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Wanting to start IG and wanted a list to aim for.

HQ:
Tank commander
Vanquisher
cammo netting
hull lascannon

Stock Leman Russ
cammo netting

Troops
Vets
3xmelta
grenadiers
chimera

Vets
3xmelta
grenadiers
chimera

690pts

My thoughts for the last points are drop the hull lascannon and get a wyvern. Have I gone to heavy on anti-tank?
Thanks for the help, you guys have been great in the past.

I would say drop one melta off each squad and add a heavy flamer in its place then drop both grenadier give each vet sarge a bolter and add in the wyvern ..then see how many points are left..(the extra armor just arnt that usefull to melta vets)
Oh yea and some of those extra points can be used for relic plating on the command tank and the BC tank and roll them ..

Thanks for the help, if I make the suggested changes (I have room for all of them) I have 17 points spare. Hunter killer missiles or dozer blades?

Dozer on each chimmy and relic on each leman

 angelsvermillion wrote:
Wanting to start IG and wanted a list to aim for.

HQ:
Tank commander
Vanquisher
cammo netting
hull lascannon

Stock Leman Russ
cammo netting

Troops
Vets
3xmelta
grenadiers
chimera

Vets
3xmelta
grenadiers
chimera

690pts

My thoughts for the last points are drop the hull lascannon and get a wyvern. Have I gone to heavy on anti-tank?
Thanks for the help, you guys have been great in the past.

Pask is so superior to a tank commander, you really should take him my friend.

Also the Vanquisher cannon just isn’t that good being only one shot. Pask with rending shots can pop av14 with a punisher cannon. And has 20 goes at it due to weight of shots. Also I would recommend the Taurox over the chimera, less front AV but better turret weapon and an extra fire point over the chimera. Cheaper point wise as well.

I would recommend this:

Pask
Leman Russ Punisher
-Lascannon
-Multi-Melta Sponsons - 210

Leman Russ Executioner
-Lascannon
-Plasma Sponsons – 195

10 Vets
-3 Grenade Launchers
-Taurox - 125

10 Vets
-3 Grenade Launchers
-Taurox - 125

Wyvern – 65

750

With pask and an executioner, you don’t need melta of the vets.

Hope this helps

Thanks for the help, always been wary of grenade launchers thought.

I'm muchly in the "pask isn't worth it" camp for the simple reason that his 30pts are going to have more reliable results spent on two plasma cannons.

instead, being a minor adjustment to the OP's list:
Tank Commander,
Punisher
Pcannon Sponsons

Paired Leman Russ Eradicator (ignores cover)
Erad
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
----340

Troops
Vets
3xmelta
grenadiers
chimera
--- 170

Vets
3xmelta
grenadiers
chimera
--- 170

Techpriest
Servitors x3
--- 70

The priest is not so much for his repair ability but his Power of the Machine spirit rule, which effectively allows you to attack 3 different targets with your heavy investment on the tank commander. (tank orders for split fire, and then POTMS for a turret gun) - or still shoot something when you've been stunned.

Double executioners can work wonders, but keep in mind that plasma sponsons fire *separately* from the main gun, so you'll always have either fewer hits from the plasma sponsons, or fewer from the main gun as a result of your first volley. Something to mop up the survivors (i.e. 3x heavy bolter) is often desirable, or just save your points for something else.

I have a couple of disagreements with earlier made points, but to each their own, right?

- Though I think Pask may not be that great on certain LR chassis like the Ordnance and Vanquisher variants, having many shots that use BS like the Exterminator and infamous Pasknisher, especially with Crack Shot and Rending, makes for some borderline cheesy shooting.

- I always take the 4+ armor on *mechanized* vets. IG dedicated transports are rather fragile, and prone to exploding (in my experience), and with the strength of the explosion increased to 4 against passengers, vets are going to take a lot of wounds. Unless you're comfortable with potentially removing half or more of your vet unit the same moment you remove your Chimera, I'd take the improved armor save to hopefully keep a few extra bodies to soak up shots later (at which time 4+ armor is great against most small arms fire!)

Quick reminder: do NOT post individual points costs - thanks!

Say What?!

Pask in a punisher with 20 shots with rending is one of if not the most competitive choice the the codex.

 mixer86 wrote:
Say What?!

Pask in a punisher with 20 shots with rending is one of if not the most competitive choice the the codex.

2.3 rending shots against 2-5 plasma shots for the same points. anything you *should be shooting a punisher at* is better served by being blasted with plasma. Pask's big deal is that he is a semi legitimate threat to some other targets, that's all.

For that matter, a HBolter armed punisher tank commander (with lets not forget, a rerollable 1 in 3 chance at PE or a shot at outflank which can be more valuable than PE in a lot of cases) gets better points per unsaved wound on MEQ (35:38), and is better on Thunderwolves by 48:55 ppw

 malamis wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:
Say What?!

Pask in a punisher with 20 shots with rending is one of if not the most competitive choice the the codex.

2.3 rending shots against 2-5 plasma shots for the same points. anything you *should be shooting a punisher at* is better served by being blasted with plasma. Pask's big deal is that he is a semi legitimate threat to some other targets, that's all.

For that matter, a HBolter armed punisher tank commander (with lets not forget, a rerollable 1 in 3 chance at PE or a shot at outflank which can be more valuable than PE in a lot of cases) gets better points per unsaved wound on MEQ (35:38), and is better on Thunderwolves by 48:55 ppw

I do not trust plasma cannons whatsoever because even at the cutting edge BS4, small blasts are prone either scatter far from your target, or only hit one or two models because the other guy playing isn't an idiot and spreads the unit running at a blast weapon. As soon as scatter rolls are involved, probability calculations might as well be thrown out the window, anyways. I'd rather have the opponent get lucky with his saves than me be unlucky with my hits. Oh, and Gets Hot is a pain in the arse if you don't use Pask's warlord trait or try to use the draft FAQ.

 KommissarKiln wrote:

 malamis wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:
Say What?!

Pask in a punisher with 20 shots with rending is one of if not the most competitive choice the the codex.

2.3 rending shots against 2-5 plasma shots for the same points. anything you *should be shooting a punisher at* is better served by being blasted with plasma. Pask's big deal is that he is a semi legitimate threat to some other targets, that's all.

For that matter, a HBolter armed punisher tank commander (with lets not forget, a rerollable 1 in 3 chance at PE or a shot at outflank which can be more valuable than PE in a lot of cases) gets better points per unsaved wound on MEQ (35:38), and is better on Thunderwolves by 48:55 ppw

I do not trust plasma cannons whatsoever because even at the cutting edge BS4, small blasts are prone either scatter far from your target, or only hit one or two models because the other guy playing isn't an idiot and spreads the unit running at a blast weapon. As soon as scatter rolls are involved, probability calculations might as well be thrown out the window, anyways. I'd rather have the opponent get lucky with his saves than me be unlucky with my hits. Oh, and Gets Hot is a pain in the arse if you don't use Pask's warlord trait or try to use the draft FAQ.

Scatter is flat 1/3 to hit with a drift of a further 15/36 canceled out by template size,base size and BS 4; even for bs3 your odds to hit are better than BS4 straight shots. If your opponent is competent as you say, then you're still going to get two hits average factoring in minimum coherency. If *you* are competent with the use of tank shock to force him to bunch up, suddenly the pcannon becomes crazy good.

The strength of the (armoured) guard is "we have more templates than you have models"