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I was in a limited CA detachment tournament with no other detachment or formation.. I only able take two flyrant..

I think it have not enough firepower for AV12 and upward..

So I think about replace one of flyrant and fex scything talon with Heavy Venom Cannon, two S9 ap4 shot while two of warrior broods have pie size blast. Do 36" volley fire at enemy who sitting at their deployment zone.

This topic is about long range weapons for warrior, fex and flyrant only.

Flyrants + Egrubs. Anything that can take Warp Lance
There are no other anti-AV weapons in the Nid codex worth mentioning.

Heavy Venom cannons have not existed in Nid army lists since 4th/5th Ed for a reason. Back then they were 2 Str10 shots on a Fex and the only long range anti-AV. Now they are just sad

Both of my flyrant already have egrub and brain leech.
Just that I don't like double twin brain leech.

Heavy Venom Cannon is still there but one S9 AP4.. cupcake size...

Yeah, on anything but harpies HVC is not good. Against high AV e-grubs are about it. Against AV12 a TL-DEVOURERS volley and an e-grubs template will usually get you 2 glancing hits. Lictors are also pretty decent. Infiltrate, weather a turn off shooting hopefully, then charge for 5 s6 rending attacks per body, and s6 rending can hurt anything AV14 or less.

I have a group of 3 hvc/tl div carnifexes and they just gather dust as my other much more maneuverable and cost effective units get fielded. Venom cannons need to all be upgraded to something like the miasma cannon with flamer template and small blast options. flamer would be str 2 ap5 poison 4+ blast would be str 7 ap4. Heavy would be str2 ap4 poison2+ and 2 shot str 8 ap3 sml blast.

Timeshadow wrote:
I have a group of 3 hvc/tl div carnifexes and they just gather dust as my other much more maneuverable and cost effective units get fielded. Venom cannons need to all be upgraded to something like the miasma cannon with flamer template and small blast options. flamer would be str 2 ap5 poison 4+ blast would be str 7 ap4. Heavy would be str2 ap4 poison2+ and 2 shot str 8 ap3 sml blast.

I feel like besides raw stats, it should have some type of corrosive special rule to go with the whole "venom" part of the cannon, where once it hits a target, regardless of whether or not it pens or glances/wounds, it lowers its AV value on the facing it was hit on by 1 on a 4+, likewise it would apply the same effect to a MC's armour save who are hit by it. This way, instead of being a flat out powerful weapon, it slowly whittles down the defences until AP is not a concern anymore and even gaunts can start getting in on the action.

It's a small blast so you're going to miss more often than not, really don't bother with it.

Stranglethorn Cannon Is bigger blast size but only useful vs hoards that I can handle. It is 'hide at back of the field' unit that was pest. Hurt my minions and send my genestealer licking their wound before they see the combat..

Miamsa Cannon is good but useless vs vehicle.

Biovoir is good but I don't have model and my wife kill me if I buy guards and convert it.

I have a zoanthorpe, but I build rest as Venomthorpe

I can add harpy, but need replace unit somehow. My list already have include crone, 4x haywire missile

I can put list here if require.

just bring some mucolids. Those things are superhappyfuntimes in a bitesize package.

Otherwise nothing compares to the damage output of Devourers with Da Worms.

While the inordinate effetiveness of TLDWBLWs is a sign of the codex's horrible internal balance, the HVC does have double the range and can harm AV13+.

Two flyrants with EGrubs are a must, beyond that I'd take a Crone for extra haywire missiles. It'll do more damage than HVCs on a cheaper, more mobile, tougher platform. Crones all the way if you're seeing more armor than you can handle. But, there are very few armored lists currently possible.

 Grimskul wrote:

Timeshadow wrote:
I have a group of 3 hvc/tl div carnifexes and they just gather dust as my other much more maneuverable and cost effective units get fielded. Venom cannons need to all be upgraded to something like the miasma cannon with flamer template and small blast options. flamer would be str 2 ap5 poison 4+ blast would be str 7 ap4. Heavy would be str2 ap4 poison2+ and 2 shot str 8 ap3 sml blast.

I feel like besides raw stats, it should have some type of corrosive special rule to go with the whole "venom" part of the cannon, where once it hits a target, regardless of whether or not it pens or glances/wounds, it lowers its AV value on the facing it was hit on by 1 on a 4+, likewise it would apply the same effect to a MC's armour save who are hit by it. This way, instead of being a flat out powerful weapon, it slowly whittles down the defences until AP is not a concern anymore and even gaunts can start getting in on the action.

The complete lack of any characterful rules like this are one of the saddest things about current Nids.

Alcibiades wrote:
While the inordinate effetiveness of TLDWBLWs is a sign of the codex's horrible internal balance, the HVC does have double the range and can harm AV13+.

That, I was agreed with... And strength 9 can id on any T4 or below model. Get enough long range like HVC can made more chance of hit and made opposing headaches.

But it mean throw away point and pointless against drop pod spam.

Lite Venom Cannon is meh.. can use deathspitter for S5 18" assault 3, good for warriors because they can take two of them for price of single VC.


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Here my list. planning to take that to tournament...

+++ Bethmoth killteam Northern 1 (1500pts) +++

++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Heavy Venom Cannon, Powers of the Hive Mind, Psyker (Mastery Level 2), Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

Hive Tyrant [Electroshock Grubs, Heavy Venom Cannon, Powers of the Hive Mind, Psyker (Mastery Level 2), Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]

+ Elites +

Venomthrope Brood
3x Venomthrope [3x Lashwhips, 3x Toxic Miasma]

Zoanthrope Brood [Zoanthrope]

+ Troops +

Genestealer Brood
Genestealer [Rending Claws]
Genestealer [Rending Claws]
Genestealer [Rending Claws]
Genestealer [Rending Claws]
Genestealer [Rending Claws]

Termagant Brood
10x Fleshborer Termagant [10x Fleshborer]

Termagant Brood
10x Fleshborer Termagant [10x Fleshborer]

Tyranid Warrior Brood
Tyranid Warrior [Deathspitter, Scything Talons]
Tyranid Warrior [Deathspitter, Scything Talons]
Tyranid Warrior [Devourer, Scything Talons]

Tyranid Warrior Brood
Tyranid Warrior [Deathspitter, Scything Talons]
Tyranid Warrior [Deathspitter, Scything Talons]
Tyranid Warrior [Devourer, Scything Talons]

+ Fast Attack +

Gargoyle Brood
30x Gargoyle [30x Blinding Venom, 30x Fleshborer]

Hive Crone [Drool Cannon, Scything Talons, 4x Tentaclids]

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifex Brood
Carnifex [Heavy Venom Cannon, Scything Talons]


Any feedback and critic are welcome.
Tactic- you can see I have three egrub, HVC plus a crone.
They are pretty likely to be tank hunter and there are no lord of war allow. ( thank god ) and one VP per unit or vehicle destroy.

All troop unit job is sitting on objective while fast unit do pest on them.

I'll need kill any unit like torrent dreadknight fast as I can before wipe out my troops.