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Has GW gotten better? Let's see, GW is saying a product is being replaced, but yet that product is still being sold? Using same practices as before doesn't mean change.

So I guess we can say GW has not changed in that regard where they will still sell something while knowing it will be outdated. (As a side note, Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition is still being sold as well. What is up with that? Off topic I guess but still saying how GW is selling product that is no longer "officially" used"

I am curious to any Sister players out there. For all the good GW just did, did they just piss it all away? GW started really well to start of the year only to ruin it all at the end of the year?

Thought it was nice that a) they released Bloodbowl again but b) didn't do something like add to the pitch size (number of squares) or do something else crappy to the rules.

Bloodbowl has such a massive player community, you get hundreds of people at tournaments, and a different game format would have rent that community asunder (as happened with Fantasy/AoS).

I suppose we don't know whether this is because they have genuinely become more player-orientated since the death of WHFB, and were mindful of that longstanding community, or just didn't have the rules resource to change the rules at that point! Guess only someone who was in with the design process of the new release would know.

The Blood Bowl rules guys have been very vocal on the facebook and they have said many times that they wanted to honor and revere the current system and the work the fans had put into it.

Herzlos wrote:

They are even capable of a semblance of flight with their stubby wings, thought it has been suggested that this is more the result of gravity not wanting to mess with them.

That really doesn't read well, but I can't place why. I can accept that it's a joke and not a real explanation which fits with orcs.

It reminds me of the old Disney thing from The Plausible Impossible: The character will only notice he's standing on thin air if he looks down, until then he can walk on air because he doesn't realize the solid ground is gone.

Anyways RE: Topic, I think they still kind of do the same thing, but less antagonistic. So like before, it was obvious they didn't care about anything but your money. Now it looks like they are more involved, and they are in some regards, but not enough things have changed to make it anything more than trying to get good PR again. It's like a company being in the news for a scandal and then suddenly being in the news for donating to all these charities and such, it's just to deflect the fact they are a bad company with some good moves, while behind the scenes still doing the same thing.

They put out new things, great. It still sells out immediately. Blood Bowl re-released, but the range is incomplete and you have to wait for the new teams (i.e. you can't just start a league without a lot of conversion), and the refs are Forgeworld Only. Hobbit/LotR supplements come back out, but only through ForgeWorld so cost an arm and a leg in shipping for most of the world. They come out with rules for Traitor Legions after 10 years, great. Supplement, not a codex, so points costs are still all over the place and no new base CSM models. A new SoB model after forever and a day, but it sells out immediately and the new book which includes the rules gets rid of an iconic character (who will likely be back, but who knows when).

It's just like.. they do something good, but immediately add something bad to counter-balance it and make it seem like the old GW. They aren't innovative enough yet. and still fall back to their old tricks with everything good that they do. The proof will be when 8th edition 40k comes out; if it fixes the issues it will be great, but for 4 editions now they've basically changed rules simply to invalidate purchases and not to actually clean up the game so there's no reason to expect anything but the norm and then it's back to Space Marine codexes every other month while other factions have to wait forever for a basic codex and midway through they'll change direction but never update the old ones.

NEW CSM Books, Some new models, Great rules.
Mini game releases
BB release
And a nice hefty profit according to a UK Article,
I would say it has gotten way better, and is moving along nicely.

Still waiting on all plastic BFG.

Then they shall have my forgiveness.

 Blacksails wrote:
Still waiting on all plastic BFG.

Then they shall have my forgiveness.

It's called Dropfleet Commander

 Blacksails wrote:
Still waiting on all plastic BFG.

Then they shall have my forgiveness.

Im pretty much the same but I need the new Adeptus Titanicus before I will let them off !!

I wish to link this post in the thread about the Imperial Agents to show how Kevin Rountree is just a meme CEO.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2400/708759.page#9077869

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
I wish to link this post in the thread about the Imperial Agents to show how Kevin Rountree is just a meme CEO.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2400/708759.page#9077869

What do you mean by meme CEO? I don't understand.


GW started so great in 2016, only to become what they were in 2015 and wash it all away? It does seem so in that thread. I don't know about the wash it all away because they did do good, and I bought so much in 2016 than I have in the last few years, but this does seem proof they haven't changed on the inside and changed on the outside, so smoke and mirrors like I have been saying. I was so hoping to be proven wrong but in the end when it comes to the most important part, the rules and having fun, it's the same old GW.

So instead of GW bringing in more fun and enthusiasm with the Codex:Imperial Agents, they just brought in more toxicity. Is the community to blame for this? Well yes in a way because we can control how we act, but this is also GW fault for releasing Codex:Imperial Agents the way they did, and could have done it differently.

Oh gosh... Reading all this I really hope they finally squat SoB.

SKR.HH wrote:
Oh gosh... Reading all this I really hope they finally squat SoB.

They have for over a decade in all but name.

 Zywus wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:
Oh gosh... Reading all this I really hope they finally squat SoB.

They have for over a decade in all but name.

Sure, but getting them officially squated would generate an (short) outcry and then it's finally done.

SKR.HH wrote:
Oh gosh... Reading all this I really hope they finally squat SoB.

I don't care that much about sisters but that is very mean.


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Davor wrote:


What do you mean by meme CEO? I don't understand.

There is the internet meme that things changed under him. But is a meme. Is only cosmetic. But every time one points out one of the many flaws or contradiction, the meme come back.
"B-but now Rountree is here everything is changed". False. Is a meme, nothing else.

SKR.HH wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:
Oh gosh... Reading all this I really hope they finally squat SoB.

They have for over a decade in all but name.

Sure, but getting them officially squated would generate an (short) outcry and then it's finally done.

Nope. It will never end. People still cryfap about squats given half a chance.

SKR.HH wrote:
Oh gosh... Reading all this I really hope they finally squat SoB.

Obviously well in the Christmas Spirit wishing people unhappiness - well done

lord_blackfang wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Still waiting on all plastic BFG.

Then they shall have my forgiveness.

It's called Dropfleet Commander

I'm a sucker for space cathedrals. That said, the human fleet for DFC is pretty stellar looking. Didn't back the KS as I wanted to wait and see what the community thinks of the game.

Rayvon wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Still waiting on all plastic BFG.

Then they shall have my forgiveness.

Im pretty much the same but I need the new Adeptus Titanicus before I will let them off !!

Oh yeah, good call. Definitely a close second for my interest.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:
Oh gosh... Reading all this I really hope they finally squat SoB.

I don't care that much about sisters but that is very mean.

I took it to mean that he wants them put out of their misery because he's a Sisters fan, and doesn't want them to receive the same treatment as everyone else.

GW's reached a point where people actually want their armies to be neglected, because it's better than the alternative.

Herzlos wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:
Oh gosh... Reading all this I really hope they finally squat SoB.

I don't care that much about sisters but that is very mean.

I took it to mean that he wants them put out of their misery because he's a Sisters fan, and doesn't want them to receive the same treatment as everyone else.

GW's reached a point where people actually want their armies to be neglected, because it's better than the alternative.

With the sisters in particular there's also the case that they have been neglected and written off as dead by GW years ago and it'd probably be merciful to be upfront with Sisters fans and let them have some clousure, rather than string them along for a further decade.

Sisters of battle are like a relative in deep coma at this point. At some point you might as well pull the plug and move on.

If people keep buying and you can drag money out of them every few years, then keep it going with as little as possible.

Now if people just stopped buying, then they'd end it.

As long people buy anyway and wait the it gets strung out.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
If people keep buying and you can drag money out of them every few years, then keep it going with as little as possible.

Now if people just stopped buying, then they'd end it.

As long people buy anyway and wait the it gets strung out.

While this makes sense, you can't tell someone not to do something when they want to do it then. You really shouldn't be putting the blame on people who keep buying a product when they want it.

There is always a price to pay, when it comes to erease a grudge from the Damaz Kron.

GW is doing good, but not enough good that I can pull out some grudges.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
I wish to link this post in the thread about the Imperial Agents to show how Kevin Rountree is just a meme CEO.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2400/708759.page#9077869

Let me clarify my points in that post. I do think they've gotten better and, even better, I think they are trying to get better. I look to Warhammer TV, the Facebook pages, Regimental Standard, the fact that they actually respond to rumors (in their own unique way). I, personally, like Traitor Legions; it's not a new CSM 'dex, but it gave a lot of Chaos players something good, for once. Then C:IA drops and it's like a blast from 2014, I'm hoping it's a blip on the radar rather than a sign of things. I will say, my biggest shock and the thing that worries me the most, was their reply to the questions about the plastic sisters. Like I said in that post, that kind of tone-deafness was shocking and shows just how far they still have to go. Have they gotten better? Yes, but they were so far down, that better is still bad.

Yeah, just like that White Dwarf model that was just a re-colored Unforged model(to be fair though, the magazine only recently returned to it's old glory so there was no time for a new model)

They're still gonna make mistakes like anything run by people. As long as there's only one mistake for every five right things (low-balling) I don't see the reason to say they're the same as the previous years of silence.

Well, I didn't read all 27 pages so forgive me if I'm overly repetitive.

To me in order to truly be great there needs to be some sort of balance between codices. I thought this was happening during basically the entire 2014 year. Nids, AM, Orks, SW, GK, DE, BA scaled back power levels and seemed to represent a curbing of power creep. Then Crons hit with Decurion, Total buff to an already top 5 army with absurd free formations and buffs on buffs. Fast forward 1 year and the haves and have nots are so dramatically seperated that basically any pre-2015 codex is almost worthless in a competitive sense.

2016 had basically ignored updated codices in general for campaign books and supplements, which has done little to counteract 360 in design philosophy that occurred prior to 2015. I solely wish for a full codex revamp where GW can stick to a single design philosophy,but even should this happen it would still take years,

I like that GW has seemed to respond to customer feedback far more than in previous years. Given my previous optimism i would like to see more consistency before I declare the mild dysfunction that is GW good.

Davor wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
If people keep buying and you can drag money out of them every few years, then keep it going with as little as possible.

Now if people just stopped buying, then they'd end it.

As long people buy anyway and wait the it gets strung out.

While this makes sense, you can't tell someone not to do something when they want to do it then. You really shouldn't be putting the blame on people who keep buying a product when they want it.

People put up with substandard product and still keep buying it, then they only have themselves to blame. Gw didn't "improve" out of the goodness of their hearts, they did it because money dropped to a point where they had to reengage and get people buying again.

 Battlesong wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
I wish to link this post in the thread about the Imperial Agents to show how Kevin Rountree is just a meme CEO.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2400/708759.page#9077869

Let me clarify my points in that post. I do think they've gotten better and, even better, I think they are trying to get better. I look to Warhammer TV, the Facebook pages, Regimental Standard, the fact that they actually respond to rumors (in their own unique way). I, personally, like Traitor Legions; it's not a new CSM 'dex, but it gave a lot of Chaos players something good, for once. Then C:IA drops and it's like a blast from 2014, I'm hoping it's a blip on the radar rather than a sign of things. I will say, my biggest shock and the thing that worries me the most, was their reply to the questions about the plastic sisters. Like I said in that post, that kind of tone-deafness was shocking and shows just how far they still have to go. Have they gotten better? Yes, but they were so far down, that better is still bad.

Thanks for the intervention, I felt a bit bad to link like that. Next time, I will PM the author. Bad, bad Kaiyanwang.

I've been with GW for a while, and to me they have made some very solid improvements. I bought my first models since the last Tyranid release this month. That says something.

I can understand why people are upset at GW for killing WHFB. Change is tough, but the game was dying. They made one last massive push, in 2013 (I think it was) with a ton of army books and releases, but it didn't do enough.

That being said, I think AoS looks pretty fun. A few people I have talked to that play it locally really enjoy it.


So far, I'm happy with the direction GW is going. Those that are saying there has been no change, or it's merely cosmetic are quite wrong. Even GW latest financial report seems to indicate that they are moving more product, which is a far cry from the consistently decreasing sales that Kirby had the past several years.

They are making more money, but that doesn't mean they are moving more product. The figures seem to imply they are moving less product.

Herzlos wrote:
They are making more money, but that doesn't mean they are moving more product. The figures seem to imply they are moving less product.

If you say so. I briefly followed the thread, and it seemed to be that t he increased products were a combination of the currency rates and movement of more product.

Regardless, they are getting my money again.