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Triszin wrote:If GW actually has black friday sales...
I won't, can't believe that.
Fantasy axed. Deathwatch codex. Genestealer Cult Codex. Things people said would never happen. I think anything is possible now.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
I fully believe it is only a matter of time until Kroot and Sisters are released. Maybe they are going the AoS/Fantasy route with lots of small mini armies? The last major thing on people want lists is an entirely new Xenos army. I think all of this will happen under the new GW. They've listened to every single request so far.
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Gamgee wrote: They've listened to every single request so far.
We still have crappy bloated rules in 40K. We still have no official FAQs. So no they have not listened to EVERY SINGL request so far. Also how many people want the "random" out of the game? Still in the game.
Ah smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirror. GW hasn't changed. They are still the same company not giving people what they want. Oh yeah and where are my Fair, Balanced, Well Written Rules set and properly COSTED codices? No where in site they are.
We are still a year away from 8th edition of 40K. Until then we will not know if GW has changed at all. The 40K codices coming out now are still following the same path, too much random. So until then, GW hasn't changed, just smoke and mirrors, GW is giving the illusion of change.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
The HH prospero box will be released last week of october and featured on november WD...
Blood Bowl should be out at the end of november so i bet it will be the return of Blood Bowl on 25th november...
Gamgee wrote: They've listened to every single request so far.
We still have crappy bloated rules in 40K. We still have no official FAQs. So no they have not listened to EVERY SINGL request so far. Also how many people want the "random" out of the game? Still in the game.
Ah smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirror. GW hasn't changed. They are still the same company not giving people what they want. Oh yeah and where are my Fair, Balanced, Well Written Rules set and properly COSTED codices? No where in site they are.
We are still a year away from 8th edition of 40K. Until then we will not know if GW has changed at all. The 40K codices coming out now are still following the same path, too much random. So until then, GW hasn't changed, just smoke and mirrors, GW is giving the illusion of change.
Actually, we have official FAQs for Age of Sigmar. Couple that with the removal of datacards following the GS cult release, and I think GW has learned their lesson.
Also, consider this - The warhammer fanbase is one of the biggest and largest wargaming communities in gaming. And they all have different opinions on what warhammer should be. Are you aware Davor that Warhammer has, until recently, been a random game of tables dice and figures? Seriously, the original game was almost 100% random tables.
If you dont like random, warhammer isnt for you. Plain and simple - the only thing stopping people from realizing that is their own pig-headedness.
All dice games are random to some degree. Some more, some less. GW is under pressure to make a product that pleases their entire community. They've begun to turn the failure that was AOS into a possible success. We have start collecting boxes, big discount bundles, affordable ways into both games now with the Kill-team starter and the myriad AOS starters, a reigned-in pricing scheme that is progressively more reasonable (still high, but stop kidding yourself if you want them to lower prices), consolidation of their entire paint range into brick and mortar stores, mainstream advertising with battle for vestros, live-streamed tournaments with commentary, the return of specialist games, and a book that actually made chaos not bad.
If you think they still aren't listening I don't think you know what the word means.
Date would match BloodBowl but that is hardly super secret anymore.
Wasn't there rumours about Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower expansion featuring Undead? October WD hints at reign of Necromancer coming to end in WHQ;ST but I may be reading too much into that...
That place is the harsh dark future far left with only war left.
Gamgee wrote: They've listened to every single request so far.
We still have crappy bloated rules in 40K. We still have no official FAQs. So no they have not listened to EVERY SINGL request so far. Also how many people want the "random" out of the game? Still in the game.
Ah smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirror. GW hasn't changed. They are still the same company not giving people what they want. Oh yeah and where are my Fair, Balanced, Well Written Rules set and properly COSTED codices? No where in site they are.
We are still a year away from 8th edition of 40K. Until then we will not know if GW has changed at all. The 40K codices coming out now are still following the same path, too much random. So until then, GW hasn't changed, just smoke and mirrors, GW is giving the illusion of change.
Actually, we have official FAQs for Age of Sigmar. Couple that with the removal of datacards following the GS cult release, and I think GW has learned their lesson.
Also, consider this - The warhammer fanbase is one of the biggest and largest wargaming communities in gaming. And they all have different opinions on what warhammer should be. Are you aware Davor that Warhammer has, until recently, been a random game of tables dice and figures? Seriously, the original game was almost 100% random tables.
If you dont like random, warhammer isnt for you. Plain and simple - the only thing stopping people from realizing that is their own pig-headedness.
All dice games are random to some degree. Some more, some less. GW is under pressure to make a product that pleases their entire community. They've begun to turn the failure that was AOS into a possible success. We have start collecting boxes, big discount bundles, affordable ways into both games now with the Kill-team starter and the myriad AOS starters, a reigned-in pricing scheme that is progressively more reasonable (still high, but stop kidding yourself if you want them to lower prices), consolidation of their entire paint range into brick and mortar stores, mainstream advertising with battle for vestros, live-streamed tournaments with commentary, the return of specialist games, and a book that actually made chaos not bad.
If you think they still aren't listening I don't think you know what the word means.
I respect that you have the right for having a differing opinion than me. I see you don't respect it the right to have a differing opinion than yourself.
Pigheadedness? For not agreeing with you?
Warlord traits, random roll, psychic powers random roll, what ability you get when you deploy, random roll. And that is even before the game starts and you even deploy. You can't even make a full army even before the game because of the randomness in the game.
But again, someone has a differing opinion and you find the result to name calling or shaming. Pigheadedness? For having a differing opinion? Ok then.
As for GW is under pressure? What pressure? They do what they want, they don't care what anyone else things. When 40K 8th edition comes out we will see if that changes, but right now, it's still the same old GW. Lazy writing, Lazy designing rules. Instead of costing things properly and fairly they just use random tables instead of costing points and this way people can choose what to use and want.
But yeah keep defending and if anyone who has a differing opinion just degrade them. Good job.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Barring GW doing anything totally mental(End Times 2: End of Sigmar - This Time It's Mystical and the return of WHFB? We can but dream ) I'd say Blood Bowl is the simplest and most likely possibility.
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Gamgee wrote: They've listened to every single request so far.
We still have crappy bloated rules in 40K. We still have no official FAQs. So no they have not listened to EVERY SINGL request so far. Also how many people want the "random" out of the game? Still in the game.
Ah smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirror. GW hasn't changed. They are still the same company not giving people what they want. Oh yeah and where are my Fair, Balanced, Well Written Rules set and properly COSTED codices? No where in site they are.
We are still a year away from 8th edition of 40K. Until then we will not know if GW has changed at all. The 40K codices coming out now are still following the same path, too much random. So until then, GW hasn't changed, just smoke and mirrors, GW is giving the illusion of change.
Actually, we have official FAQs for Age of Sigmar. Couple that with the removal of datacards following the GS cult release, and I think GW has learned their lesson.
Also, consider this - The warhammer fanbase is one of the biggest and largest wargaming communities in gaming. And they all have different opinions on what warhammer should be. Are you aware Davor that Warhammer has, until recently, been a random game of tables dice and figures? Seriously, the original game was almost 100% random tables.
If you dont like random, warhammer isnt for you. Plain and simple - the only thing stopping people from realizing that is their own pig-headedness.
All dice games are random to some degree. Some more, some less. GW is under pressure to make a product that pleases their entire community. They've begun to turn the failure that was AOS into a possible success. We have start collecting boxes, big discount bundles, affordable ways into both games now with the Kill-team starter and the myriad AOS starters, a reigned-in pricing scheme that is progressively more reasonable (still high, but stop kidding yourself if you want them to lower prices), consolidation of their entire paint range into brick and mortar stores, mainstream advertising with battle for vestros, live-streamed tournaments with commentary, the return of specialist games, and a book that actually made chaos not bad.
If you think they still aren't listening I don't think you know what the word means.
I respect that you have the right for having a differing opinion than me. I see you don't respect it the right to have a differing opinion than yourself.
Pigheadedness? For not agreeing with you?
Warlord traits, random roll, psychic powers random roll, what ability you get when you deploy, random roll. And that is even before the game starts and you even deploy. You can't even make a full army even before the game because of the randomness in the game.
But again, someone has a differing opinion and you find the result to name calling or shaming. Pigheadedness? For having a differing opinion? Ok then.
As for GW is under pressure? What pressure? They do what they want, they don't care what anyone else things. When 40K 8th edition comes out we will see if that changes, but right now, it's still the same old GW. Lazy writing, Lazy designing rules. Instead of costing things properly and fairly they just use random tables instead of costing points and this way people can choose what to use and want.
But yeah keep defending and if anyone who has a differing opinion just degrade them. Good job.
Can you point to the spot where I specifically called you pigheaded? If you can, you must be a wizard, because I never did. If you got that impression, try taking things less personal. I am fairly serious about that though. The people who claim to like 40k but never have any fun with it all are (in my experience) extremely stubborn people. They all now play warmachine. Coincidence? I'm not really going to write that one off. 40K isn't for everybody. But it seems that even the community can't decide who the game is for.
Have you ever popped in to a thread about "How to fix 40K?" Half the people want goofy, random rules and the other half wants iron-tight lawyer rules. Go check it out - it's not just on dakkadakka. Many other forums have the same threads, and the result you get for asking what people want is typically a very confused and contradictory one. We all agree we'd like a competitive rule set - but the style is where Games Workshop gets two different answers.
So how do you please two audiences that are basically asking for wholly different game systems? That's what kind of pressure they are under. If they didn't care what anyone else thinks, we would not have the kind of interaction we have experienced this year. Is it perfect? No, but it is a small start. To try and belittle that by stating they 'don't care' and 'aren't listening' is a tad bit disingenuous imo.
If you get a chance Davor, you should skim through one of the original rogue trader books. It was pretty random, all the way down to what weapons your models came with. By contrast, all you randomize today is Warlord Traits, Psychic Powers and deployment. Gosh, that was hard. If those three rolls of a D6 prevent you from having fun, then sure. It's your game, so play it (or don't) the way you want. But if people choose not to play simply because of three D6 rolls, then yeah, that's a kind of stubbornness.
Read this next part really carefully - I play 40K because I like the setting, the models and the premise. I'm fine with a mostly random ruleset, or a highly technical one. But I do want the game to be balanced either way.
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It'll probably be a chance to buy a $30 finecrap LESM captain with a useless load out after buying $100 worth of minis. Probably a recut of an old metal one too.
Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
1500 pts
: My Salamanders painting blog 16 Infantry and 2 Vehicles done so far!
2016/09/28 08:24:40
Subject: Re:GW 25 november midnight secret release.
Yeah Adeptus Titanicus has a planned release coinciding with the next Horus Heresy Weekender (February) last I heard. I doubt it'd all be done 2-3 months in advance.
) I'd say Blood Bowl is the simplest and most likely possibility.
The Empire 
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