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I don't know if anyone else has been paying attention, but Games Workshop has been putting alot of emphasis on getting rid of the remainder of the IG pewter range. Thus far all the old IG models are the only ones who have been available for made to order. Additionally, Astra Militarum has been featured on the front page the past few days and now today the above images are shown. Many guard players have been asking for plastic models of their regiment almost as long as SoB players who are now confirmed to be getting plastic models. Is it reasonable to expect that we might actually be seeing Steel Legion, Mordian, Tallarn, Praetorian etc regiments make a return in plastic with all of the awesome stuff GW has been doing lately?

Love to see them - the current Cadians everywhere is so very dull.

I think you could always buy squads of 10 guardsmen from other regiments, at a higher price and in metal.

And wow, their made to order are already all sold out, anyone knows if its because they actually ran out or because GW pulled the plug early?

Well, I helped them get rid of some Vostroyans.
And if the Vostroyans ever get a plastic range, I promise I will buy every single model!

Still, as long as the old metal regiments continue to be available, I do not believe we will see plastic re-makes.

It was either too successful and scared them into closing it down, or they are doing just as they advertised - small, short runs.

I don't believe you'll ever see the old squads in plastic (and definitely not "all" of them). I do think that with the rumour of a new large campaign/movement of the fluff you might see a new focus for the Imperial Guard, i.e. move away from Cadia and introduce a new "basic" Imperial Guard --- or at the very most one new branch/world/army.

I don't think GW would run more than two separate large plastic lines of Imperial Guard as far as basic troops (and maybe not even that). It is about time to replace the bog standard GW Imperial Guard box though--- maybe you'll get a kit with more options. I could see a new sprue including a number of options for heads/hats/helmets etc.

I think it would be very unlikely, but I don't think it would be"that" difficult to do, each regiment would need one basic box of troops and perhaps a company command squad.

 Bobthehero wrote:

And wow, their made to order are already all sold out, anyone knows if its because they actually ran out or because GW pulled the plug early?

They stated multiple times, that these Made to Order runs are up for 48 hours, if something has a high demand, they keep it up longer (as seen with the Kasrkin, Macharius, Sly Marbo).

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

And wow, their made to order are already all sold out, anyone knows if its because they actually ran out or because GW pulled the plug early?

They stated multiple times, that these Made to Order runs are up for 48 hours, if something has a high demand, they keep it up longer (as seen with the Kasrkin, Macharius, Sly Marbo).

I thought it was until the weekend and now I'm still without Kasrkin Maybe forever.

No chance imo, simply because of demand.
Whilst there are certainly players who love valhallans, mordians (I'd snap up a Mordian release in a second) there are simply not enough to justify a production run and support of said model lines in comparison to say those who might collect SoB or the recent IK/admech releases.

Depends. I think these current ones are ugly af and would rather leave them in some 90's catalogue graveyard. Now if they redo them from scratch... could be interesting.

UrsoerTheSquid wrote:
I think it would be very unlikely, but I don't think it would be"that" difficult to do, each regiment would need one basic box of troops and perhaps a company command squad.

And heavy weapons. Hide a tank commander and a sentinel pilot on the sprues somewhere and you're set.

I don't see it happening. I certainly see the basic Cadians being replaced some time in the forseeable future. If I remember right they are now the second oldest plastic infantry after the Bezerkers. (Not counting the Catachans since they've been web only for years). Compared to say Empire Handgunners or GS Cultists the kit is just embarassing.

But I don't see GW making 2, 3, 6, 7 or 8 plastic IG regiments that are identical rules-wise.

Realistically? Probably no way. But then again we said that about genestealer cult and they were so successful they sold out almost overnight.

Given that the initial "made to order" sold out almost instantly for each regiment, I think GW would be crazy to not at least reconsider making a couple in plastic. The big thing would be getting the most mileage out of the kits that they can.

Essentially, you really just need two kits, an "infantry" kit and a "support" kit. Given GW"s massive increase in quality for sprue design, they could probably roll the infantry and command boxes into one very easily as just a 10 man kit with all the special weapons and a few bonus bits like a medic bit and a commander head.

Then you do a heavy weapon box that also includes specialist bits, like backpacks, shovels, extra kit, weapons, etc. and that kit can help give you the parts you need to make veterans out of the base box and you were going to buy it anyways because every infantry player needs heavy weapons.

Given most new releases have anywhere from 4-8 kits, you could realistically bring 2-4 regiments without really switching anything around. Given that guard players need far more kits than the average army to function, it's possible GW could still make their money back fairly easily.

As for who to bring back? That's tough, because GW would have to pick regiments that aren't easily proxied/converted from existing kits elsewhere, best examples being Valhallans and Praetorians. Vostroyans would be a given, they look awesome and GW has proven with the Skitarii kit that they could do them easily (heck that kit would actually be a good basis for conversions) From there, I'd argue Steel Legion would be the next most likely, as they lack forgeworld kits and design wise are pretty simple. Valhallans have a good shot given how much they pop in lore, as do the Mordians, but they're not as iconic so probably be lower on the totem pole. In last, you'd have regiments already being done by Forgeworld, which would be your Elysians, Tallarn, and the DKoK. However I wouldn't even rule them out as GW has shown they will make plastic kits of Forgeworld stuff if the demand is there.


So yeah, odds are they probably won't come out with anything other than updated Catachans and Cadians (and honestly modernised sculpts of these would be cool in their own right, as these regiments have some cool potential that is let down by their aging kits) but given how risky the new GW has been with trying out new armies I wouldn't put it past them. I just don't think we would see them until Plastic Sisters were established and a few of the older lines were updated a bit more. As much as I would love to see new kits, many other lines need love before us.

At most one range might get redone if the sell enough. That said this is a solid move by GW. they have molds, the price point is solid and every imperial player/GSC player is always eyeing atleast a cheap ally army. I'm not sure which I'm buying yet but I want a squad.

LOL, I just said GW won't make multiple versions of the same unit, and then read a thread about how excited everyone is to have a new mark of plastic marines...

Of course IG aren't exactly marines in sales. Even if they're number 2 it must be a big gap.

 Ratius wrote:
No chance imo, simply because of demand.
Whilst there are certainly players who love valhallans, mordians (I'd snap up a Mordian release in a second) there are simply not enough to justify a production run and support of said model lines in comparison to say those who might collect SoB or the recent IK/admech releases.

Isn't that kind of the same reasoning that they used for not releasing sisters in plastic for over a decade though? It was always stated that they would never come out in plastic because:

* Not enough interest
* Not selling well

When the reason they weren't selling well is because:

* They weren't supported
* Extremely expensive
* Not found in stores, had to order online
* Rules weren't updated for numerous editions
* Many of the pewter models aged terribly
* 1/2 the range was OOP and thus there was no point in starting said army

Most of the above is true for the older guard regiments, minus the rules portion. Which if guard players had their way, would be different. Guard players have been asking for the return of regiment specific benefits forever. Which would give incentive for players to play different regiments. I just can't see GW sticking with cadians forever. Cadia can't be present in every conflict in the galaxy. They have the Eye of Terror on their doorstep. One of, if not the most appealing aspects of the imperial guard is the different regiments that it is composed of. Ignoring that is like saying all SM should be Ultramarines because reasons.

Gosh I hate that Steel Legion Guardsman trying to change mag... If they update these in plastic they better fix that pose.

Regarding Cadian Regiments, it's been implied that Cadia is exporting enough of their equipment that most Regiments are using it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
LOL, I just said GW won't make multiple versions of the same unit, and then read a thread about how excited everyone is to have a new mark of plastic marines...

Of course IG aren't exactly marines in sales. Even if they're number 2 it must be a big gap.

I still find it hilarious that people will list off a variety of reasons why variant IG regiments would never be released, and then when GW does it with Marines people lose their minds, for a force that requires maybe 1/2 the infantry IG would even if you spammed.

Given that by far, the largest 3rd party bits market out there is IG conversions, I would say that there is absolutely the demand to get redone regiments in plastic.

I mean think about it. People are willing to pay companies like Victoria Lamb FIFTY DOLLARS A SQUAD to get their favorite regiments (Myself included ) You can bet that if those options were offered in modern plastic kits that there would at least be some sort of demand out there, even at GW's new $40 an infantry squad point.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
LOL, I just said GW won't make multiple versions of the same unit, and then read a thread about how excited everyone is to have a new mark of plastic marines...

Of course IG aren't exactly marines in sales. Even if they're number 2 it must be a big gap.

I still find it hilarious that people will list off a variety of reasons why variant IG regiments would never be released, and then when GW does it with Marines people lose their minds, for a force that requires maybe 1/2 the infantry IG would even if you spammed.

Given that by far, the largest 3rd party bits market out there is IG conversions, I would say that there is absolutely the demand to get redone regiments in plastic.

I mean think about it. People are willing to pay companies like Victoria Lamb FIFTY DOLLARS A SQUAD to get their favorite regiments (Myself included ) You can bet that if those options were offered in modern plastic kits that there would at least be some sort of demand out there, even at GW's new $40 an infantry squad point.

I have heavily considered purchasing models for my regiment from a 3rd party/another company but I have reserved hope that they will continue to support/reflect the diverse range of the IG. In every single IG codex or reference to the IG they bring up the different regiments and how they differ in appearance, tactics, equipment, training etc. Unless they plan on retconning all that & say there was some sort of Imperial decree that all worlds field Cadian equipment I think it would be doing the army injustice by not supporting the other regiments. Each regiments carries an identity that may appeal to one player but not another. Take Steel Legion & DKoK for example. Somewhat similar in appearance, almost completely opposite in every respect. Steel legion are mechanized infantry/blitzkreig style doctrine. DKoK is trench/artillery/occupy warfare. Steel legion are humans. They have names, families, identities. DKoK while human, are born in vats, are assigned numbers, and exist solely to serve the IG. These are the details that make the IG interesting and draw players to one regiment or another. Ignoring that is like saying all Space Marine players should be Ultramarines and deal with it.

There was a time when each regiment had their own special rules. Ideally, if plastic regiments ever do make a return said rules should make a return with them. It would give IG players incentive to collect different regiments, reflect the lore and help make IG more competitive. Depending on how 8th edition turns out, troops also might become relevant again. Further incentivizing guard players to take more infantry instead of all armor.

I'd love to see some additional IG themed Codexs, kind of like how so many Marine chapters now have their own specific Codex.

Codex Armageddon
Codex Vostroya

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't see it happening. I certainly see the basic Cadians being replaced some time in the forseeable future. If I remember right they are now the second oldest plastic infantry after the Bezerkers. (Not counting the Catachans since they've been web only for years). Compared to say Empire Handgunners or GS Cultists the kit is just embarassing.

But I don't see GW making 2, 3, 6, 7 or 8 plastic IG regiments that are identical rules-wise.

Yep, the Cadians are getting old. I also hope they do a different regiment when they update the basic troop.
Be good to see the long rumored veteran kit.


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 Scott-S6 wrote:

UrsoerTheSquid wrote:
I think it would be very unlikely, but I don't think it would be"that" difficult to do, each regiment would need one basic box of troops and perhaps a company command squad.

And heavy weapons. Hide a tank commander and a sentinel pilot on the sprues somewhere and you're set.

That would be very cool. Don't think it will happen, which makes me sad.

The Cadian models needed a redo quite a while ago. Next to Space Marines and any other basic human miniature they are more out of scale and malproportioned.

However given what GW's been doing lately I think we're more likely to get accessories sprues akin to the Deathwatch shoulder pads or the Genestealer Cult heads that just convert them into other regiments.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

As for who to bring back? That's tough, because GW would have to pick regiments that aren't easily proxied/converted from existing kits elsewhere, best examples being Valhallans and Praetorians. Vostroyans would be a given, they look awesome and GW has proven with the Skitarii kit that they could do them easily (heck that kit would actually be a good basis for conversions) From there, I'd argue Steel Legion would be the next most likely, as they lack forgeworld kits and design wise are pretty simple. Valhallans have a good shot given how much they pop in lore, as do the Mordians, but they're not as iconic so probably be lower on the totem pole.

GW literally just chopped the heads off Mordian minis and sculpted new ones to make most of the Praetorians. I can't imagine them doing either in plastic without it having a choice of heads to make both - which if anything could put both to the front of the queue.

I could actually see them combining Vostroyans and Steel Legion in a single kit as well, as they could potentially share the same legs.

While Zulu was a great flick and the Metal Modians are great models I'm not convinced many folks would be interested in them in plastic.

The whole 'wear your 19th C dress uniform to war' look is one of those crazy 40k ideas that either you get or you don't. I have 50+ Mordians now but for a long time I wouldn't touch them as too silly. The Vostroyans are silly too, but in an insane 40k sort of way. The Mordians are in that uncanny valley of insane but not totally nuts.

If that makes any sense.

And the Praetorians are a bit too far into 'lets play historicals but with lasers' for me.

I'm trying to work out how to break down the models to be more modular. Now currently with the the two plastic sets that exist the problems are. The cadians have their pauldrons' sculpted onto their arms and the place where the torso separates from the legs on the catachans is too high. Fixing this would be the first step to better modularity. If I was going to be basic I would say we then needed one extra leg type, the great coat as we have plain(catachan) and flack jacket(cadian). The real variety comes in with the torsos, heads and weapons which can be soled as upgrade sprues.
This for me would be the minimal effort required to get some variety going.

Vim

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
While Zulu was a great flick and the Metal Modians are great models I'm not convinced many folks would be interested in them in plastic.

The whole 'wear your 19th C dress uniform to war' look is one of those crazy 40k ideas that either you get or you don't. I have 50+ Mordians now but for a long time I wouldn't touch them as too silly. The Vostroyans are silly too, but in an insane 40k sort of way. The Mordians are in that uncanny valley of insane but not totally nuts.

If that makes any sense.

And the Praetorians are a bit too far into 'lets play historicals but with lasers' for me.

I think if GW ever does new models for IG regiments I think they should take a clean slate approach producing a variety of sprues that are aesthetically similar enough to be mixed and matched to create a variety of regiments.

Otherwise I really think GW should go with something more like the Vostroyans, that is grim dark with a more historical blended aesthetic than one that's so distinctly drawn from a single period.

I would love to see updated plastic models for all of the other guard regiments. If the DKoK has shown anything, is that people are willing to pay (a lot of) money for good, non-cadian/non-catachan guard models.

Plus it makes more sense that they would have sets that were different cosmetically, unlike the various flavours of power armor that just has different trim and bling.

Commissar Benny wrote:
[Games Workshop has been putting alot of emphasis on getting rid of the remainder of the IG pewter range.

Thus far all the old IG models are the only ones who have been available for made to order.

Additionally, Astra Militarum has been featured on the front page the past few days and now today the above images are shown.

Many guard players have been asking for plastic models of their regiment almost as long as SoB players who are now confirmed to be getting plastic models.

Is it reasonable to expect that we might actually be seeing Steel Legion, Mordian, Tallarn, Praetorian etc regiments make a return in plastic with all of the awesome stuff GW has been doing lately?

There is so much wrong with this entire post, it's pretty ridiculous.

GW has had the exact same 10-man Tallarn Infantry Squad (with ML & Plasma Gun) continuously available since 2nd Edition, without any change except for price. There has never been a push to get rid of that range, nor the other core Valhallan / Mordian / ASL ranges. They have lost a number of option models (i.e. Heavy Weapons and alt Specials), but still around.

GW tested the "Made to Order" concept with IG stuff that they thought might sell. That doesn't say anything about getting rid of them. If anything, it's a sign of support that allowed IG players to fill gaps in their armies.

AM has been up because M2O made a big splash and got people to buy stuff, notably metal Kasrkin.

IG players have been asking for plastics for a long time, but at no point have plastic Sisters been confirmed with a release date, kits or prices. The 2 or 3 remaining Sisters players are just wishlisting, as usual.

It is not particularly reasonable, given that most IG players already have their armies. At most, we might see GW relaunch regiments with head & body bitz conversion sets like the Black Templars and Dark Angels, but full, alternate ranges? Probably not after the Catachan experience, when GW tried to support both ranges as full ranges.

What is likely is to see GW do more and more of these M2O specials, where people can get Praetorians, etc. all at once, goosing GW's margins for a quick cash grab. And besides, everybody knows the real money is in Diazettes. But really, GW is going to focus on all-new stuff that people don't have (Custodes, SoS) over stuff that people already own (metal IG, SoB).

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
[Games Workshop has been putting alot of emphasis on getting rid of the remainder of the IG pewter range.

Thus far all the old IG models are the only ones who have been available for made to order.

Additionally, Astra Militarum has been featured on the front page the past few days and now today the above images are shown.

Many guard players have been asking for plastic models of their regiment almost as long as SoB players who are now confirmed to be getting plastic models.

Is it reasonable to expect that we might actually be seeing Steel Legion, Mordian, Tallarn, Praetorian etc regiments make a return in plastic with all of the awesome stuff GW has been doing lately?

There is so much wrong with this entire post, it's pretty ridiculous.

GW has had the exact same 10-man Tallarn Infantry Squad (with ML & Plasma Gun) continuously available since 2nd Edition, without any change except for price. There has never been a push to get rid of that range, nor the other core Valhallan / Mordian / ASL ranges. They have lost a number of option models (i.e. Heavy Weapons and alt Specials), but still around.

GW tested the "Made to Order" concept with IG stuff that they thought might sell. That doesn't say anything about getting rid of them. If anything, it's a sign of support that allowed IG players to fill gaps in their armies.

AM has been up because M2O made a big splash and got people to buy stuff, notably metal Kasrkin.

IG players have been asking for plastics for a long time, but at no point have plastic Sisters been confirmed with a release date, kits or prices. The 2 or 3 remaining Sisters players are just wishlisting, as usual.

It is not particularly reasonable, given that most IG players already have their armies. At most, we might see GW relaunch regiments with head & body bitz conversion sets like the Black Templars and Dark Angels, but full, alternate ranges? Probably not after the Catachan experience, when GW tried to support both ranges as full ranges.

What is likely is to see GW do more and more of these M2O specials, where people can get Praetorians, etc. all at once, goosing GW's margins for a quick cash grab. And besides, everybody knows the real money is in Diazettes. But really, GW is going to focus on all-new stuff that people don't have (Custodes, SoS) over stuff that people already own (metal IG, SoB).

"IG players have been asking for plastics for a long time, but at no point have plastic Sisters been confirmed with a release date, kits or prices. The 2 or 3 remaining Sisters players are just wishlisting, as usual."

Didn't GW say sisters are a few months out in their teaser? Didn't Lady Atia confirm sisters are coming in plastic? Has he/she ever been wrong?

"GW has had the exact same 10-man Tallarn Infantry Squad (with ML & Plasma Gun) continuously available since 2nd Edition, without any change except for price. There has never been a push to get rid of that range, nor the other core Valhallan / Mordian / ASL ranges. They have lost a number of option models (i.e. Heavy Weapons and alt Specials), but still around."



You're correct, they are still around but most are temporarily out of stock. Meaning quantities are low. Didn't GW do the same thing prior to most of the sisters line going OOP?

"It is not particularly reasonable, given that most IG players already have their armies. At most, we might see GW relaunch regiments with head & body bitz conversion sets like the Black Templars and Dark Angels, but full, alternate ranges? Probably not after the Catachan experience, when GW tried to support both ranges as full ranges."

Which is why it is important GW add incentive to playing different regiments. Each IG regiment use to have regiment specific benefits. Each space marine chapter does. Not sure why it is that unreasonable for the IG to reflect the lore. You are correct, the catachan line likely did not sell as well as GW hoped. I can tell you why I didn't start them. Skin. Like 90% of catachan models have muscle/skin which at least in my experience is very very difficult to paint. Plus you have to add scars, tattoos etc etc. I personally think that played a large role in why players chose not to play them. Their lore is awesome and their sculpts are pretty decent. I have seen many IG players using DKoK. Clearly there is interest for alternative regiments if there are so many players willing to pay FW prices for the DKoK aesthetic.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
[Games Workshop has been putting alot of emphasis on getting rid of the remainder of the IG pewter range.

Thus far all the old IG models are the only ones who have been available for made to order.

Additionally, Astra Militarum has been featured on the front page the past few days and now today the above images are shown.

Many guard players have been asking for plastic models of their regiment almost as long as SoB players who are now confirmed to be getting plastic models.

Is it reasonable to expect that we might actually be seeing Steel Legion, Mordian, Tallarn, Praetorian etc regiments make a return in plastic with all of the awesome stuff GW has been doing lately?

There is so much wrong with this entire post, it's pretty ridiculous.

GW has had the exact same 10-man Tallarn Infantry Squad (with ML & Plasma Gun) continuously available since 2nd Edition, without any change except for price. There has never been a push to get rid of that range, nor the other core Valhallan / Mordian / ASL ranges. They have lost a number of option models (i.e. Heavy Weapons and alt Specials), but still around.

GW tested the "Made to Order" concept with IG stuff that they thought might sell. That doesn't say anything about getting rid of them. If anything, it's a sign of support that allowed IG players to fill gaps in their armies.

AM has been up because M2O made a big splash and got people to buy stuff, notably metal Kasrkin.

IG players have been asking for plastics for a long time, but at no point have plastic Sisters been confirmed with a release date, kits or prices. The 2 or 3 remaining Sisters players are just wishlisting, as usual.

It is not particularly reasonable, given that most IG players already have their armies. At most, we might see GW relaunch regiments with head & body bitz conversion sets like the Black Templars and Dark Angels, but full, alternate ranges? Probably not after the Catachan experience, when GW tried to support both ranges as full ranges.

What is likely is to see GW do more and more of these M2O specials, where people can get Praetorians, etc. all at once, goosing GW's margins for a quick cash grab. And besides, everybody knows the real money is in Diazettes. But really, GW is going to focus on all-new stuff that people don't have (Custodes, SoS) over stuff that people already own (metal IG, SoB).

Other than the Catachan command box, the sculpts are hideous and very outdated. Thats why not many people buy them