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 Just Tony wrote:
Who's to say they can't keep both? Or you could play a dead system, like everyone who stuck with WFB.

I would say that from the perspective of someone that likes "age of suckmar" that that is not a useful suggestion.

 auticus wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Who's to say they can't keep both? Or you could play a dead system, like everyone who stuck with WFB.

I would say that from the perspective of someone that likes "age of suckmar" that that is not a useful suggestion.

i am loving the new models as much as i did the old ones, and they all look so much better on round bases
i will be painting a lot more Fantasy minis now that i don't have to worry about building them to rank up, or put them on tiny square bases...
between that, and how awesome all of the new 40K minis are, especially the plastic character models, it is a great time to be a GW fan

cheers
jah

 auticus wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Who's to say they can't keep both? Or you could play a dead system, like everyone who stuck with WFB.

I would say that from the perspective of someone that likes "age of suckmar" that that is not a useful suggestion.

Ah. I get it now. You're fixated on the term "Age of Suckmar" from the post I first quoted, and that's all the further you've gotten. I never said "Age of Suckmar", so you are barking up the wrong tree there and missed the intent of my message. Also, I've been playing 6th Ed. WFB for almost a year now, and I'm doing quite okay. If it will salve whatever you have going on there, I will rescind that half of the good ideas post I made. Now here's an internet hug.

 jah-joshua wrote:
it is a great time to be a GW fan

Unless of course you were a GW fan that liked square bases and ranked combat, in which case feth them, eh?

God forbid you were a GW fan that liked Bretonnians or Tomb Kings.

Just Tony wrote:Who's to say they can't keep both? Or you could play a dead system, like everyone who stuck with WFB.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
it is a great time to be a GW fan

Unless of course you were a GW fan that liked square bases and ranked combat, in which case feth them, eh?

God forbid you were a GW fan that liked Bretonnians or Tomb Kings.

Guys, seriously. Try Kings of War.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
it is a great time to be a GW fan

Unless of course you were a GW fan that liked square bases and ranked combat, in which case feth them, eh?

God forbid you were a GW fan that liked Bretonnians or Tomb Kings.

why would i slag off people who liked squares and ranks???
no need to put words in my mouth...
i only speak for myself...

i have all of the Bretonnian and Tomb King models i could ever want...
buying minis when they were new releases 10 or 15 years ago takes care of that...
if people drag their feet, they run the risk of models going out of production...
simple as...

i'm sure there are plenty of disgruntled people selling off their armies cheap on eBay...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:

no need to put words in my mouth...

You can speak for yourself, but you literally said "it is a great time to be a GW fan", but that's predicated on you liking what GW have done, not an absolute statement and ignores fans who liked the stuff that was canned.

If you were a GW fan because of the square bases and ranked combat rather than in spite of them, it's a terrible time to be a GW fan.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

no need to put words in my mouth...

You can speak for yourself, but you literally said "it is a great time to be a GW fan", but that's predicated on you liking what GW have done, not an absolute statement and ignores fans who liked the stuff that was canned.

If you were a GW fan because of the square bases and ranked combat rather than in spite of them, it's a terrible time to be a GW fan.

that is a much more civil way to put it...
no need to put it like i'm saying screw them, aside from the fact that you have beef with all of my opinions...
again, i'm not ignoring anyone, just speaking for myself...
if you don't like what GW are doing, don't take it out on me for being happy...

cheers
jah

Round bases definitely look better - most of my 28mm stuff is on round bases with movement trays - so I'll give you that. I don't bother individually basing in 15mm because I'm not a sadist.

I'm still to be convinced that the aesthetic or game are any better though.

It's also a tautology to say that if you like what GW is doing now then it is a great time to be a fan. That is true of every point in GW's history. If you like what a company produces in a given moment, then it's a great time to like what a company produces in a given moment.

Says nothing.


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Also, round bases are awesome. All my chaos stuff is on round bases and I use it with various skirmish rules off the internet.

For those who like ranked up games I find that the currently available laser cut sabot bases for round bases are all excellent. The only real problem is that if a figure used to fit on 20mm across, but now has a 25mm base, you're going to have to accept some sort of hack to make everything work like it would with rules where the number of figures in the front rank matters.

 jah-joshua wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

no need to put words in my mouth...

You can speak for yourself, but you literally said "it is a great time to be a GW fan", but that's predicated on you liking what GW have done, not an absolute statement and ignores fans who liked the stuff that was canned.

If you were a GW fan because of the square bases and ranked combat rather than in spite of them, it's a terrible time to be a GW fan.

that is a much more civil way to put it...
no need to put it like i'm saying screw them, aside from the fact that you have beef with all of my opinions...
again, i'm not ignoring anyone, just speaking for myself...
if you don't like what GW are doing, don't take it out on me for being happy...

cheers
jah

For once I think it's time for you to take a chill pill there, jah. Notice how there was a question mark at the end of my sentence? That's because I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was leaving it open for you to respond to my observation that your statement was incomplete because your statement, intentionally or not, was ignoring anyone who was a GW fan but didn't like what GW was doing.

Here, let me reword your sentence in a way that would not have drawn a response from me...

"between that, and how awesome I think all of the new 40K minis are, especially the plastic character models, it is a great time for me to be a GW fan "

It's fine if you only speak for yourself.... however your grammar did not imply you were only speaking for yourself, it was implying a broad sweeping statement.

If that's wasn't what you meant, fine, but don't blame me for your misuse of the English language

take what i said in the context of the topic, and it makes more sense...

the topic: So, can we agree that GW has gotten better in the last year?

like Joyboozer said, "The OP seems to have spelled argue incorrectly." hahahahaha

here is what i actually said, before it was taken out of context:

"i am loving the new models as much as i did the old ones, and they all look so much better on round bases
i will be painting a lot more Fantasy minis now that i don't have to worry about building them to rank up, or put them on tiny square bases...
between that, and how awesome all of the new 40K minis are, especially the plastic character models, it is a great time to be a GW fan "

Skink is right, i should have ended that post with, "in my opinion", so nobody would feel that i was ignoring, or marginalizing their preference...

@Herzlos: i have never been a gamer, so i couldn't comment on whether or not the game is any better...
i can say that i preferred the intimacy of the WFB setting in the fiction...
luckily, i have nearly every WFB novel and sourcebook GW has published since Wolfriders and Ignorant Armies, the first anthologies from 1989, so i can happily re-read decades of fiction 'til the cows come home...

as for the aesthetic, i liked the old minis, too...
what i can say is that the new minis have me more inspired to paint than any of the old Fantasy models ever did...
for example, i bought Grimgore Ironhide and Gorbad Ironclaw, both stunning models in my opinion, but never painted either of them, because i was not a fan of square bases...
i bought the new Ork Megaboss, painted him immediately, and really enjoyed building his big round base...

@frozenwastes: again, context...
i said it was the new minis that make me feel that it is a good time to be a GW fan...
that also applies to other changes, as well, like the new White Dwarf format, and the switch to making new release characters in plastic rather than Finecast (which i refused to buy)...

i did not subscribe to White Dwarf Weekly, but instead collected the digital version of Warhammer Visions...
splitting the mag meant that i missed out on a lot of stuff, but i didn't like the format of the digital Weekly...
now that my local shop is selling Weekly back-issues for 95 cents, i have been buying them, and enjoying them quite a bit, but the new format makes me even happier

having to pass on 5 years of cool models, because they were cast in a crap material, was a bummer...
in the last year i have purchased nearly every character GW has released, because i am very impressed with the way that the new plastics are designed and cut...
every big box released in the last 12 months has been brimming with plastics that separated me from my money
every 40K clampack has done the same...

i never bought the metal Eldrad, because i was not a big enough fan of the Eldar to feel the need for that model...
the new plastic version in Death Masque changed that...
throw in an amazing version of Artemis, five awesome new Deathwatch Marines, and the wicked plastic Death Jester, and i didn't hesitate on buying the box...
same goes for Overkill (though i did collect all the metal Genestealer Cult, back in the day, and the metal Deathwatch conversion kit), Betrayal at Calth (plastic MkIV and Cataphractii are so nice), Silver Tower (the progress in plastics have made the poses way more dynamic that the original Quest minis), and Burning of Prospero (love the new Arhiman and The Fell-Hand, plastic Tartaros Termies, Custodes, and Sisters of Silence)...

i never bought the old Kharn, because i was not a fan of the flat pose (even though i was a huge fan of his art and fiction), but the new dynamic Kharn was a must have, and is sitting on my desk right now...

plastic Ad. Mech are a dream come true, and the Tech-Priest Dominus is my favorite GW release of 2015, and was a joy to paint...
the Genestealer Cult release is full of gorgeous minis...
the list could go on...

so yeah, given the context of the topic, it is a great time to be a GW fan (in my opinion)...
i am happier with their output and direction than i have been in 5 years...
does that still say nothing???

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:

@Herzlos: i have never been a gamer, so i couldn't comment on whether or not the game is any better...
i can say that i preferred the intimacy of the WFB setting in the fiction...
luckily, i have nearly every WFB novel and sourcebook GW has published since Wolfriders and Ignorant Armies, the first anthologies from 1989, so i can happily re-read decades of fiction 'til the cows come home...

I too loved the old fiction, which I think is why I find the new mini's too Jarring. I just can't see Herr Jaeger and Gotrex having any adventures in the new world, and nothing else seems to fit. I like my fantasy to be fairly low, with things that seem largely credible and relatable. I want see huge armies made up of normal dwarves, defending their hold against a horde of goblins, rather than a handful of burning slayers fighting a bunch of super-orcs.

hobojebus wrote:

 auticus wrote:
But what about those people that don't want WHFB and like Age of "suckmar".

They'll grow out of it.

The two games are different enough in focus, setting, and scale that there is no reason why GW/Forge World could not support both.

Killing off WHFB and crapping out AoS was a mistake - had they introduced AoS as a new and separate but related game, it might not have fractured the community so badly.

It is the fact that they replaced WHFB with Age of Suckmore that made people loathe it. And the 'humor' made it very much a kick in the teeth for those that liked the older game.

As a free, downloadable, introductory game? I think fans would have been a lot happier - they may not have liked or played the game, but they would not hate it nearly as much.

Me, I would be happy if Forge World took over WHFB and GW continued with the Sigmarines Game - there is room for both.

The Auld Grump - I have seen more AoS boxes picked up for 40K than for AoS....

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 auticus wrote:
But what about those people that don't want WHFB and like Age of "suckmar".

They'll grow out of it.

The two games are different enough in focus, setting, and scale that there is no reason why GW/Forge World could not support both.

Killing off WHFB and crapping out AoS was a mistake - had they introduced AoS as a new and separate but related game, it might not have fractured the community so badly.

It is the fact that they replaced WHFB with Age of Suckmore that made people loathe it. And the 'humor' made it very much a kick in the teeth for those that liked the older game.

As a free, downloadable, introductory game? I think fans would have been a lot happier - they may not have liked or played the game, but they would not hate it nearly as much.

Me, I would be happy if Forge World took over WHFB and GW continued with the Sigmarines Game - there is room for both.

The Auld Grump - I have seen more AoS boxes picked up for 40K than for AoS....

I remember when AoS launched there were many such negative posts about AoS by fans of Kings of War/Mantic. They didn't work in convincing people to play "their" wargame game back then, and I don't see why they would now.

If "Age of Suckmore" is such a bad, loathed game then it's funny to see how much more popular it is than Kings of War.

I guess people are prepared to ignore these sort of posts (and forum trolls in general) and reach their own conclusions about what they like.

In hindsight killing off WHFB (the game, not necessarily the setting) might have been the wisest choice, seeing as anecdotal accounts of AoS (the only measure we have of its success) have gone from overwhelming anger, apathy and rage-quitting to positive stories about new players and communities, tournaments, and a general sense of optimism about the models, rules and the way GW is handling everything. In fact I see much more negativity about 40k than AoS these days (which saddens me, but 40k is a mess). The Generals Handbook has been one of the biggest factors in the online zeitgeist 180 turn, and GWs biggest mistake by far was not introducing it upon launch. On the other hand, they were forced to eat a huge slice of humble pie and have now embraced the community in a way they might not have had it not been for the initial outrage.

motski wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 auticus wrote:
But what about those people that don't want WHFB and like Age of "suckmar".

They'll grow out of it.

The two games are different enough in focus, setting, and scale that there is no reason why GW/Forge World could not support both.

Killing off WHFB and crapping out AoS was a mistake - had they introduced AoS as a new and separate but related game, it might not have fractured the community so badly.

It is the fact that they replaced WHFB with Age of Suckmore that made people loathe it. And the 'humor' made it very much a kick in the teeth for those that liked the older game.

As a free, downloadable, introductory game? I think fans would have been a lot happier - they may not have liked or played the game, but they would not hate it nearly as much.

Me, I would be happy if Forge World took over WHFB and GW continued with the Sigmarines Game - there is room for both.

The Auld Grump - I have seen more AoS boxes picked up for 40K than for AoS....

I remember when AoS launched there were many such negative posts about AoS by fans of Kings of War/Mantic. They didn't work in convincing people to play "their" wargame game back then, and I don't see why they would now.

If "Age of Suckmore" is such a bad, loathed game then it's funny to see how much more popular it is than Kings of War.

I guess people are prepared to ignore these sort of posts (and forum trolls in general) and reach their own conclusions about what they like.

Other than anecdotal comments where's the proof it's more popular?

Until we get the post ghb icv2 sales figures there's no basis to declare one more popular than the other.

I don't think icv2 is going to tell you whether KoW is more popular than AoS. KoW armies are cheap, so even if it's popular it's not going to have a huge dollar value spent on it, if any at all because a lot of people are just playing with old WHFB figures or miniatures from other companies.

The only way to tell would be a detailed survey that tries to track down what individual groups are playing, which is never going to happen.

Not until prices come down.

Giving my a slight discount on models I probably will never use or am not interested in is not my idea of significant change.

I was really starting to think they had turned a corner, until this Blood bowl release.

The only way you can get two complete teams is to buy two copies of the game......

what a fething joke.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:I don't think icv2 is going to tell you whether KoW is more popular than AoS. KoW armies are cheap, so even if it's popular it's not going to have a huge dollar value spent on it, if any at all because a lot of people are just playing with old WHFB figures or miniatures from other companies.

The only way to tell would be a detailed survey that tries to track down what individual groups are playing, which is never going to happen.

Why wouldn't it tell you? icv2 would tell you if KoW is more popular than Aos or not. It's telling you that nobody or most people are not buying the KoW minis but only using it for rules. So KoW is not really popular because the minis are not being sold. That is like saying people are playing Warmahordes, but with GW minis instead of Privateer Press minis. Since that is not the case we can say PP and Warmahordes is popular.

I would say KoW is not really that popular because the minis are not being sold but it's mostly for the rules. If KoW was really all that, people would want to INVEST into KoW but since it seams people are only playing KoW for the rules and not the minis, I would say no, KoW is not really that popular. I could be wrong, and KoW minis are really selling but what I get from Dakka people are still only using their GW minis and just buying paper products for KoW. So is KoW really successful if this is the case?

Also, how many people switched to KOW with legacy armies from WFB in the first place? If Mantic has any sort of business sense, they'd advertise the piss out of their games and try to cater to the market at large. I wonder how much it'd cost to have the folks on Big Bang Theory play one of the games, or at least namedrop it?

Davor wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:I don't think icv2 is going to tell you whether KoW is more popular than AoS. KoW armies are cheap, so even if it's popular it's not going to have a huge dollar value spent on it, if any at all because a lot of people are just playing with old WHFB figures or miniatures from other companies.

The only way to tell would be a detailed survey that tries to track down what individual groups are playing, which is never going to happen.

Why wouldn't it tell you? icv2 would tell you if KoW is more popular than Aos or not. It's telling you that nobody or most people are not buying the KoW minis but only using it for rules. So KoW is not really popular because the minis are not being sold. That is like saying people are playing Warmahordes, but with GW minis instead of Privateer Press minis. Since that is not the case we can say PP and Warmahordes is popular.

I would say KoW is not really that popular because the minis are not being sold but it's mostly for the rules. If KoW was really all that, people would want to INVEST into KoW but since it seams people are only playing KoW for the rules and not the minis, I would say no, KoW is not really that popular. I could be wrong, and KoW minis are really selling but what I get from Dakka people are still only using their GW minis and just buying paper products for KoW. So is KoW really successful if this is the case?

I'd say that if a lot of people are playing KoW, then the game is popular. Regardless of where people buy the models they use to play the game. It's two different things.

Of course Mantic would prefer to sell more models and all that, but that's a different subject all together.* You're conflating the popularity of a game, with the popularity of a company's models.


* I do believe the speculation that almost no-one use Mantic models when playing KoW, is overblown, Mantic's own models are certainly well represented in KoW tournies, but presumably less so in casual play. Something to take into consideration is that the majority of players has initially migrated a army from WHFB into KoW. There's always a lag when looking at what's being bought and what's being played. What people are playing with now is what they bought a year or years ago. Whatever they buy now won't be played with until a fair bit of time into the future.

 Rayvon wrote:
I was really starting to think they had turned a corner, until this Blood bowl release.

The only way you can get two complete teams is to buy two copies of the game......

what a fething joke.

Just touching on this one for a moment - having looked at the rulebook from my LGS' preview copy yesterday, I do have to ask how you'd fill the two teams out to 16. My immediate reaction was 4 Linemen (or equivalent), but both teams have skill positions (and a Big Guy) which would be empty in that case. Equally, I didn't get chance to see the figures on the sprue, as they'd already been assembled, so I don't know if it would just be a case of adding an extra sprue to the box for each side.

My suspicion is that we'll see some form of set released down the line to allow you to expand the Orcs & Humans, but that it won't be announced immediately. Quite what said sets would include, though, I don't know. I could see a Human one with the missing skill positions (might be 2 Catchers & 2 Blitzers - I'm not sure), an Ogre (in kit which vaguely matches the Human model), and maybe some more Linemen - but then you're going to get people complaining about being forced to buy models they won't use.

Davor wrote:


I would say KoW is not really that popular because the minis are not being sold but it's mostly for the rules. If KoW was really all that, people would want to INVEST into KoW but since it seams people are only playing KoW for the rules and not the minis, I would say no, KoW is not really that popular. I could be wrong, and KoW minis are really selling but what I get from Dakka people are still only using their GW minis and just buying paper products for KoW. So is KoW really successful if this is the case?

Of all the people I read comments from on Dakka, you're one of the ones that often reflects my sentiments. But the above quote is a load of bullgak.
If people are playing KoW, then KoW is popular regardless of what figures are being used.
You're associating minis with the game like a GW fanboy that knows no better would.

One of my fave games is a WW2 game called Iron Cross. I use either 28mm figures (mainly by Warlord), or 15mm figures by Battlefront and Zvezda. Does that mean Iron Cross isn't the popular game played in my area? Iron Cross don't make minis, so even if every wargamer in the world played it, it couldn't be popular by your argument.

With regards to GW dropping WHFB, whilst it was a move I hated, it was one that made sense and, to be fair, the completely reformed way of playing has attracted new players and engaged people in a way that WHFB never would have done - and, as mentioned, the Matched Play introduced in the General's Handbook has settled a lot of the misgivings people had about the game.

That said, I'm annoyed that GW killed off the game altogether, especially after a mad drive for sales in a game soon to be obsolete with the End Times. GW could have all but removed it, changing the webstore to "AoS", changing all the branding accordingly, only supporting Sigmar in their stores, but left the old WHFB rules and army books up as free pdfs up on the website. Or perhaps FW could have picked up the game in the same way they've done with The Hobbit (and to be honest, I'm still hoping that it will return, in some form, through FW). At least then it will have been supported, allowing me to play WHFB in GW stores as well as stemming the very steep decline to virtually no popularity in my area whatsoever. Whilst you could argue that GW might have sold less copies of General's Handbook or something as a result, I very much doubt such a move would have had a significant negative impact on them, whilst still keeping many in the community happy. Hell, if the army books were available for free for all the WHFB armies and the game was still supported, I might have even been tempted to start a new army.

I do love the "blocks of troops" style of fantasy though, which is one thing that I really don't like about AoS. It's not that it's a bad game, I just find it silly a lot of the time and really don't like the aesthetics, gameplay or style of it. KoW has been a good alternative for me, however, and I'm enjoying playing it. Sadly though, there's very few people who play it in my area and, as someone mentioned, it's very difficult to convince people to pick it up or even just give it a go. It doesn't help that AoS is extremely popular in my area either.

 Just Tony wrote:
Also, how many people switched to KOW with legacy armies from WFB in the first place? If Mantic has any sort of business sense, they'd advertise the piss out of their games and try to cater to the market at large. I wonder how much it'd cost to have the folks on Big Bang Theory play one of the games, or at least namedrop it?

I'd wager there are many more people who used cheap KOW filler for their WHFB armies than people who used their expensive GW miniatures to play KOW.

There are many alternatives, like 8th edition forever, 9th age, ... - I don't see why anyone would even consider KOW rules.


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 Mymearan wrote:
In hindsight killing off WHFB (the game, not necessarily the setting) might have been the wisest choice, seeing as anecdotal accounts of AoS (the only measure we have of its success) have gone from overwhelming anger, apathy and rage-quitting to positive stories about new players and communities, tournaments, and a general sense of optimism about the models, rules and the way GW is handling everything. In fact I see much more negativity about 40k than AoS these days (which saddens me, but 40k is a mess). The Generals Handbook has been one of the biggest factors in the online zeitgeist 180 turn, and GWs biggest mistake by far was not introducing it upon launch. On the other hand, they were forced to eat a huge slice of humble pie and have now embraced the community in a way they might not have had it not been for the initial outrage.

Exactly this.

AoS is already a major success, because unlike WHFB 8th, it's bringing in NEW blood, i.e. what WHFB has been missing for years and which led to a slow death.

The very fact that AoS is growing where WHFB was shrinking is already progress.

Honestly, I don't see how they could make anything worse than WHFB 8th in terms of market share, that game almost compared with non-GW games for market share.

morgoth wrote:
There are many alternatives, like 8th edition forever, 9th age, ... - I don't see why anyone would even consider KOW rules.

Cause they think they are better than the other perhaps?
Shouldn't be that hard to imagine.

morgoth wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Also, how many people switched to KOW with legacy armies from WFB in the first place? If Mantic has any sort of business sense, they'd advertise the piss out of their games and try to cater to the market at large. I wonder how much it'd cost to have the folks on Big Bang Theory play one of the games, or at least namedrop it?

I'd wager there are many more people who used cheap KOW filler for their WHFB armies than people who used their expensive GW miniatures to play KOW.

There are many alternatives, like 8th edition forever, 9th age, ... - I don't see why anyone would even consider KOW rules.


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 Mymearan wrote:
In hindsight killing off WHFB (the game, not necessarily the setting) might have been the wisest choice, seeing as anecdotal accounts of AoS (the only measure we have of its success) have gone from overwhelming anger, apathy and rage-quitting to positive stories about new players and communities, tournaments, and a general sense of optimism about the models, rules and the way GW is handling everything. In fact I see much more negativity about 40k than AoS these days (which saddens me, but 40k is a mess). The Generals Handbook has been one of the biggest factors in the online zeitgeist 180 turn, and GWs biggest mistake by far was not introducing it upon launch. On the other hand, they were forced to eat a huge slice of humble pie and have now embraced the community in a way they might not have had it not been for the initial outrage.

Exactly this.

AoS is already a major success, because unlike WHFB 8th, it's bringing in NEW blood, i.e. what WHFB has been missing for years and which led to a slow death.

The very fact that AoS is growing where WHFB was shrinking is already progress.

Honestly, I don't see how they could make anything worse than WHFB 8th in terms of market share, that game almost compared with non-GW games for market share.

You can't know AoS brought in enough people to replace all those that left because they blew up the old world.

We don't even know it's new blood it sounds more like existing players swapping from 40k to AoS from accounts I've read.

It's just baseless claims without numbers to support it.

hobojebus wrote:

Other than anecdotal comments where's the proof it's more popular?

Until we get the post ghb icv2 sales figures there's no basis to declare one more popular than the other.

Here's some data from reddit which in my opinion is a much better reflector of actual player numbers than the rumor and heresay thrown around in threads like this:

http://redditmetrics.com/r/ageofsigmar#compare=kingsofwar

As we can see, the AoS community is large and growing and the KoW community is small and stagnant.