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What is the list of all means to know if someone is secretly possessed? All I've seen so far is that banner that sets itself on fire nearby a daemon in the Ultramarines movie or that holy book in Daemonifuge that repels chaos which allowed to know that a certain person was possessed (or at least beared the mark of chaos). But all these cases seem pretty isolated (and that movie is clearly not the most trustworthy source).
Are there more regular means like some exorcism ritual, or spell alowing for example Grey Knights to spot a daemon in someone if they need to think twice before killing an important person suspected of possession?
   
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I would venture a guess that a daemon-possessed individual would have a relatively different aura to psykers. At least Eldar can actively recognize this difference, so I would think that human psykers might be able to as well.

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Psykers presumably can, and depending on the Daemon there may be some bleed-over weird phenomena nearby.

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It would be quite simple to notice if the daemon host art isn't an exception to the rule.

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Having them be near a null/blank of sufficient power is another way of , if near a pariah level blank its possible that just being near its presence is enough to banish the daemon from the host.

Other than that, typically strong enough psykers can sense another warp presence inside another person, Grey Knights are shown to be able to use their warp sight to see the daemon within, as was Lorgar when he saw Fulgrim post-possession.

I'm sure that there's probably also some form of holy ground that makes it hard for daemons to either manifest or stay in which would force the one possessed to either flee or leave the host body. Probably a consecrated resting place of an Imperial Saint.
   
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Psyk out grenade to head might also be a great detection method.

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In Dark Heresy (rpg), a psyker, using some powers, can tell if someone has a "daemonic influence". However, it is said that the deamons actively try to hide his influence, and imposes a penalty of 30 IIRC (30 being the max penalty in this game).
So, for a normal human psyker, according to Dark Heresy, first edition, it is possible but difficult to detect it.

Plus: if a telepath makes contact with a corrupted mind (like, trying to read a chaos corrupted cultist's mind), he can get corrupted too.
Just sayin'.

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 oldzoggy wrote:
It would be quite simple to notice if the daemon host art isn't an exception to the rule.

Daemons can usually hide such changes.

It's worth noting that certain Daemons will be better at hiding from detection that others. The Changeling for instance will be much more difficult to locate than, say, a Khornate Daemon.
   
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In Ravenor, we learn that the right sorts of daemon can hide themselves *quite* well, and even actively manifest psychic powers, while hiding themselves and the signs of such manifestations from psykers of Ravenor's power (read as: exceptional) and even non-psychic onlookers.

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Indeed. It depends how smart/subtle/powerful the daemon is.

To be honest, the Ordo Malleus' approach is generally "kill him anyway just in case."


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I know it's quite silly but, eyes, just use your eyes, or look into there soulless eyes, if it's a run of the mill possession, then it will be pretty noticeable pretty quickly, if it's one of those insidious ones, you won't know until it's too late.

Just my thoughts on it.
   
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Put a bullet in their head. If they're still standing then it's a demon, if they die then they have been reunited with The Emperor.

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Daemons are easy to spot. If they have red hair then its a dead give away...


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It can be very difficult to spot and even more difficult to suspect the right person since deamons naturally want to hide their existance. In DH you could actually play as a Deamon vessel, which was probably the coolest class. It gave you the ability to temporarily get demonic powers (like unnatural characteristics and healing, think of it as super fate points) at the cost of corruption and of course possible excecution.

There's one way to spot them though, which is the fact that possesion and demonic influence always corrupts their target. It can start with mood swings and unexplainable behaviour, strange nightmares and mental traumas and will eventually always be followed by physical disfigurations. Minor mutations and such. This is usually easy to hide and of course is the jurisdiction of the Inquisition who has varies methods of finding things out.

Finally, faith is anathema to deamons and the presence of holy artifacts and pure believers can cause it great distress. A deamon infmuenced person face to face with a confessor might for instance feel immensly uncomfortable. If spotted demonic influence can be exorcised in various means.

Many worlds have fallen because demonic influence was not spotted.

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 Mr Nobody wrote:
Put a bullet in their head. If they're still standing then it's a demon, if they die then they have been reunited with The Emperor.

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In 40K possession cannot persist long without the body being warped in some recognisable way, so a daemon has a relatively short window in which to use a host covertly.

It would stand to reason that some relics and relic auras would reveal corruption, perhaps a host might not even abide being in a sanctum or pass its bounds unless it manifests properly.

Possession is not however irredeemable, there is even an Inquisition sect which deliberately uses its members as hosts than then shortly after exorcises the daemon before it can cause damage. The purpose is twofold, once a person is or has been possessed they have fresh insight into the warp and the urgent necessity to confront it based on a celar understanding of the threat. Secondly and more importantly in 40k you can only be possessed once, once you have been a host for a daemon only that daemon can ever influence you, so if said daemon is removed and placed into a warded container or destroyed the Inquisitor can operate without fear of ever being possessed again and thus become a potent weapon against chaos. Needless to say these guys are radical, but not the type to use daemonhosts in general operations, they are highly puritanical and use possession for this means and this alone; so all told they are hard to quantify with regards to loyalty to the Ordo Malleus.

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 Orlanth wrote:
Secondly and more importantly in 40k you can only be possessed once, once you have been a host for a daemon only that daemon can ever influence you, so if said daemon is removed and placed into a warded container or destroyed the Inquisitor can operate without fear of ever being possessed again and thus become a potent weapon against chaos.

What, no.

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His pattern of returning alive after being declared dead occurred often enough during Cain's career that the Munitorum made a special ruling that Ciaphas Cain is to never be considered dead, despite evidence to the contrary. 
   
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Warp phenomena usually involves intense cold and electrical discharge. Electronics would go haywire, when close to a possessed individual. Sometimes there are weird shadows and light tricks involved, as well as strange color or glow of the eyes.

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 CadianGateTroll wrote:
Daemons are easy to spot. If they have red hair then its a dead give away...



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What most people do is either guess on one very strange man, or look for a chaos cult. If they find one, they turn the whole world into a death camp and root it out with methods such as seeing whether the people drown or float, or just ask Holy Terra and get a invasion, I mean check up from the Ordos Malleus, who are all psykers. Also, the Astropath choirs usually let people know via screaming. I mean singing.

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 Nerak wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Secondly and more importantly in 40k you can only be possessed once, once you have been a host for a daemon only that daemon can ever influence you, so if said daemon is removed and placed into a warded container or destroyed the Inquisitor can operate without fear of ever being possessed again and thus become a potent weapon against chaos.

What, no.


While I don't think he's entirely right he's not totally wrong either.
If you survive a possession you become resistant to them.
This was the case with the old Illuminati and I believe is still current Exorcists lore.
   
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Hiveworlders: We have found a daemon! (A daemon! a daemon!)
Burn her burn her!

Hiveworlder 1: We have found a daemon, may we burn her?
(cheers)
Inquisitor Vladimir: How do you know she is a daemon?
H2: She looks like one!
V: Bring her forward
(advance)
Woman: I'm not possessed! I'm not a daemon!
V: ehh... but you are dressed like one.
W: They dressed me up like this!
All: naah no we didn't... no.
W: And these aren't my horns, they're false ones.
(V lifts up fake horns)
V: Well?
H1: Well we did do the horns
V: The horns?
H1: ...And the tail, but she is a daemon!
(all: yeah, burn her burn her!)
V: Did you dress her up like this?
H1: No! (no no... no) Yes. (yes yeah) a bit (a bit bit a bit) But she has got a wart!
(H3 points at wart)
V: What makes you think she is a daemon?
H2: Well, she turned me into a grot!
V: A grot?!
(H2 pause & look around)
H2: I got better.
(pause)
H3: Burn her anyway! (burn her burn her burn!)
(planetary governor walks in)
V: There are ways of telling whether she is a daemon.
H1: Are there? Well then tell us! (tell us)
V: Tell me... what do you do with daemons?
H3: Burn'em! Burn them up! (burn burn burn)
V: What do you burn apart from daemons?
H1: More daemons! (H2 nudge H1)
(pause)
H3: Promethium!
V: So, why do daemons burn?
(long pause)
H2: Cuz they're made of... promethium?
V: Gooood.
(crowd congratulates H2)
V: So, how do we tell if she is made of promethium?
H1: Fuel a manufactorum with her!
V: Ahh, but can you not also fuel manufactorums with plasma reactors?
H1: Oh yeah...
V: Does promethium sink in chem sludge?
H1: No
H3: No. It floats!
H1: Let's throw her into the waste tank! (yeah yeah ya!)
V: What also floats in chem sludge?
H1: Protein bars
H3: Food paste
H2: Very small screws
(V looks annoyed)
H1: Rotgut
H3: Engine lubricants
H1: Vitamin substitutes
H3: Dust
Planetary governor: A ratling!
(all look and stare at governor)
V: Exactly! So, logically...
H1(thinking): If she weighs the same as a ratling... she's made of promethium!
V: And therefore,
(pause & think)
H3: A daemon! (H1: a daemon)(H2: a daemon)(all: a daemon!)

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