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WIth the up coming release of the Burning of Prospero we will finally be seeing Adeptus Custodes hit the tabletop allegedly in both 30k and 40k. Some folks like it, some folks don't, but from current "leaks" we can all assume the the Companion of the Emperor will all be nasty fellows to deal with. At the moment we theres two rumors floating around for supposed stats and one for actual equipment on on the News and Rumor thread.

ws6, bs4, s5, t5, w2, i5, a3, ld10, 2+/4++.
hatred, furious charge, rampage.

and

55ppm with a starting squad cost of 125 for three
WS5 BS5 S5 T5 A2 W2 with a 2+/5++ armour save.
Guardian spear:S User AP 3 and S+1 AP2 on the charge with a special rule which causes it to generate an additional hit(or to hit roll, can't remember) on a to-hit roll of six. It also comes with an inbuilt S4 AP 4 assault 2 bolter with range 18".
The Custodes Armour gives them move through cover.
And the Custodes themselves have a special rule which extends their cohesion range to 3" rather than 2" and another which increases them to WS 6 when fighting opponents with equal or less WS than them.
They also have a sword and shield option which uses an elite choice. Those guys get a 4++ save which I think is rerollable under a certain circumstance and they have a power sword with rending and an inbuilt bolt weapon with a special rule called hail of fire.

While nothing is concrete atm It's enough to start toying with idea on how to use the Custodes.
As more information comes I will be updating this post to reflect what the actual rules are and what page the new discussion starts using that information begins.

10/22/16 UPDATE
As of now, the datasheets for the Custodes can be found HERE hosted for free by none other than GW themselves

SO we're looking at 260 for four Custodes and a Shield captain (Custodes with +1WS/Init/Attk) Coming stock with Guardian spears and power knives.
+50ppm up to ten models in a unit with every Custodes being a infantry character (challenges galore)
WS 5/ BS 5/ S 5/W 2/Init 4/ 3 Attacks and a 2+ save, so far pretty beefy.

Then we get into special rules,
-Adamantium
-Deep Strike
-Fearless
-Eternal Warrior
-Bulky

As for options we get...
-Swapping out Guardian spears for sentinel blade - free
-Models equipped with sentinel blades can take a storm shield -10ppm
-One Custodian in your ARMY can take a Vexilla - 30pts

And finally Wargear
-Guardian Spears: S+1, AP2, Melee, Block, Twohanded, and can be fired as bolters, So no firing then assaulting unfortunately, but thats why we have....
-Sentinel Blades!: S User, AP3, Melee and can be fired as a Bolt caster: 12" S4 AP5 Assault2 and snapfiring on 2s
-Power knives: S User, AP3 (stabby stabby)
-Custodes Vexilla: 12" bubble of fearless for Imperials, and +1 attack for the unit it is in.

All in all not too shabby, just looking at the stats these guys seem like they'll be a pain to take down or shift for anything they decide to sit on. Mobility after the initial deepstrike will be a issue so they might have to be played in a risky manner trying to get them as deep behind enemy lines as possible. On they upside they seem more than capable of weathering a round of shooting after said deepstrike to get into melee where is they seem to want to be as their ranged weapons seem meh at best.

Well unless we know they get options to take jump packs or bikes they just looked like beefed up and more expensive Lychguards. If that's the case I wouldn't run deathstars with them and they are too expensive to run MSU

Agreed, and the same goes for the rumored Sisters of Silence. Until we know their mobility options, we can't speculate on their value. Pure foot-slogging, they would just be horrible with essentially any stat-line.

Im excited for:

Concrete Rules
HQ Abilities
Formation Rules
More units

Custodes makes me more excited than most other armies,and I desperately want to field them. I'm hoping we got more information.

I think we'll end up seeing Terminator Custodes, as well, which could be interesting. Wonder what they'd use for Transports, though. They're bigger than normal marines so I can't imagine they'd use Rhinos.

Do we know how they'll get around? What sort of transports could they use?

I believe in the fluff they use Grav-Rhinos.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Grav-Rhino

New formation released for the golden boys, 1-3 units with 2 giving a 6++ and 3 giving a 5++. Looks like GW decided if they're allowed in battleforged armies they should be abit tougher

What kind of tactica is there for a single unit?

 CrownAxe wrote:
What kind of tactica is there for a single unit?

Maybe ways to get them into combat the quickest, but that'd be it.

 CrownAxe wrote:
What kind of tactica is there for a single unit?

Well, they do have options. Honestly, I like the sword variant better since they have assault weapons, but the spears are still good. Several squads of Guardian Spears in the Custodes Formations might be an option as well, though at that point you have expensive, not-Relentless Terminators. My single squad is going to be three swords and shields and two guardian spears.

I played a 1500pt game with them yesterday (as well as 5 sisters!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vsMLDBHQcU

I ran 2 sword and shield, 1 with vexilla and shield, 1 spear, captain with spear.

Its a pretty solid combo in my mind

 Massaen wrote:
I played a 1500pt game with them yesterday (as well as 5 sisters!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vsMLDBHQcU

I ran 2 sword and shield, 1 with vexilla and shield, 1 spear, captain with spear.

Its a pretty solid combo in my mind

I think I am going to try to make something a little similar. I think I will do a Sword+Board Captain, 1 Custodes with a Vexilla and a Storm Shield, two one Sword+Board, and 2 with Guardian Spears. The Captain being Sword+Board is mostly for aesthetics though.

EDIT: Nevermind, that doesn't equal five. Hmmm. Make that one Sword+Board.

I really liked the captain with spear to get maximum use of his extra attack and higher initiative. His shield mates can always take the hits with LoS.

I personally prefer the look of the classic spear than the sword and shield (though the sword does look better in person than I first thought)

I don't think the Vexilla is necessary at all.

I'm using a Vexilla. That being said, I'm using a 10man squad and attaching ICs to the squad as well. Otherwise I wouldn't.

The vexilla is a good buy in small units as well - the +1A across the 5 models is essentially an extra custode in the squad attacking for just over half the cost of the actual body. It means that transports or fortifications are much more flexible if you want to go that way with less sacrifice in combat ability.

The 12" aura can also be excellent for some allied forces.

Its by no means essential but its certainly not a bad buy

My thought was to equip the shield captain with only a sword. Thereby benefiting from 2 ccw and clocking in at 5 base Ap3 attacks, 6 with vex, 7 on the charge. With enough IC in the unit to choose your challenges that sounds pretty good actually. Also, from what I can tell Guardian Spears can be fired and used in assault the same turn. It's explicitly stated in the rules. Seems to be implied that you cannot above on this thread.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I don't think the Vexilla is necessary at all.

It does increase potency for less than the price of another Custodian. Plus it looks really cool, which is always a good thing.

I threw a unit of captain with spear, two spears, one sword and shield, and vex with shield, lumped with a bare chaplain and my salamander CM. Boarded them into a LR and just went to town. Took out Abbadon and a full unit of terminators in one turn. S10 Maulerfiend ruined their day but that's how it goes.

 genom.cor wrote:
My thought was to equip the shield captain with only a sword. Thereby benefiting from 2 ccw and clocking in at 5 base Ap3 attacks, 6 with vex, 7 on the charge. With enough IC in the unit to choose your challenges that sounds pretty good actually. Also, from what I can tell Guardian Spears can be fired and used in assault the same turn. It's explicitly stated in the rules. Seems to be implied that you cannot above on this thread.

I think most people see having S6 AP2 as more important than a single extra attack. There are not many sources of I5 AP2 in the game, and imperial armies only have a handful. It seems wasteful to give that up.

Also, you're technically right - Guardian Spears CAN be fired and used in assault in the same turn, but they are Rapid Fire weapons, meaning that you can't charge after firing them. So, unless you have a source of Relentless (Psychic Powers or adding a Cataphractii Captain) or you're using them for Overwtach, you're not going to get to.

The source is literally their rules.

I welcome you to them, they're free. I've attached a screenshot for your convenience.

Edit: I see. You're arguing that, even when the rules are clearly stating you can assault and fire with them, that the word "charge" is omitted from them referencing the assault phase.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
The source is literally their rules.

I welcome you to them, they're free. I've attached a screenshot for your convenience.

Edit: I see. You're arguing that, even when the rules are clearly stating you can assault and fire with them, that the word "charge" is omitted from them referencing the assault phase.

That's generally how 40k rules work - You need *specific* permission to do things, you can't just make general assumptions. The permission is given so you can use Overwatch and still fight with it in Melee, and to explain how it interacts if you have some way to give them Relentless. Or, to put it another way:

You have permission to shoot the weapon and fight in melee in the same turn. There are no rules in the BRB or otherwise which prevent you from firing a weapon in the shooting phase and then fighting in melee in the Assault Phase. There are, however, rules which prevent you from firing a weapon in the shooting phase and then *Charging* in the assault phase. (The rules for firing Rapid Fire weapons, for example.)

The rules give you explicit weapon to use both of the weapon's profiles in the same turn, but they do not give you permission ignore the rules for Charging.

I don't think it's a general assumption. It seems clearly intended.

I'll condede it doesn't SPECIFICALLY state it, it simply incredibly implies everything but the word charge.

Edit: I'll note for clarify, I understand the rule. I know it needs to say you can charge, because of rapid fire. However, it's own description of it's rule would be pointless if not to indicate it can do that. I think arguing against it is slightly "that guy", but I respect and understand that it apparently doesn't say it plainly enough.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I don't think it's a general assumption. It seems clearly intended.

I'll condede it doesn't SPECIFICALLY state it, it simply incredibly implies everything but the word charge.

Edit: I'll note for clarify, I understand the rule. I know it needs to say you can charge, because of rapid fire. However, it's own description of it's rule would be pointless if not to indicate it can do that. I think arguing against it is slightly "that guy", but I respect and understand that it apparently doesn't say it plainly enough.

I think that there are enough circumstances where the rules apply without having to make any assumptions that it still qualifies as not being pointless. Without having to include any Psychic Powers or allies, you can fire Overwatch and Assault on the same turn, and probably will most of the time. There are several ways to give them relentless, as well, if you attach certain models or cast certain powers on them.

This is an example from 5th edition so it's a little old, but Fenrisian Wolves used to have a rule specifying that they could never hold objectives. Fenrisian Wolves were a Fast Attack choice, and thus wouldn't have been able to hold objectives in 5th edition anyways, but the codex still specified because there were extenuating circumstances which could occasionally give FA units Scoring and they wanted to make sure that those rare circumstances were covered. I am sure there are more modern examples as well, I just can't think of any off the top of my head. In general, though, GW tends to play it on the safe side when they actually think of those rules conflicts.


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Im excited for:

Concrete Rules
HQ Abilities
Formation Rules
More units

Custodes makes me more excited than most other armies,and I desperately want to field them. I'm hoping we got more information.

I think we'll end up seeing Terminator Custodes, as well, which could be interesting. Wonder what they'd use for Transports, though. They're bigger than normal marines so I can't imagine they'd use Rhinos.

Terminator Custodes would be a little redundant, wouldn't they? They can already get 2+3++, and AP2 power weapons. Yes, Power Fists would be interesting for the S10, but that's about it.

The redundancy doesn't change that they exist.

It wouldn't be completely redundant, they'd get relentless for one thing so they can dakka and choppa in the same turn with things like guardian spears. Also, that means they get to mount heavier (potentially Custodes exclusive) ranged weapons like other termies can.

I have an event in a couple of weeks where I intend to try the full blown death star version...

10 Custodes (5 shields plus 1 vexilla), GK Captain Stern, Conclave with Tiggy...

2+/2++ rerollable sounds like a plan!

I don't think you'll need 5 Shields. Maybe 4 is okay. They've got 2 wounds each after all.

You'd also be under obligation to take Draigo at that point as he'd give Gate and have a weapon striking at S7-9.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I don't think it's a general assumption. It seems clearly intended.

I'll condede it doesn't SPECIFICALLY state it, it simply incredibly implies everything but the word charge.

Edit: I'll note for clarify, I understand the rule. I know it needs to say you can charge, because of rapid fire. However, it's own description of it's rule would be pointless if not to indicate it can do that. I think arguing against it is slightly "that guy", but I respect and understand that it apparently doesn't say it plainly enough.

Thats a pretty standard wording for weapons with both a melee and ranged profile. Most of the time combined melee weapons/guns are assault weapons, but this one isnt. You cant shoot and charge. Compare ork burnas, which cannot (or at least used to not be able to be) used as a flamer and a power weapon in the same turn.

You can, however, fire overwatch and use it in a melee in the same turn.

I think you dont need too many storm shields. At s6 ap2, the guardian spear is clearly better at actually killing stuff, and provides tge only attacks which can ding a helbrute or dreadnought (a key weakness of the unit), so I suspect its a game of "whats the minimum number of storm shields I'm comfortable with?"

Could always ally in a Cataphractii captain to let them shoot and charge? But then you can't sweep, so...