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I also like the LBSF a lot, I just don't like it with the LATF. It is way more aggressive than the demi company, and this can pay off. But it can also backfire.

The demi company happens to feature a lot of units I already like: captain, command squad, bikers, grav-capable devs. Tac squads can act like delivery systems for vet sergeants with zealot and furious charge in addition to packing a heavy flamer.

Not having obj sec at all sucks, so we'll have be very careful with what we target both with shooting and with assaulting.

Actually the one time I used it, having Astorath and a DC chaplain with 2+ armor to soak incidental fire worked pretty well. You can LoS S8+ as needed. My DC chappy also rolled up FNP which was cool. But the real engine behind my list is the knight. It's a very good distraction carnifex that contributes every turn.

True, it can definitely backfire. I'm sure I'll have that option eventually. It just hasnt happened yet.

10th company also works well with the LBSF, since it gives you extra bodies that can score, eat overwatch, and contribute to combat with str5 init5 attacks.

Gonna be really funny if this random thread on Dakka gets the full potential of this book figured out before the "pros" do.

I doubt there are any BA pros left.

Martel732 wrote:
I doubt there are any BA pros left.

Not specifically BA pros. Just the blogger/tournament goers.

Honestly, I'm not sure they'll spend that much time thinking about it. Only if it can augment their White Scar grav cent list lol.

Thanks for the breakdown guys. I like your lists a lot Martel, however I don't have the models nor do I want to straight up steal lists. You're giving me some pretty good ideas though!

I just hate the current scout models, so I don't want to buy more. It seems like the 10th fits into a lot of lists pretty nicely though...

I don't think you were being too critical btw. I mainly used them together because I thought it was cool, not necessarily because it was a good combo.

I want to make an Archangels/GH list with Dante. I plan on having a bunch of gunslinging VVs coming down turn 1 with a CQC Sgt. To take advantage of the zealot after most die immediately. It probably isn't a great idea, but should be fun of hilarious at least... I already have a bunch of VVs from working towards the free PW formation I can't remember the name of...

Archangel sanguine wing.

Angles Blade minor annoyance #536 - the Rapid Assault Force.

I'd love to take some ASM in my lists - I've got a case full of Assault Marines that haven't seen the light of day since the new codex.
However there isn't any way of doing apart from taking a tactical tax in some form or another.

If only I could take the Rapid Assault Force outside of the Angels Blade as a formation, I could field jumpers back up my Dreads and Terminators

Can't you? I thought you could tag on any formation to a CAD as long as you follow the restriction's.

Rapid assault forces are not independent formations.

Curse you GW and forcing that new tactical box on us instead of Assault Marines *shakes fist*

@Martel732 How? Don't they have the 3 skull formation icon in their datasheet? I know they are an aux formation in the detachment itself but surely you can just add any one to a CAD for example?

They don't have data sheets; they only exist as entries under LBSF and the Angel's Blade. That's my interpretation.

So I've got an 1850 ITC style tournament in November and I'm thinking of mixing the LBSF with a CAD to give me a couple fast moving OBSEC units to grab objectives. This is the first draft of the list

LBSF
Command
-Death Company Chaplain

-Death Company Chaplain

Death Company Strike Force
-Death Company Chaplain
Guilded Crozius
Warlord

-10x Death Company
Jump packs
2 power fists

-5x Death Company
Jump packs
Power fist

-5x Death Company
Jump packs
Power fist

-Death Company Dreadnought
Blood talons
Magna grapple
Drop pod

10th Company Ambush Force
-5x Scouts
Shotguns

-5x Scouts
Shotguns

-5x Scouts
Combat Blades

Rapid Assault Force
-3x Bikers
2 grav guns
Combi grav

CAD
HQ
-Brother Corbulo

Troops
-5x Tactical Marines
Heavy flamer
Las/plas Razorback

-5x Tactical Marines
Heavy flamer
Las/plas Razorback

1848 points

I like that list, although I feel that 10 man DC units are very juicy targets. I want to know how it does vs mine which has the psychology of the IK in play.

I'm not sure about that list. The 10 man DC unit with Crozius Chaplain will get shot up, after that I'm not sure what the list offers I'm afraid ?

Having said that, I still haven't played a game post Angels Blade so take anything I say with a pinch of salt.
Hopefully will start getting some games in soon

Bartali wrote:
I'm not sure about that list. The 10 man DC unit with Crozius Chaplain will get shot up, after that I'm not sure what the list offers I'm afraid ?

Having said that, I still haven't played a game post Angels Blade so take anything I say with a pinch of salt.
Hopefully will start getting some games in soon

That's what the scouts are for, and the other 2 dc squads oddly enough. The 10 man squad is shockingly durable with the reroll 1s on fnp. Even 3 grav cents in rapid fire range only managed to kill 2 with a 5+ cover saves. The other units are numerous enough (scouts, DC dread, bike squad, smaller dc units) to punish you for focusing all your firepower on the big DC squad.

Plus the 10 man unit gives me an anti deathstar. 6in free move gives me a higher chance of charging said unit, and 6 attacks rerolling to hit and wound at str5 will kill pretty much anything in the game.

I'd be a lot more impressed if the crozius gave a straight up reroll to FNP. I actually like the armor better.

 th3maninblak wrote:

Bartali wrote:
I'm not sure about that list. The 10 man DC unit with Crozius Chaplain will get shot up, after that I'm not sure what the list offers I'm afraid ?

Having said that, I still haven't played a game post Angels Blade so take anything I say with a pinch of salt.
Hopefully will start getting some games in soon

That's what the scouts are for, and the other 2 dc squads oddly enough. The 10 man squad is shockingly durable with the reroll 1s on fnp. Even 3 grav cents in rapid fire range only managed to kill 2 with a 5+ cover saves. The other units are numerous enough (scouts, DC dread, bike squad, smaller dc units) to punish you for focusing all your firepower on the big DC squad.

Plus the 10 man unit gives me an anti deathstar. 6in free move gives me a higher chance of charging said unit, and 6 attacks rerolling to hit and wound at str5 will kill pretty much anything in the game.

You'll probably know you where quite lucky vs the Cents to loose only a couple of DC - computer says you loose 4-5 on average to Cents in 5+ cover, higher again if out of cover or if they have ignore cover.
Which tournament Cents will probably have, along with some form of re-roll to hit.

Anyhoo, I'm probably being a bit poo-pooing for something just on paper without having actually tried it out myself...

Martel732 wrote:
I'd be a lot more impressed if the crozius gave a straight up reroll to FNP. I actually like the armor better.

The reroll 1s has been enough, and the ap3 is great. I definitely like the idea of Astorath and a Reliquary Armored chaplain tanking wounds though.

Edit: also the math on that woth fnp+5+ cover is 3.7 dead marines, and that's without rerolling 1s. So i wasn't THAT lucky

Bit of a bump, but I'm planning on trying the LBSF+LATF soon with 10th company support. 5 combat scouts with melta bombs are riding in the redeemer with the techmarine, and I'll have 2 asscan baal preds and one auto/las pred. It may or may not work, but it's worth a try.

Good Luck, let us know how you get on.

Re Rapid Assault Force. I just assumed it couldn't be taken as a formation outside of Angels Blade 'cos the initial rules leak said so. I can't however find anything that stops me taking it as a separate formation ? It's just a formation without any command benefits ?

Actually yeah; i don't see why not.

There's nothing I can see in the rule book that states a formation must have a datasheet to count ?

What's more interesting from some of the lists I'm working on at the moment is the possibility of taking a command formation (for a Sang Priest) to add to other formations that wouldn't normally get that choice.

Obviously the Sang Priest would nuke that units formation special rules that he joined.

Picking up the redeemer today, so unfortunately I wont have it done for todays game vs KDK. But I'll let you all know how it goes.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Picking up the redeemer today, so unfortunately I wont have it done for todays game vs KDK. But I'll let you all know how it goes.

Why not the crusader? Just curious. All kinds of bad things happen at flamer range.

The Crusaders weapons are much easier to aim with and therefore fire with. Yeah everyone knows the Flamestorm is an awesome profile, but look at the platform it is on. How will that ever get into range, let alone the firing arc?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The Crusaders weapons are much easier to aim with and therefore fire with. Yeah everyone knows the Flamestorm is an awesome profile, but look at the platform it is on. How will that ever get into range, let alone the firing arc?

It's a fast vehicle in the formation, that gets a free 6in move at the start of the game and can scout 12in. So yeah, range wont be a problem.

So I used my Corbulo list i posted on this forum on page 6 against KDK. My enemy list was as follows.

2 Princes, both with wings and armor, one with bloodforged armor and the other with goredrinker

4x8 bloodletters with champions

3x soul grinders with phlegm

Gorepack with 3x3 bikes with power swords, and 3x5 flesh hounds.

Wanted to make it quick so we did dawn of war/killpoints. My dread and Corbulo were the MVPs, though the 10man DC squad killed whatever it touched. The daemon princes fell to a bunch of str5 ws5 attacks rerolling to hit and wound, and nothing else could really fight me. He did manage to summon 2 more dog squads and a bloodthirster, which was problematic. But I ended up winning by a wide margin. It was a blood bath though, on both sides.

Hey guys, I love this thread. I really enjoy reading up on what all everyone else is doing with Angel's Blade. I had a couple questions and musings and thought I'd ask about it with you guys.

Basically I keep staring at the 10th company ambush force and trying to figure a use for a scout bike squad. Under normal circumstances I'd almost never use the scout bikes for anything, but this concealed positions bonus keeps dragging me back. I'm not sure if this is really viable, but assuming since I would be forced to take cluster mines and I wouldn't wanna move the scouts anyways so they could keep their stealth bonus, would it be possible to set them up in a piece of 3+ or 4+ cover terrain then choose that very same terrain as the location for my cluster mines?

If I could, I sorta like the idea that a toughness 5 group of grenade launchers could just sit in dangerous terrain with a 2+ or 3+ cover save on top of it. I don't actually know that it would be very useful....buuuuuut kinda cool anyways. If you can.

Also, another thing I had been thinking about was the demi company vs the archangels demi company in regards to the Angels blade strike force. I know some of you had said earlier that you felt like zealot was pretty dope, but I wondered about critical mass. With regards to the demi company, the tac squads are just 1 wound 1 attack space bros, so doesn't it make more sense that the archangels demi company, all members of whom have 2 attacks, would benefit from the zealot bonus better? Does the normal battle demi company have any significant benefit then vs the archangels? I mean dreadnoughts and grav devs, but thats all I could think of really.

Anyways, just some stuff I'd been thinking about. I'm trying to come up with a new list and I've been considering all sorts of things like bolter DC vs CC DC and even whether I could get away with bolstering CC scouts with sanguinary priests with a CAD just to have some obsec or even if that would be worthwhile. Anyways, any insight is appreciated. Thanks guys

combi-grav and possibly rapid-firing s6 launchers.