprue. I agree in the sense that they made it friendlier for someone to get into the hobby

 Talys wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Five Psychic disciplines: Sanguinary, Librarius, Technomancy, Fulmination and Geokinesis

This could be promising.

How so? You've already got sanguinary and the other 4 are the same marine powers that vanilla got in angels of death and then CSM got spiky versions of in traitors hate. Everyone already knows exactly what they are and what they do. In fact, didn't BA, SW, GK and DA get access to the 4 new disciplines when they first came out or am I misremembering?