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I see, that makes a lot more sense than him straight up fighting 4 daemon princes in hand to hand combat.

He hurt one of them I think before the tzeentch one teleported them all out before the cave collapsed.

Well I do recall rumors said this will be the year of tzeentch. For AOS and 40k. The last AOS campaign book has tzeentch's sliver towers appearing in reality on the very last page.

It's happening in 40k as well with TS.

Is it too late to buy War Zone Fenris Part I? Are the books sold out and forever gone and the only option is e books or iPad versions?

This looks interesting, wonder why I didn't bother the first time around.

They just recently re-released it as a softback.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
They just recently re-released it as a softback.

Thank you very much. I will keep my eye for it and see if my FLGS has it.

 gorgon wrote:
MY GOD. THEY'RE ZENTRAEDI!





Muster the Valkyrie-class Titans!

"They have culture...."

"Proto-Culture?...."

Giant Dongs of Doom. Here's hoping we get plastic Rubrics.

Looks a lot like the Shadow Planet Killer from Babylon 5. Nice art!

The giant snake thing made me think: Void Dragon.

Triszin wrote:
Grimnar, Ulrik, and his entire first company + Wulfen + Egils terminators

fought 4 deamon princes and hordes of deamons.

Non of the deamon princes died, it was a ploy to get grimnar and his force down there, open warp rifts and leave, causing the cavern to destabilize and collapse.

AS of the end of the legacy of russ series, Grimnar is still missing as are the living member of the assault force.

They've found chunks of grimnars armor so far.


so people getting perturbed about strenght levels of grimnar obviously havent read the books.

Thanks, Triszin

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

Roknar wrote:
Wait, I know Grimnar is supposed to be super bad ass, but fighting four daemon princes simultaneously? I'm not up to speed on how strong a DP is supposed to be in the fluff but that seems like hogwash to me. How does that make sense?

Because he has stupid levels of plot armor. He shouldn't be able to. But he's a SM and a Wolflord. Being able to topple Abbadon might be possible for him, but 4 DPs should be impossible. He's rolling into Mary Sue town to have a drink with Draigo.

Just now? Space Wolves usually stay around that level.

I didn't even blink when I read that, I remember when I read Battle of the Fang, when Magnus, the primarch who was famed for destroying several titans alone by waving at them with an angry fist, shows up immortal and more powerful than ever, he proceeds to nonchalantly wreck the living gak out of everything with little to no effort UNTIL he makes the mistake of attacking the ones with plot armour, literally gets punched to near death and is abolished shortly after getting his ass kicked... Shame, I thought it was a decent book up until that...

 Zewrath wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

Roknar wrote:
Wait, I know Grimnar is supposed to be super bad ass, but fighting four daemon princes simultaneously? I'm not up to speed on how strong a DP is supposed to be in the fluff but that seems like hogwash to me. How does that make sense?

Because he has stupid levels of plot armor. He shouldn't be able to. But he's a SM and a Wolflord. Being able to topple Abbadon might be possible for him, but 4 DPs should be impossible. He's rolling into Mary Sue town to have a drink with Draigo.

Just now? Space Wolves usually stay around that level.

I didn't even blink when I read that, I remember when I read Battle of the Fang, when Magnus, the primarch who was famed for destroying several titans alone by waving at them with an angry fist, shows up immortal and more powerful than ever, he proceeds to nonchalantly wreck the living gak out of everything with little to no effort UNTIL he makes the mistake of attacking the ones with plot armour, literally gets punched to near death and is abolished shortly after getting his ass kicked... Shame, I thought it was a decent book up until that...

Then you've got the Inquisitorial War, Grimnar killing a Grey Knight Master easily... Space Wolves have always been over the top.

... Which reminds me, why exactly are the Space Wolves tolerated after showing hostility towards the inquisition, killing grey knights and having a chapter master that wields a daemonic weapon? I mean, wtf.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Then you've got the Inquisitorial War, Grimnar killing a Grey Knight Master easily... Space Wolves have always been over the top.

And at that point he didnt even have his wolfy jingle bells sleigh! Grimar is That Good!

Really looking forward to some proper tzeench stuff, but if those are actual silver towers, Im quite dissapointed. I thought they would be more like... towers.
Looks a bit like a daemonic drop pod assault, just with huge drop vessels.
But I guess with the silver tower game, an in game model would be kind of awkward.

So if Azrael allowed Blackmane and Stern to go deep into the Rock to where the fallen are kept, is the big secret out in the open similar to the wolves and the wulfen?

Is there any chance we could collect all relevant rumors in the OP? I know that Lady Atia has discussed what's in the upcoming release, but can't find where at the moment.

 Zewrath wrote:
... Which reminds me, why exactly are the Space Wolves tolerated after showing hostility towards the inquisition, killing grey knights and having a chapter master that wields a daemonic weapon? I mean, wtf.

Because the Space Wolves are the Emperor's executioners and answer only to him.

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:
... Which reminds me, why exactly are the Space Wolves tolerated after showing hostility towards the inquisition, killing grey knights and having a chapter master that wields a daemonic weapon? I mean, wtf.

Because the Space Wolves are the Emperor's executioners and answer only to him.

Well they don't answer to anyone since the Emperor is a vegetable and HLoT would probably cover it up if the Big E started talking anyways.

 Fayric wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Then you've got the Inquisitorial War, Grimnar killing a Grey Knight Master easily... Space Wolves have always been over the top.

And at that point he didnt even have his wolfy jingle bells sleigh! Grimar is That Good!

Really looking forward to some proper tzeench stuff, but if those are actual silver towers, Im quite dissapointed. I thought they would be more like... towers.
Looks a bit like a daemonic drop pod assault, just with huge drop vessels.
But I guess with the silver tower game, an in game model would be kind of awkward.

To be fair, it's Tzeentch built, they could just be more mutated then the average silver towers, or just uniquely built and constantly shifting and swirling into new forms.

 Zewrath wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

Roknar wrote:
Wait, I know Grimnar is supposed to be super bad ass, but fighting four daemon princes simultaneously? I'm not up to speed on how strong a DP is supposed to be in the fluff but that seems like hogwash to me. How does that make sense?

Because he has stupid levels of plot armor. He shouldn't be able to. But he's a SM and a Wolflord. Being able to topple Abbadon might be possible for him, but 4 DPs should be impossible. He's rolling into Mary Sue town to have a drink with Draigo.

Just now? Space Wolves usually stay around that level.

I didn't even blink when I read that, I remember when I read Battle of the Fang, when Magnus, the primarch who was famed for destroying several titans alone by waving at them with an angry fist, shows up immortal and more powerful than ever, he proceeds to nonchalantly wreck the living gak out of everything with little to no effort UNTIL he makes the mistake of attacking the ones with plot armour, literally gets punched to near death and is abolished shortly after getting his ass kicked... Shame, I thought it was a decent book up until that...

I'm starting to second guess my decision to subscribe to 40k legends XD.

I would love to see Tzeentch finish off Fenris and blow it away. Space pups deserve it.

 warboss wrote:
So if Azrael allowed Blackmane and Stern to go deep into the Rock to where the fallen are kept, is the big secret out in the open similar to the wolves and the wulfen?

Wait a minute, just hold up. Azrael allowed Blackmane and some other SW into a section of the Rock they've murdered Inquisitors for even *asking* about? So now the SW know the DA entire dark-secret/hidden darkness thing (which I actually really like), which means everyone knows about it?

Hang on there's just something a little off about that. Granted pretty much every 40k player knows that the Rock is the remains of Caliban, the Fall of the 1st, and all that but it was a pretty big deal about how no-one else in the Imperium knows about it, but we're just letting Wolves stroll around the Rock now?

Way to ruin the background for the DA.

Doubt they went that deep into the Rock.

Stern of the Grey Knights, who apparently actually knew about the DA's dark little secret all along really they just didn't care. (The Fallen, likely not the Rock's full secrets)

I'm so bored of Space Wolf Mary Sueism. I really hope the entire chapter gets erased at this point, the models have become daft, the rules overblown, the whole concept jumped the shark by 5th ed. Wipe them all the hell out.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Doubt they went that deep into the Rock.

far as I can tell from earlier posts, He let them in because the changeling was down there, about to let all of the fallen out and he needed the help.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I'm so bored of Space Wolf Mary Sueism. I really hope the entire chapter gets erased at this point, the models have become daft, the rules overblown, the whole concept jumped the shark by 5th ed. Wipe them all the hell out.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Doubt they went that deep into the Rock.

Thanks for that. I just got a dirty look from my supervisor for laughing too loud.

Zewrath wrote:... Which reminds me, why exactly are the Space Wolves tolerated after showing hostility towards the inquisition, killing grey knights and having a chapter master that wields a daemonic weapon? I mean, wtf.

This is nothing compared to Grey Knights killing Sisters of Battle so they can apply their blood to their armour?

Or game wise Space Marines especially Grey Knights summoning deamons on the battlefield? Now that is WTF?!

A daemonic weapon ? What daemonc weapon do the SW have ?

The axe Morkai was taken from a Khorne Champion (I think) then reforged etc.