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The UK's first national sperm bank has stopped recruiting donors less than two years after its launch, it has emerged.
The National Sperm Bank said it was unable to fund further donor recruitment, having successfully only taken on seven men.
It was set up in October 2014 with a government grant to tackle the shortage of donors, particularly at NHS clinics.
The Department of Health say the NSB's demise will not affect people's access to safe sperm donation services.
A shortage of donors often drives patients overseas or to unregistered services.
Based in Birmingham, the NSB received a one-off £77,000 grant from the Department of Health to get up and running. The aim was for the bank to be financially self-sufficient within one year.
It was a joint project run by the charity the National Gamete Donation Trust and Birmingham Fertility Centre, a unit at Birmingham Women's Hospital.
In total, eight sperm donors were recruited since it launched, with one later dropping out.
But with the full donor process taking up to 18 months, the bank was unable to generate income in the second year.

Charles Lister, chair of the National Gamete Donation Trust said: "One of the lessons learned from running the NSB is that the level of ongoing investment required for successful donor recruitment is beyond the resources of a small charity like the NGDT."
Laura Spoelstra, who left her role as chief executive of the NGDT, earlier this year and believes more could have been done to put the NSB on a firmer financial footing.
She said: "Once you have a donor at least 70% along the process, you have income. It's a business model. It required a business way of thinking. Once you know you've got income in the pipeline, you can use that to offset costs."
The screening process
Potential donors - aged between 18 and 40 - are screened for any genetic abnormalities that could be passed onto offspring
Semen samples are analysed for sperm quantity, quality and movement, and donors checked for any infectious diseases, such as HIV
Those who pass these tests have their sample frozen for at least six months before it is tested again
Not all sperm cells survive freezing and thawing, which means there may be a reduction in quality. Only men whose samples remain of acceptable quality after freezing can be donors
Demand for sperm donations in the UK has steadily grown and hundreds of new donors, who are compensated £35 per clinic visit, are registered each year.
The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority estimate that 2,000 children are born every year in the UK using donated eggs, sperm or embryos. The most recent data from 2014, shows 85 licensed UK clinics - both private and NHS - performing sperm donor insemination.
But the majority of licensed clinics are based in London and the south east of England and treatment can be expensive. The cost of donor sperm from the UK's largest private sperm bank, the London Sperm Bank, is currently £950. The National Sperm Bank was proposing to charge £300 per insemination.
Prof Allan Pacey, a spokesman for the British Fertility Society, believes there is still a need for a national sperm bank.
"It doesn't have to be bricks and mortar, it could be a network," he said.
"We need better coordination and this just highlights how expensive it's going to be."
Raising awareness
Mr Lister said the NSB had demonstrated that with targeted information, "more men are willing to become donors and give the precious gift of life".
He said the NGDT would continue to focus on raising awareness about the need for more UK donors.
Following a change in the law, all children conceived as the result of sperm donation on or after 1 April 2005, have the right to know the identity of their father when they turn 18. But a donor is not the legal parent and is not named on a birth certificate.
The first donations from the NSB will be released shortly by Birmingham Women's Fertility Centre to clinics across the UK.
The centre has its own sperm bank, which will continue recruiting donors.
A spokeswoman for the centre said: "We fully understand and support the decision made by NGDT."
In a statement, the Department of Health said: "We gave a one-off start-up grant to help set up the National Sperm Bank, and while the number of donations have not been sufficient to support it continuing to seek new donors, this will have no impact on people being able to access safe egg and sperm donation services."





.... only 7 men ....?

.. how busy were they ?

I knew one guy who had applied -- mainly, he claimed, as his Missus was, apparently , a proper BOBFOC -- have to ask him if he knows if he was successful



But with the full donor process taking up to 18 month


bloody hell.. no wonder you go blind !

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 reds8n wrote:
I knew one guy who had applied -- mainly, he claimed, as his Missus was, apparently , a proper BOBFOC


Clearly he hasn't heard of a light switch



Still, just 7 people is sad and hilarious at the same time - they must have really been lonely to spare all that time

Seems odd that there are so few recruited donors when the demand for sperm is on the increase.

Perhaps a network might be better than an actual standing bank in the future - anything to stop sperm from becoming a black market commodity

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I know the last I heard of this various donorship things was that there was a lot of discouragement about it due to various legal gray areas
   
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My understanding is that technically the children of donated sperm would be able to claim child support from the father. This naturally discourages men from coming forwards.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
My understanding is that technically the children of donated sperm would be able to claim child support from the father. This naturally discourages men from coming forwards.


I suppose this makes sense technically, but really, the biological father can't be expected to be the actual parent of the child as well in this scenario; child support should really come from whoever is fulfilling the role of the child's father, not the donor who provided sperm for the infertile male who wanted a child.

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That is absolutely right IMO. The problem is that the law around child support payments is based on the idea that the biological father doesn't want to pay.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
That is absolutely right IMO. The problem is that the law around child support payments is based on the idea that the biological father doesn't want to pay.


That's what happens when Iain Duncan Smith gets his hands on a government department - common sense goes out the window.


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 Compel wrote:
I know the last I heard of this various donorship things was that there was a lot of discouragement about it due to various legal gray areas


And not just child support - there was the whole issue of inheritance laws as well.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
That is absolutely right IMO. The problem is that the law around child support payments is based on the idea that the biological father doesn't want to pay.


That's a shame - seems to be punishing people who want to support others because some parents no longer want to care for a child they brought into this world.

I guess we can blame it on Jeremy Kyle - nobody would want to have the title of sperm donor after watching a few episodes of JKS in a row on a Saturday morning

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Today I discovered BOBFOC and what it means. Some of the pictures that came up...


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18 months to get qualified for what's not even $50 american a pop?

Good lord I'd be amazed if you'd even have any feeling down there after that long.

Then you throw in that they can find out who you are later on and all the legal grey areas, you'd have to be in a pretty rough spot to commit to something like that I'd imagine.

Man I can't imagine how awkward that period around 20 years later would be when you start getting all these random calls from kids that were made using your goods. That must be the most uncomfortable question ever.

"So you're my real dad? Why did you do it?"

"Well you see Jane, there's this thing called Forgeworld and the wife wouldn't exactly let me sell a kidney so this was the fall back plan."

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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
18 months to get qualified for what's not even $50 american a pop?

Good lord I'd be amazed if you'd even have any feeling down there after that long.

Then you throw in that they can find out who you are later on and all the legal grey areas, you'd have to be in a pretty rough spot to commit to something like that I'd imagine.

Man I can't imagine how awkward that period around 20 years later would be when you start getting all these random calls from kids that were made using your goods. That must be the most uncomfortable question ever.

"So you're my real dad? Why did you do it?"

"Well you see Jane, there's this thing called Forgeworld and the wife wouldn't exactly let me sell a kidney so this was the fall back plan."


The sad part is that this was predicted by every expert in the land, but the Government's attitude was 'hey, they're getting £50, they won't care if 12 kids turn up in 20 years time. What do experts know?

The incompetence from our government was something to behold, and I'm usually immune to being shokced by government incompetence these days.

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spankers.

That is all.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
My understanding is that technically the children of donated sperm would be able to claim child support from the father. This naturally discourages men from coming forwards.


There is no ability to claim child support. There was a case around this where someone had a private arrangement, but not a problem when using a sperm bank. Children being able to contact the fathers though is a problem for many men. So is the level of "commitment" required. From my understanding they require quite long periods of abstinence before giving a donation, and heavy restrictions on things like alcohol and smoking.

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I thought reluctance to donate was because the government was taking away people's anonymity. When you realise that in 20 years laws may change further and they won't honour anonymity clauses made today, and suddenly a child born from your donation can look you up and find you, many would avoid the potential havoc that could cause they future lives.

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 Steve steveson wrote:
There is no ability to claim child support. There was a case around this where someone had a private arrangement, but not a problem when using a sperm bank. Children being able to contact the fathers though is a problem for many men.


Aye, if the donation is through a recognized sperm bank the donor will in no case be responsible for the child. A single woman is responsible alone, a married couple will be parents legally even if one of them didn't contribute.

If you agree to help out privately you could be in trouble though, as for example a gay Swedish man found out after helping a lesbian couple get a kid. All three of them had signed an agreement that the women would care for the child and the man was in no way responsible, but when the women separated and the mother of the child needed money that agreement was null and void. The law was of the opinion that you can't legally sign away the child's right to support.

Yup, we saw the same thing here when the law was changed so a child could seek out the donor on reaching the age of 18. Sharp decrease in potential donors.
   
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so this has nothing to do with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers... Frazzled sad.

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 reds8n wrote:


But with the full donor process taking up to 18 month


bloody hell.. no wonder you go blind !


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