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Corsairs can take a 565 pt troop choice (Cloud dancers). I thought THAT was huge. O.o

Emperor titan because feth you, im gonna field a 4000 point model thats the size and weight of a small toddler and your not gonna do a damn thing about it know why? Emperor class weapons thats why, suck plasma and turbo lasers nerd!

Im behind 12 void shields

The higher i could get with greentide is 3908. If it counts as troops. No dedicated transports though.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Emperor titan because feth you, im gonna field a 4000 point model thats the size and weight of a small toddler and your not gonna do a damn thing about it know why? Emperor class weapons thats why, suck plasma and turbo lasers nerd!

Im behind 12 void shields

Still less than the Elysian platoon and loses to one Heresy-era tank destroyer, once the voids are down.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Tau (Farsight Enclaves): 943p
18 Gun Drones
9 Crisis suits (Bonding Knife Ritual)
8 Shas'ui
- 2 Missile Pods
- Shield Generator
1 Shas'vre
- Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suit
- Shield Generator
- Iridium

Replace the Shas'vre's equipment with FSE signature systems, mainly the Mirrorcodex, Seismic Fibrillator Node, and Warscraper Drone.

Now that crisis suit squad is 1003 points.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


Oh I thought someone said it was infinite! My mistake.

Deathwatch can do a unit of infinite size but it's via a formation so not technically a troop unit.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


Oh I thought someone said it was infinite! My mistake.

Deathwatch can do a unit of infinite size but it's via a formation so not technically a troop unit.

Oh! Thank you for the explanation!

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I mean, if you're just talking compulsory choices for an army, you could build a heresy army to be 2950 points with one model.

My personal best is 1075 points for my one compulsory model.

How?

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Emperor titan because feth you, im gonna field a 4000 point model thats the size and weight of a small toddler and your not gonna do a damn thing about it know why? Emperor class weapons thats why, suck plasma and turbo lasers nerd!

Im behind 12 void shields

... still not the most expensive single troop choice in the game.

9 tyranid warriors with all the upgrades lands around 500 points IIRC

20 mark of Nurgle chaos marines with additional close combat weapons, lascannon, plasma gun, icon of despair, and veterans of the long war comes to 413 points before you start giving the aspiring champion his upgrades and take a rhino

In a one on one fight the tyranid warriors ruin those guys

EDIT: Never mind, I just realised all of the cult troops can come in units of 20 too. Max Thousand Sons and Plague Marines both reach 600+ with full upgrades and fully upgraded rhinos

Imperialis Militia don't actually have platoons. They may be able to spend 510pts on twenty 3+-armoured Grenadiers with S5 boltguns riding in a 9-HP Gorgon with six lascannons, but that isn't about to keep them in the running for this one.

And 'unit of five T7 MCs as Troops' was promising from the Taghmata but the Castellax are capping out at 915pts.

I think the Elysian platoon wins under the parameters 'one Troops choice' at 4,217, the Deathwatch Kill Team wins as a single unit at 1,071, and the Fulmentarii (960), Castellax (915), and Farsight deathstar (1,003) get honourable mention as single units that are over 900pts without transports.


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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Emperor titan because feth you, im gonna field a 4000 point model thats the size and weight of a small toddler and your not gonna do a damn thing about it know why? Emperor class weapons thats why, suck plasma and turbo lasers nerd!

Im behind 12 void shields

...So, quick check, how is the Emperor Titan a Troops choice?

For that matter where are its rules? Biggest thing I'm finding in the Collegia Titanica section of the HH books is the Warlord.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
The Deathwatch Kill Team wins as a single unit at 1,071

That's not a single unit, it's a veteran squad and a corvus. Without a transport it tops out at 870, with it tops out at 1111.

A kill team (using the various kill team formations) can be a single unit of infinite size if we're allowing non-troops units. If we're sticking to a single troop unit then so far it's crisis suit squad at 943.

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I mean, if you're just talking compulsory choices for an army, you could build a heresy army to be 2950 points with one model.

My personal best is 1075 points for my one compulsory model.

How?

The Leviathan detachment in the Heresy has only a single compulsory slot - it's a Lord of War slot that does not have to respect the 25% restriction. I play an Ordinatus battery with 3 engines at 3000 points, but a kitted Warlord comes to 2950.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Imperialis Militia don't actually have platoons. They may be able to spend 510pts on twenty 3+-armoured Grenadiers with S5 boltguns riding in a 9-HP Gorgon with six lascannons, but that isn't about to keep them in the running for this one.

And 'unit of five T7 MCs as Troops' was promising from the Taghmata but the Castellax are capping out at 915pts.

I think the Elysian platoon wins under the parameters 'one Troops choice' at 4,217, the Deathwatch Kill Team wins as a single unit at 1,071, and the Fulmentarii (960), Castellax (915), and Farsight deathstar (1,003) get honourable mention as single units that are over 900pts without transports.


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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Emperor titan because feth you, im gonna field a 4000 point model thats the size and weight of a small toddler and your not gonna do a damn thing about it know why? Emperor class weapons thats why, suck plasma and turbo lasers nerd!

Im behind 12 void shields

...So, quick check, how is the Emperor Titan a Troops choice?

For that matter where are its rules? Biggest thing I'm finding in the Collegia Titanica section of the HH books is the Warlord.

They are from the way way back ago, I'm not sure if it was "official" but it was the accepted rules, kinda the same got that the land raider Aries falls into, ( the LR with a demolisher cannon on it)

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Imperialis Militia don't actually have platoons. They may be able to spend 510pts on twenty 3+-armoured Grenadiers with S5 boltguns riding in a 9-HP Gorgon with six lascannons, but that isn't about to keep them in the running for this one.

And 'unit of five T7 MCs as Troops' was promising from the Taghmata but the Castellax are capping out at 915pts.

I think the Elysian platoon wins under the parameters 'one Troops choice' at 4,217, the Deathwatch Kill Team wins as a single unit at 1,071, and the Fulmentarii (960), Castellax (915), and Farsight deathstar (1,003) get honourable mention as single units that are over 900pts without transports.


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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Emperor titan because feth you, im gonna field a 4000 point model thats the size and weight of a small toddler and your not gonna do a damn thing about it know why? Emperor class weapons thats why, suck plasma and turbo lasers nerd!

Im behind 12 void shields

...So, quick check, how is the Emperor Titan a Troops choice?

For that matter where are its rules? Biggest thing I'm finding in the Collegia Titanica section of the HH books is the Warlord.

They are from the way way back ago, I'm not sure if it was "official" but it was the accepted rules, kinda the same got that the land raider Aries falls into, ( the LR with a demolisher cannon on it)

The 4th Edition apoc book had rules for it. Honestly I don't remember being that impressed.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Imperialis Militia don't actually have platoons. They may be able to spend 510pts on twenty 3+-armoured Grenadiers with S5 boltguns riding in a 9-HP Gorgon with six lascannons, but that isn't about to keep them in the running for this one.

And 'unit of five T7 MCs as Troops' was promising from the Taghmata but the Castellax are capping out at 915pts.

I think the Elysian platoon wins under the parameters 'one Troops choice' at 4,217, the Deathwatch Kill Team wins as a single unit at 1,071, and the Fulmentarii (960), Castellax (915), and Farsight deathstar (1,003) get honourable mention as single units that are over 900pts without transports.


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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Emperor titan because feth you, im gonna field a 4000 point model thats the size and weight of a small toddler and your not gonna do a damn thing about it know why? Emperor class weapons thats why, suck plasma and turbo lasers nerd!

Im behind 12 void shields

...So, quick check, how is the Emperor Titan a Troops choice?

For that matter where are its rules? Biggest thing I'm finding in the Collegia Titanica section of the HH books is the Warlord.

They are from the way way back ago, I'm not sure if it was "official" but it was the accepted rules, kinda the same got that the land raider Aries falls into, ( the LR with a demolisher cannon on it)

If 'Apocalypse dataslate from 4th edition' qualifies as 'a Troops choice' there are plenty without size caps from back then. And from today.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
The Deathwatch Kill Team wins as a single unit at 1,071

That's not a single unit, it's a veteran squad and a corvus. Without a transport it tops out at 870, with it tops out at 1111.

A kill team (using the various kill team formations) can be a single unit of infinite size if we're allowing non-troops units. If we're sticking to a single troop unit then so far it's crisis suit squad at 943.

I thougt Kill Teams were limited to ten models? I guess will have to check the Codex once i geht back home.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
The Deathwatch Kill Team wins as a single unit at 1,071

That's not a single unit, it's a veteran squad and a corvus. Without a transport it tops out at 870, with it tops out at 1111.

A kill team (using the various kill team formations) can be a single unit of infinite size if we're allowing non-troops units. If we're sticking to a single troop unit then so far it's crisis suit squad at 943.

Got it, misread. Current leaderbord for a single Troops unit without transport (no Formations, force org slot changes OK) is the Farsight deathstar (at 968 with the draft FAQ disallowing multiple Relics on one model, 1,003 without), the Fulmentarius Terminator Squad (at 960pts), and the Castellax maniple (at 915pts). In single unit plus Dedicated Transport the lead is probably going to stay the Fulmentarii, and I expect the other two to be 30k units as well riding the weight of their 395-pt Spartans.

IA 13 Renegade Infantry Platoon with full gear is 1730 points. (That's assuming they can take fanatic with the correct HQ choice, and no I did not select every option.)

A master of the hoard can go even higher but I am lazy.

The chaos marine cult units are in the 500-600 range. Possessed (crimson slaughter troop) get close to 700. This is without transports.

Honourable mention to chaos rhinos which can be over 100 points alone!

I'm willing to branch out into other army roles to see if any other units at all can beat the Elysian Platoon. Anyone got any ideas?

A full squad of 20Plague Marines with plasma, veterans, Icon, champion with gift, meltabombs, 2fists, plasmapistol and Rhino with ALL the upgrades is 737 points. Quite nurgley with the two 7s in there

kambien wrote:isn't this 3 troops choices ?

The last codex allows Crisis units to field up to 9 models

Captain Joystick wrote:

Replace the Shas'vre's equipment with FSE signature systems, mainly the Mirrorcodex, Seismic Fibrillator Node, and Warscraper Drone.

Now that crisis suit squad is 1003 points.

Indeed, forgot about those!

nekooni wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
The Deathwatch Kill Team wins as a single unit at 1,071

That's not a single unit, it's a veteran squad and a corvus. Without a transport it tops out at 870, with it tops out at 1111.

A kill team (using the various kill team formations) can be a single unit of infinite size if we're allowing non-troops units. If we're sticking to a single troop unit then so far it's crisis suit squad at 943.

I thougt Kill Teams were limited to ten models? I guess will have to check the Codex once i geht back home.

That's a veteran squad. A kill team is a formation consisting of unlimited choices that form a single unit.

 Robin5t wrote:
I'm willing to branch out into other army roles to see if any other units at all can beat the Elysian Platoon. Anyone got any ideas?

If it doesn't need to be troops then Deathwatch win with an infinite size kill team.

What is the most expensive Troop WITHOUT a bunch of useless upgrades and that consists of only 1 unit?

10 GK Terminators with 2 Psycannons and a few Hammers/Halberds, maybe?

 Galef wrote:
What is the most expensive Troop WITHOUT a bunch of useless upgrades and that consists of only 1 unit?

10 GK Terminators with 2 Psycannons and a few Hammers/Halberds, maybe?

It's still the various platoons, if you cut out the "useless" stuff you can still field an enormous amount of models in one unit.

 sfshilo wrote:

 Galef wrote:
What is the most expensive Troop WITHOUT a bunch of useless upgrades and that consists of only 1 unit?

10 GK Terminators with 2 Psycannons and a few Hammers/Halberds, maybe?

It's still the various platoons, if you cut out the "useless" stuff you can still field an enormous amount of models in one unit.

But would anyone actually play them that way? I was under the impression that with 7th ed being a very heavy objective based game, splitting up platoons is the more common thing to do.

 Galef wrote:

 sfshilo wrote:

 Galef wrote:
What is the most expensive Troop WITHOUT a bunch of useless upgrades and that consists of only 1 unit?

10 GK Terminators with 2 Psycannons and a few Hammers/Halberds, maybe?

It's still the various platoons, if you cut out the "useless" stuff you can still field an enormous amount of models in one unit.

But would anyone actually play them that way? I was under the impression that with 7th ed being a very heavy objective based game, splitting up platoons is the more common thing to do.

Even if you split them up, they count as one 'choice' in the FOC.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
The Deathwatch Kill Team wins as a single unit at 1,071

That's not a single unit, it's a veteran squad and a corvus. Without a transport it tops out at 870, with it tops out at 1111.

A kill team (using the various kill team formations) can be a single unit of infinite size if we're allowing non-troops units. If we're sticking to a single troop unit then so far it's crisis suit squad at 943.

I thougt Kill Teams were limited to ten models? I guess will have to check the Codex once i geht back home.

That's a veteran squad. A kill team is a formation consisting of unlimited choices that form a single unit.

 Robin5t wrote:
I'm willing to branch out into other army roles to see if any other units at all can beat the Elysian Platoon. Anyone got any ideas?

If it doesn't need to be troops then Deathwatch win with an infinite size kill team.

What infinite size Killteam? Every formation has a limit, be it 10 man max or 4 Killteams for the Company.

If we are counting dedicated transports...

Green Tide, 29 'Eavy boyz/suqad * 10, with nob with PK & skorcha, 3 Big Shootas

+ 10 trukks with all possible options,

Somewhere around 4800 points.

Without the trukks I can't get it to exceed 3,950.