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I dont think that would happen the kid was like 3 feet tall and white

 Yodhrin wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Guys, you're all getting nowhere fast.

This is the Wfb section, let Damikeis have his fun. That's what most 8th sections are nowadays anyway, AoS bashes and the occasional 8th list question.(Shrugs)
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That's what happens when forum admins appropriate forums for existing games without notice or consultation and then half-arse moving posts across to the wilderness corner they chose to banish the original users to. It's telling that on those sites I visit where the admins made a new forum for AoS and forced all discussion of it there, the AoS section is tumbleweed while the WHFB forum proceeds at only a slightly reduced pace.

Oh, and you forgot the third thing that WHFB forums like this one consist of these days - snooty, up themselves AoS fans dropping in to sneer and gloat and whinge, because they simply can't bear the idea that somewhere exists where AoS isn't discussed in glowing terms.

Huh, haven't seen much of that on warhammer forums I visit. Pretty much either alot of even activity or not much at all. (Alot of web forums seem to be on the fall these days.)

Certainly haven't seen the AoS gloating except for one troll on EEFL and the few guys around here that I advise to be more respectful. Besides, it's not like AoS forums haven't been trolled either. Just basic nature, that.(unfortunately)

Happy to hear your forums are keeping the 8th spirit alive, though.

 Damikeis wrote:
I dont think that would happen the kid was like 3 feet tall and white

The tank isn't real scale either. And wyverns are rather weighy, at leas the OoP model I have.

 Damikeis wrote:
Well lets see em try to beat me with mai new steaaam tank!!!!

I have 3 duardin cannons and a roflcopter that would love to put that to the test.

I put em instead of he. Referring to the kid

 Damikeis wrote:
GW had a meeting and it went like this..
It was May 2014

"The franchise that started us, and has been going on for 30 years is doing bad sales wise. Wut do we do?"

Matt Ward "Know wut fk it i quit imma go write some books n gak. Ps about your problems space marines make everything better... even more so when it comes to ones that are painted blue n gold" Matt ward would storm off.

"Well glad he is gone... But he did have a point"

"Lets add in space marines to fantasy! Yeah! Great Idea!"

"Wait even better idea yet! Lets just fething scrap it and mash 40k and fantasy, along with some bull gak into this hybrid that makes chaos spawn look like Victoria's secret angels!"

That is how age of sigmar was born.

You do know one of the reasons he quit was because of people writing him constant death-threats.

 Damikeis wrote:
I put em instead of he. Referring to the kid

doesnt matter to me, if it aint got a beard, I WILL pull the trigger, cannons for the win!

What about a mustache so great it lets me re-roll failed to hits

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
There's something called freedom of expression. In addition, this is a discussion about AoS, if you haven't seen the fact that it's been alluded a lot of times. Also, "dividing the community"? Sorry to break this but these are two separate communities by and large that won't change their tune.

So slip the shoe on the other foot, how happy would you be if Big D there took his anti-AOS rhetoric in the AOS subforum? I sincerely doubt you'd be as ready to cry "freedom of expression" as you are in this forum. It's no different than when the Bronies would try to turn every single damn thread on every message board into a MLP:FIM discussion. Actually, that's a good point as well, howabout the Warmahordes crowd coming into your AOS threads to rail on AOS and puff up WM/H? You can't say with a straight face that you'd be fine with that.

You mean like this ones?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/659903.page

Or... well, virtually any post Kaiyanwang makes regarding AoS, tbh. Still he provides a few insightful points between the sea of bile he has stored across the years he's dealt with GWs gak.

Newsflash, I'd not mind because I'm a person who LOVES to bicker and argue. So how about you don't strawman me and be a person who actually uses arguments rather than: surely you wouldn't in truth!

If anything you should feel ashamed of what you're saying because what you're defending. behind this shaming you're doing on me (you'd not do it in truth, admit it, you'r just like x, if it happened to you you'd not like it, hipocrite!), is defending an echo chamber: you don't want AoS players giving an opinion on AoS. You just want fantasy players to speak on the matter. No, don't come at me with that, you yourself said what the hell is a non-fantasy player doing here!

And that, dear, is the death of reason: when you don't want to hear people disagreeing with you, you're shutting down to any kind of debate. And that's why I say there's no convincing to be done. For people like YOU.

By your own skewed metrics this page, which is related to another game that isn't fantasy, should have been closed.

The very first post is based on AoS, and more than half of the following ones, not counting mine. So how about we... which words did you use in another conversation? Ah yes... how about YOU take a few steps backwards and see the whole picture beyond your own ego?

lol that's what you got from that? No, a debate thread is where we have debate. Over on Warseer there was a "positive AOS thread" that was left completely alone by the anti-AOS crowd. Then someone started a "positive WFB thread" and guess what happened? Yep, exactly what you accuse the OTHER side of doing. Now if a thread invites debate, all ahead full, but if the thread is in a specific themed subforum then one would assume that it was posted through that lens. See the MLP and WM/H part of my previous post. Echo chambers. Ego. This isn't a political debate, you can't guilt me into submission.

Postive WHFB thread bombed by AoS followers, yeah gotta love the vagueness and the hard proof you have. A pity Warseer's data was lost forever, almost too convenient?

And this isn't a positive WHFB this is outright lambasting AoS.

This is a fething forum. EVERYTHING POSTED HERE IS A DEBATE. From the lists to the lore discussions. Everything is a debate.

Forum: a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. By its own bloody definition this is a Debate, because they are exchanging views and opinions and arguing about their validity. Learn about what you talk before speaking.

The pot called the kettle black I guess, with the guilt and all.

So what you are saying is... the pot is an uncle tom?

 Damikeis wrote:
What about a mustache so great it lets me re-roll failed to hits

Beard or bust brah! no self respecting duardin has not a beard!

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
What about a mustache so great it lets me re-roll failed to hits

Beard or bust brah! no self respecting duardin has not a beard!

And no self-respecting Fyreslayer has not a beard on fire.

Deep breaths, Lord Kragon. In and out, in and out. In with the good feeling, out with the anger.

If there's one thing I resent about AoS it's that it's split the community so much. If things had been different we'd be talking like colleagues and enjoying ourselves instead.
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Lord Kragan wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
What about a mustache so great it lets me re-roll failed to hits

Beard or bust brah! no self respecting duardin has not a beard!

And no self-respecting Fyreslayer has not a beard on fire.

Beards are so in that even the God-King sports one.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Deep breaths, Lord Kragon. In and out, in and out. In with the good feeling, out with the anger.

If there's one thing I resent about AoS it's that it's split the community so much. If things had been different we'd be talking like colleagues and enjoying ourselves instead.

I don't breath, I just take air between my many shouts.

So machine-gun Dovahkin?

Baron Klatz wrote:
Deep breaths, Lord Kragon. In and out, in and out. In with the good feeling, out with the anger.

If there's one thing I resent about AoS it's that it's split the community so much. If things had been different we'd be talking like colleagues and enjoying ourselves instead.
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Lord Kragan wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
What about a mustache so great it lets me re-roll failed to hits

Beard or bust brah! no self respecting duardin has not a beard!

And no self-respecting Fyreslayer has not a beard on fire.

Beards are so in that even the God-King sports one.

He doesnt get a pass, still not Duardin, so even with his wannabeard, he gets 2 of the 3 cannons to the grill.
(in full disclosure, I despise sigmar ((whom I refer to as suckmar after reading his age of legends trilogy)) as the least interesting character in the entire warhammer/AoS existence. brooding emo barbarian doofus who couldnt even carry his own trilogy. so he gets shot regardless...waaah waaah my poor ravenna...suck it up buttercup.)

 thekingofkings wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Deep breaths, Lord Kragon. In and out, in and out. In with the good feeling, out with the anger.

If there's one thing I resent about AoS it's that it's split the community so much. If things had been different we'd be talking like colleagues and enjoying ourselves instead.
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Lord Kragan wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
What about a mustache so great it lets me re-roll failed to hits

Beard or bust brah! no self respecting duardin has not a beard!

And no self-respecting Fyreslayer has not a beard on fire.

Beards are so in that even the God-King sports one.

He doesnt get a pass, still not Duardin, so even with his wannabeard, he gets 2 of the 3 cannons to the grill.
(in full disclosure, I despise sigmar ((whom I refer to as suckmar after reading his age of legends trilogy)) as the least interesting character in the entire warhammer/AoS existence. brooding emo barbarian doofus who couldnt even carry his own trilogy. so he gets shot regardless...waaah waaah my poor ravenna...suck it up buttercup.)

In hindsight he's a jackass.

Still I prefer Gork and Mork plus the Ironjawz (and specially I like the bonesplitterz).

 Just Tony wrote:



And there's the question of the day: if you are an AOS player and not a WFB Legacy player, why are you even in this

1. Most AoS players played WHFB, hence why they still peruse this legacy forum and take part in discussions about the game(s).
2. It mentions AoS in the title.

 Just Tony wrote:

let alone in a thread actively trying to goad someone?

I think you have it backwards. Check the post history of that certain "someone" and tell me it's not a troll.

 Just Tony wrote:

THIS is the exact kind of behavior that is dividing the community, and it isn't going to win hearts and minds in here as it is.

Again, I think you have it backwards. First post of this thread calls AoS "hot garbage". Is that not divisive? Do you think that kind of discourse can win hearts and minds?

Lord Kragan wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Deep breaths, Lord Kragon. In and out, in and out. In with the good feeling, out with the anger.

If there's one thing I resent about AoS it's that it's split the community so much. If things had been different we'd be talking like colleagues and enjoying ourselves instead.
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Lord Kragan wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
What about a mustache so great it lets me re-roll failed to hits

Beard or bust brah! no self respecting duardin has not a beard!

And no self-respecting Fyreslayer has not a beard on fire.

Beards are so in that even the God-King sports one.

He doesnt get a pass, still not Duardin, so even with his wannabeard, he gets 2 of the 3 cannons to the grill.
(in full disclosure, I despise sigmar ((whom I refer to as suckmar after reading his age of legends trilogy)) as the least interesting character in the entire warhammer/AoS existence. brooding emo barbarian doofus who couldnt even carry his own trilogy. so he gets shot regardless...waaah waaah my poor ravenna...suck it up buttercup.)

In hindsight he's a jackass.

Still I prefer Gork and Mork plus the Ironjawz (and specially I like the bonesplitterz).

I partly blame the author for making him such an uncompelling character. He was the buzzkill of what was otherwise a damn good trilogy. that and then in AoS making all these races who have their own gods and histories ride his junk was just awful. Grungi should have pimp slapped him (I could accept Gork and Mork ((or Mork and Gork as one prefers)) to kick his emo arse)

I can partly agree with statement in his trilogy. I found the founder of Marienburg alot more interesting a character. Sigmar was so-so.

Races worshipping him in AoS is alright since he's more the god of Order rather than just of humanity. Just another diety in the pantheon and the only one offering safety to them when chaos overwhelmed the realms.

Baron Klatz wrote:
I can partly agree with statement in his trilogy. I found the founder of Marienburg alot more interesting a character. Sigmar was so-so.

Races worshipping him in AoS is alright since he's more the god of Order rather than just of humanity. Just another diety in the pantheon and the only one offering safety to them when chaos overwhelmed the realms.

Funny enough the other races don't worship him Sigmar just wants them to follow his laws if they are going to live in his city. Cause last time someone broke the law(civil war goaded by chaos cultists) he incinerated them and then setup a council with each race having a representative to prevent it from happening again I do agree with you on the founder of Marienburg and the side characters were a lot more interesting.

Hell soon as the gates of ayzr opened the wanderer's left and became nomadic connecting the lines of life magic across the realms which of course will empower their goddess the everqueen.

When someone questioned josh(Note:His opinion) about what the undead were doing he noted that soon as nagash's war with Archaon started majority to all the undead suddenly just packed up their bags from across all the realms and went to shyish.

 shinros wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
I can partly agree with statement in his trilogy. I found the founder of Marienburg alot more interesting a character. Sigmar was so-so.

Races worshipping him in AoS is alright since he's more the god of Order rather than just of humanity. Just another diety in the pantheon and the only one offering safety to them when chaos overwhelmed the realms.

Funny enough the other races don't worship him Sigmar just wants them to follow his laws if they are going to live in his city. Cause last time someone broke the law(civil war goaded by chaos cultists) he incinerated them and then setup a council with each race having a representative to prevent it from happening again I do agree with you on the founder of Marienburg and the side characters were a lot more interesting.

Hell soon as the gates of ayzr opened the wanderer's left and became nomadic connecting the lines of life magic across the realms which of course will empower their goddess the everqueen.

When someone questioned josh(Note:His opinion) about what the undead were doing he noted that soon as nagash's war with Archaon started majority to all the undead suddenly just packed up their bags from across all the realms and went to shyish.

That was something else that bothered me. I love Nagash (his books were awesome) but making him a god and all that to me feels rubbish. I have never approved of "mortals become gods" trope (mostly because it cheapens the gods that already exist) and he was such a good villain. That scary thing mentioned on the edge of memory. Now he seems more clownshoes and "knowable"

 thekingofkings wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
I can partly agree with statement in his trilogy. I found the founder of Marienburg alot more interesting a character. Sigmar was so-so.

Races worshipping him in AoS is alright since he's more the god of Order rather than just of humanity. Just another diety in the pantheon and the only one offering safety to them when chaos overwhelmed the realms.

Funny enough the other races don't worship him Sigmar just wants them to follow his laws if they are going to live in his city. Cause last time someone broke the law(civil war goaded by chaos cultists) he incinerated them and then setup a council with each race having a representative to prevent it from happening again I do agree with you on the founder of Marienburg and the side characters were a lot more interesting.

Hell soon as the gates of ayzr opened the wanderer's left and became nomadic connecting the lines of life magic across the realms which of course will empower their goddess the everqueen.

When someone questioned josh(Note:His opinion) about what the undead were doing he noted that soon as nagash's war with Archaon started majority to all the undead suddenly just packed up their bags from across all the realms and went to shyish.

That was something else that bothered me. I love Nagash (his books were awesome) but making him a god and all that to me feels rubbish. I have never approved of "mortals become gods" trope (mostly because it cheapens the gods that already exist) and he was such a good villain. That scary thing mentioned on the edge of memory. Now he seems more clownshoes and "knowable"

Times of legends nagash? Eh I personally did not enjoy his book they got a lot of lore wrong and nagash was pretty much sidelined the side characters took up most of the book when it should of been about him. On the whole mortal become god trope I personally felt it made warhammer more lovecraft since it appears it's an eternal cycle of war where gods rise to fight chaos (in their own way) but are eventually defeated by chaos consumed and tortured (Ursun the kislev god is in the tortured category by the horned rat but spread his essence to the people of ghur and the land this is revealed in AOS in the warbeast novel).

Many of the warhammer world gods are actually refugee's from a previous world destroyed by chaos the question is will it be different this time. In context I finally understand why Ulric was so upset with Teclis and how he handled the flame since he felt they(Lileath and teclis) ruined their chances and as a wolf he now just wants to tear out his throat since he knows they lost. They made the point "A wolf does not die well". Unfortunately for Lileath her plan got ruined because she did not learn how to treat your followers better. *Looks at bretonnia*

The hopelessness in the face of chaos but perhaps maybe there is hope? Everything the warhammer gods did finally made sense I mean some parts of it were obviously bad but I think that aspect was one of the good parts. Hell Ulric and Taal were most likely actual brothers when mortal. Now the characters we know love or hate finally understand the predicament of chaos you get a sense of that in the writing, what they say and how they act.

 shinros wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
I can partly agree with statement in his trilogy. I found the founder of Marienburg alot more interesting a character. Sigmar was so-so.

Races worshipping him in AoS is alright since he's more the god of Order rather than just of humanity. Just another diety in the pantheon and the only one offering safety to them when chaos overwhelmed the realms.

Funny enough the other races don't worship him Sigmar just wants them to follow his laws if they are going to live in his city. Cause last time someone broke the law(civil war goaded by chaos cultists) he incinerated them and then setup a council with each race having a representative to prevent it from happening again I do agree with you on the founder of Marienburg and the side characters were a lot more interesting.

Hell soon as the gates of ayzr opened the wanderer's left and became nomadic connecting the lines of life magic across the realms which of course will empower their goddess the everqueen.

When someone questioned josh(Note:His opinion) about what the undead were doing he noted that soon as nagash's war with Archaon started majority to all the undead suddenly just packed up their bags from across all the realms and went to shyish.

That was something else that bothered me. I love Nagash (his books were awesome) but making him a god and all that to me feels rubbish. I have never approved of "mortals become gods" trope (mostly because it cheapens the gods that already exist) and he was such a good villain. That scary thing mentioned on the edge of memory. Now he seems more clownshoes and "knowable"

Times of legends nagash? Eh I personally did not enjoy his book they got a lot of lore wrong and nagash was pretty much sidelined the side characters took up most of the book when it should of been about him. On the whole mortal become god trope I personally felt it made warhammer more lovecraft since it appears it's an eternal cycle of war where gods rise to fight chaos (in their own way) but are eventually defeated by chaos consumed and tortured (Ursun the kislev god is in the tortured category by the horned rat but spread his essence to the people of ghur and the land this is revealed in AOS in the warbeast novel).

Many of the warhammer world gods are actually refugee's from a previous world destroyed by chaos the question is will it be different this time. In context I finally understand why Ulric was so upset with Teclis and how he handled the flame since he felt they(Lileath and teclis) ruined their chances and as a wolf he now just wants to tear out his throat since he knows they lost. They made the point "A wolf does not die well". Unfortunately for Lileath her plan got ruined because she did not learn how to treat your followers better. *Looks at bretonnia*

The hopelessness in the face of chaos but perhaps maybe there is hope? Everything the warhammer gods did finally made sense I mean some parts of it were obviously bad but I think that aspect was one of the good parts. Hell Ulric and Taal were most likely actual brothers when mortal. Now the characters we know love or hate finally understand the predicament of chaos you get a sense of that in the writing, what they say and how they act.

So yeah, a massive tonal shift here. Dark fantasy vs "heavy metal" (assuming you read that magazine) The hopelessness in the face of chaos added a grim aspect to the old world, here it feels so much "meh" with them going the infinite route. while I am not opposed to the "other worlds" concept, this felt too much like developers sitting around a bong with old 8th edition lore books.

nels1031 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:



And there's the question of the day: if you are an AOS player and not a WFB Legacy player, why are you even in this

1. Most AoS players played WHFB, hence why they still peruse this legacy forum and take part in discussions about the game(s).
2. It mentions AoS in the title.

However, I believe that the person I was addressing themselves said that they didn't TOUCH fantasy gaming until AOS. Him/her coming here was white knighing, pure and simple. And the antagonistic feeding of the troll is proof of that. Especially given that rather ugly comment the troll made a few posts up, which will hopefully be deleted soon.

nels1031 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

let alone in a thread actively trying to goad someone?

I think you have it backwards. Check the post history of that certain "someone" and tell me it's not a troll.

I think we're on the same page with him being a troll, I question feeding him and getting flat out antagonistic in their pro-AOS commentary.

nels1031 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

THIS is the exact kind of behavior that is dividing the community, and it isn't going to win hearts and minds in here as it is.

Again, I think you have it backwards. First post of this thread calls AoS "hot garbage". Is that not divisive? Do you think that kind of discourse can win hearts and minds?

And if you look after that initial post, there isn't anything near as bad being said other than essentially "not my preference" or "doesn't get played here". And I think that AOS IS hot garbage compared to 6th Ed. WFB, and it is a valid opinion. State you disagree, great, but don't badger me constantly expecting to win me over. I tried it, didn't like it, have no intention of trying it again. I don't beat that kin over the head with the 6th Ed. rulebook, he/she can lay off the same behavior.



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Lord Kragan wrote:
Postive WHFB thread bombed by AoS followers, yeah gotta love the vagueness and the hard proof you have. A pity Warseer's data was lost forever, almost too convenient?

And this isn't a positive WHFB this is outright lambasting AoS.

This is a fething forum. EVERYTHING POSTED HERE IS A DEBATE. From the lists to the lore discussions. Everything is a debate.

Forum: a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. By its own bloody definition this is a Debate, because they are exchanging views and opinions and arguing about their validity. Learn about what you talk before speaking.

The pot called the kettle black I guess, with the guilt and all.

You're adorable, just so you know. As I said in the post I just posted, just because someone strongly dislikes something doesn't mean you need to swoop in and sway them. They have their reasons. You didn't play WFB if memory serves, and didn't play fantasy gaming until AOS, so past saying "AOS is super tasty good and the specialist ever!!!!!11!!" can you even add to this?

And how was I guilting you, oh pot?

Apparently WHFB was only gaming. Certainly there was no lore into it and I didn't follow the old world's story. Apparently you could only be a warhammer fan if you play the minis, despite having the army books of most armies (pirate of course, I wasn't going to pay for them) and about half the novels across the years.Put a socket on it, will you? I'm not going to follow everyone's post story just to acertain wether or not they are trolls.

Saying: "I'm white knighting" Is guilting. You're trying to make someone be ashamed by attributing them a socially reviled trait. "AoS go and bother-or whatever is you'd like to say- fantasy fans! They bombed a warseer thread" Is guilting me: I'm a AoS fan, ergo I'll do awful things to Fantasy fans. And so on.

But hey, don't worry, your strawmans will be always there for you.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Apparently WHFB was only gaming. Certainly there was no lore into it and I didn't follow the old world's story. Apparently you could only be a warhammer fan if you play the minis, despite having the army books of most armies (pirate of course, I wasn't going to pay for them) and about half the novels across the years.

And you never mentioned that. You only mentioned having never touched Fantasy until AOS. So lacking the telepathic ability to ascertain what you have or have not pirated off the internet in your free time will of course lead me to not take that into consideration. So now we know: you paid attention to the fluff, just never bought a single model or played a single game until AOS. Got it. Therefore that part of it IS INDEED something belonging in this subforum, as well as why you didn't bother playing until the ruleset came out. Though I don't think you touched on that.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Put a socket on it, will you? I'm not going to follow everyone's post story just to acertain wether or not they are trolls.

It's pretty easy without looking up someone's post history: person gets antagonistic, you don't goad them to further comments. And the idiom is "put a sock on it", I was genuinely confused for a second there, but also understanding because I know English isn't your first language.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Saying: "I'm white knighting" Is guilting.

No, saying you are "white knighting" is saying you are "white knighting". Whether you feel guilty about it or not is on you. Calling out overzealousness is not guilting. If I was irascible about something, I would certainly hope people would make that abundantly clear to me and let me make my own decisions with how to proceed.

Lord Kragan wrote:
You're trying to make someone be ashamed by attributing them a socially reviled trait.

Socially reviled? I wouldn't say that. I'd say that white knighting is more annoying and divisive, and kills genuine discourse, but I wouldn't say socially reviled. Dendrophilia is socially reviled, I wouldn't lump white knighting in with that. Would you?

Lord Kragan wrote:
"AoS go and bother-or whatever is you'd like to say- fantasy fans! They bombed a warseer thread" Is guilting me: I'm a AoS fan, ergo I'll do awful things to Fantasy fans. And so on.

But hey, don't worry, your strawmans will be always there for you.

It's not just one warseer thread, but I don't feel like 1. scrolling through other forums to prove my point, and 2. posting stuff you will simply ignore anyway. You like AOS. Other people like AOS, others don't. I don't. That part of the conversation is over.




Now, back to the OP, already in progress...

With an Autobot for a avatar,. Socket is more appropriate than sock

The socket thing was funny I got it before you posted that thing clarifying it