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So, I'm not exactly sure what the story is with these two Ork Gods. I've heard that the worship of Gods tend to create the Gods in the Warp in a different way to the Chaos Gods, like with the Eldar Gods, although I've heard it said that they might just be Eldar retelling tales of the death of the Old Ones. I'd assume the worship of a massive amount of Orks that generate a psychic field would create two pretty powerful beings, and given that in Apocalypse you can have a green foot of Gork or Mork crash into enemies IIRC, but other than tiny references like that or things like Ghazhghull claiming to receive visions from the, which could just as easily be him being insane from his injuries. So, is there much lore about these two entities? Do they even exist?

Yes and yes, just go to the wiki on them. There is a very good amount.

And to add they are hand down no competition the most powerful beings in the warp right now, the problem is, lik all orks, they are to busy fighting each other to do anything meaningful

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Yes and yes, just go to the wiki on them. There is a very good amount.

And to add they are hand down no competition the most powerful beings in the warp right now, the problem is, lik all orks, they are to busy fighting each other to do anything meaningful

Actually the Chaos Gods are stated to be the most powerful entities in the Warp in the rulebook.

That's because Gork and Mork are sneaky enough to let them think they are

It's been bluntly stated that Gork and Mork are so powerful that they shrug off the attacks from the other chaos gods with a raucous laugh. The chaos gods have to put up with those two no different then we have to put up with tornados, earthquakes and other natural disasters. They are a force of nature and all that can be done is get out of the path and clean up afterwards. Yes the gods are the most powerful entities in the warp. Gork and More are at the top of that class. The good news for the other gods is Gork and Mork have too much fun stomping about endlessly to bother acknowledging the other gods and don't seem to take part in any of the struggles for warp territory.

It's only recently that they decided they want to leave the warp and come out to play in real space. Ghazzy isn't hearing things or making it up. Gork and Mork do talk to him and when his life is truly threatend (such as the fleet battle following Armageddon 3) they will save his life by pulling him into the warp and plopping him out where he needs to be next. His mission is to build up enough waaaaagh energy so that Gork and More tear themselves out of the warp. Several more perpetual wars of attrition like he's done at Armageddon and Octaria should be sufficient. They've even spoken out loud to Ghazzy and orks on his bridge once through the voices of a bunch of warpheads followed by the traditional head explosions. They also gave Ghazzy the ability to not only see across the galaxy on real time with no lag but he can also speak to his officers and their reaction is immediate. This instantaneous galaxy crossing clairvoyance/clairaudience easily puts astropath choirs to shame.

So yeah. Gork and More are real and now they want to participate in real space politics.

 toasteroven wrote:
That's because Gork and Mork are sneaky enough to let them think they are

See above, gork and mork are well above the main 4 but could not be bothered to mess with them .


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 Backspacehacker wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
That's because Gork and Mork are sneaky enough to let them think they are

See above, gork and mork are well above the main 4 but could not be bothered to mess with them .

Meant for animus

 ProwlerPC wrote:
So yeah. Gork and More are real and now they want to participate in real space politics.

And by ''participate' they of course mean 'hit really hard'.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
That's because Gork and Mork are sneaky enough to let them think they are

See above, gork and mork are well above the main 4 but could not be bothered to mess with them .


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 Backspacehacker wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
That's because Gork and Mork are sneaky enough to let them think they are

See above, gork and mork are well above the main 4 but could not be bothered to mess with them .

Meant for animus

Again, I don't think that's true.
The rule book clearly states that the Chaos Gods are the strongest.
And I believe the Ghazgkhull supplement has Gork and Mork fighting an endless tide of daemons in the warp as the Chaos Gods have a merry time bringing their apocalyptic plans to fruition.

Animus wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
That's because Gork and Mork are sneaky enough to let them think they are

See above, gork and mork are well above the main 4 but could not be bothered to mess with them .


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 Backspacehacker wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
That's because Gork and Mork are sneaky enough to let them think they are

See above, gork and mork are well above the main 4 but could not be bothered to mess with them .

Meant for animus

Again, I don't think that's true.
The rule book clearly states that the Chaos Gods are the strongest.
And I believe the Ghazgkhull supplement has Gork and Mork fighting an endless tide of daemons in the warp as the Chaos Gods have a merry time bringing their apocalyptic plans to fruition.

No trust me, by the very rules of the warp, what little there are, Gork and mork are the strongest.

The reason the chaos gods exist is because mortal races feed them, they are the metaphysical emotions, desires, lust, greed, and every other emotion we feel, made manifest in the warp. They exist because those emotions exist.

Now, gork and mork exist because the orks are the largest most powerful phyker force in the galaxy, they are just to stupid to realize it, if they focused all their belifs into one thing they could make it happen, simply because they vastly outnumber humans.

So you have all these orks, that believe their gods exist, and that their gods are the most powerful, therefor they are. Hell this is a race whos weapons dont actually work, the only reason they do is because they believe so much that they do. Gork and Mork can kick the crap outta Khorne if they could actually manage to focus their attention on something.

Again, I don't think that's true.
The rule book clearly states that the Chaos Gods are the strongest.
And I believe the Ghazgkhull supplement has Gork and Mork fighting an endless tide of daemons in the warp as the Chaos Gods have a merry time bringing their apocalyptic plans to fruition.

This is one of those pieces of fluff that go back and forth with the Chaos gods and Gork and Mork. The majority of the fandom agree that Gork and Mork are the strongest Powers in the warp because there have never been any records of Gork and Mork losing. Ever. And the few pieces of fluff that talk about Gork and Mork pretty much state that they are invincible.

Now it has been stated that Gork and Mork do not really do much except fight one another, the reason why this is is because the only thing that they perceive as a challenge is the other. To Gork and Mork, the Chaos gods are just some things that they can push around and fight when they feel like obliterating an enemy. Other then that they just stick to fighting worthy opponents, themselves.

 Backspacehacker wrote:


No trust me, by the very rules of the warp, what little there are, Gork and mork are the strongest.

The reason the chaos gods exist is because mortal races feed them, they are the metaphysical emotions, desires, lust, greed, and every other emotion we feel, made manifest in the warp. They exist because those emotions exist.

Now, gork and mork exist because the orks are the largest most powerful phyker force in the galaxy, they are just to stupid to realize it, if they focused all their belifs into one thing they could make it happen, simply because they vastly outnumber humans.

So you have all these orks, that believe their gods exist, and that their gods are the most powerful, therefor they are. Hell this is a race whos weapons dont actually work, the only reason they do is because they believe so much that they do. Gork and Mork can kick the crap outta Khorne if they could actually manage to focus their attention on something.

I don't think it would be prudent to take your word over the rule book.
Besides, the Chaos Gods are formed from primal feeling across the multiverse, while Gork and Mork are more abstract thought forms created by one race, so it makes sense that CHaos are stronger in my book.

Orks are ultimately going to win 40k (side bet on tyranid). They are the most numerous by cannon, can warp reality and have gods that semi give a crap about them. Some fluff casts that chaos gods as stronger, but the most explicit story had Gork and Mork treating them as a joke. This reflects the base model, to an ork everyone other than a bigger ork is a weak loser whose skin is wrong, whose gods are odd and whose organization is confusing outside of commissars. They agree cracking a few heads is good for the boys.

Animus wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:


No trust me, by the very rules of the warp, what little there are, Gork and mork are the strongest.

The reason the chaos gods exist is because mortal races feed them, they are the metaphysical emotions, desires, lust, greed, and every other emotion we feel, made manifest in the warp. They exist because those emotions exist.

Now, gork and mork exist because the orks are the largest most powerful phyker force in the galaxy, they are just to stupid to realize it, if they focused all their belifs into one thing they could make it happen, simply because they vastly outnumber humans.

So you have all these orks, that believe their gods exist, and that their gods are the most powerful, therefor they are. Hell this is a race whos weapons dont actually work, the only reason they do is because they believe so much that they do. Gork and Mork can kick the crap outta Khorne if they could actually manage to focus their attention on something.

I don't think it would be prudent to take your word over the rule book.
Besides, the Chaos Gods are formed from primal feeling across the multiverse, while Gork and Mork are more abstract thought forms created by one race, so it makes sense that CHaos are stronger in my book.

see post above you.

Animus wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:


No trust me, by the very rules of the warp, what little there are, Gork and mork are the strongest.

The reason the chaos gods exist is because mortal races feed them, they are the metaphysical emotions, desires, lust, greed, and every other emotion we feel, made manifest in the warp. They exist because those emotions exist.

Now, gork and mork exist because the orks are the largest most powerful phyker force in the galaxy, they are just to stupid to realize it, if they focused all their belifs into one thing they could make it happen, simply because they vastly outnumber humans.

So you have all these orks, that believe their gods exist, and that their gods are the most powerful, therefor they are. Hell this is a race whos weapons dont actually work, the only reason they do is because they believe so much that they do. Gork and Mork can kick the crap outta Khorne if they could actually manage to focus their attention on something.

I don't think it would be prudent to take your word over the rule book.
Besides, the Chaos Gods are formed from primal feeling across the multiverse, while Gork and Mork are more abstract thought forms created by one race, so it makes sense that CHaos are stronger in my book.

Animus you do realize Orks are probably the most populous life form right? in fact the only reason they do not control the universe is because they fight with each other as much as they fight with others, same with Gork and Mork, also I just finished reading the Waaaagh! Ghazghkull supplement and nowhere does it mention them fighting the Chaos gods in fact it shows them as some seriously powerful gods with what they have done with Ghazghkull and only getting stronger as the Orks get stronger.

and with the Orks power growing and their numbers growing so are their Gods, so if I had to take a pick on which warp entities are stronger it would be Mork and Ork especially the way the Orks kicked the Chaos warp entities while in the warp. (Ghazghkull shut a warp gate by hitting it with his head, now thats power).

See, the gesalst field has lost some power over the editions. Early on, a mekboy could litterally hand a stick that looked like a gun to an Ork and it would fire bullets. Nowadays, they need ammo, to somewhat function (the steel legion has used Ork gear in a pinch,) and a whole other bunch of stuff. Because of this, I think that whilst Gork and Mork are powerful, their constant infighting is weakening them, whilst fueling the others. Tzeench gains power as Gods battle each other, Khorne gains power from the blood spilt, Slaneesh gains power from the vibes that Orks get from fighting, and I'm pretty sure all those spores makes Papa Nurgle pretty damn happy.

Combine this with damn solid evidence that the Chaos gods interact with their followers, and that the simple birth of one pernenantly tore a rift in time and space, and I reckon the chaos gods are waaaaaaaay stronger than Gork and Mork.

 Dannyrulx wrote:
See, the gesalst field has lost some power over the editions. Early on, a mekboy could litterally hand a stick that looked like a gun to an Ork and it would fire bullets. Nowadays, they need ammo, to somewhat function (the steel legion has used Ork gear in a pinch,) and a whole other bunch of stuff. Because of this, I think that whilst Gork and Mork are powerful, their constant infighting is weakening them, whilst fueling the others. Tzeench gains power as Gods battle each other, Khorne gains power from the blood spilt, Slaneesh gains power from the vibes that Orks get from fighting, and I'm pretty sure all those spores makes Papa Nurgle pretty damn happy.

Combine this with damn solid evidence that the Chaos gods interact with their followers, and that the simple birth of one pernenantly tore a rift in time and space, and I reckon the chaos gods are waaaaaaaay stronger than Gork and Mork.

nah a stick wouldn't work even back then, as to the steel legion using Ork stuff where is this at? and was it ork built or ork looted?

also if the chaos gods are allegedly all powerful and stronger the Mork and Gork then how come they could not do a simple task like having Horus's voice and eyes see over great distances? would have helped him to win the heresy war.

Gork and Mork's functional power level is probably lower than the big 4's functional power level because the big 4 actually have an agenda and can focus on a task without punching things, but Gork and Mork haven't lost a battle ever or ever been meaningfully threatened (maybe even by each other because the orks don't expect one of them to win against the other of them?). Also hate to nitpick but ork spores don't expand Nurgle's influence. They aren't connected at all to sickness, disease, or decay but are basically baby orks/grots.

Because none of the gods really work like that. Khorne likes up close and personal combat, Nurgle will rot your eyes out, Slaneesh doesn't care... MAYBE Tzeench but that would be more like the 3rd eye of the navigator.

And the Steel Legion have used Ork BUILT stuff. There's a story somewhere about a heavy bolter malfunctioning so they grab a big shoota and use that for a bit.

Oh, and back then, that could absolutely happen. The phrasing was kinda bad, but essentially, if a Mek convinced an Ork it would fire bullets, it would fire bullets.

 Dannyrulx wrote:
Because none of the gods really work like that. Khorne likes up close and personal combat, Nurgle will rot your eyes out, Slaneesh doesn't care... MAYBE Tzeench but that would be more like the 3rd eye of the navigator.

And the Steel Legion have used Ork BUILT stuff. There's a story somewhere about a heavy bolter malfunctioning so they grab a big shoota and use that for a bit.

Oh, and back then, that could absolutely happen. The phrasing was kinda bad, but essentially, if a Mek convinced an Ork it would fire bullets, it would fire bullets.

and it still does, look at how just slapping some red on a vehicle does to it, or their shokk-attack gun shooting snotlings thru the warp, the Orks Gestalt field does not lessen

as to Ghazghkull seeing and speaking to his warlords on Armageddon while around Octavius, how is that a Gork or Mork specialty?

also Big Shootas are not an example really of Ork Gestalt field usage, think red paint, tellyportas, the shokk attack gun shields and so on.

Ok, according to codexes, neumerous meta interviews and the like, half of the Ork tech SHOULD NOT WORK. Literally should not. Should just fall apart. The gestalt field keeps this together. In previous editions however, this effect was a lot more prominent.

Back then, a bit of metal welded to a piece of rebar could fire actual bullets, regardless of whether or not it could actually physically work (no firing pin, etc.)

Red paint (and purple paint,) are pretty simple things to do, and as such, don't need much gestalt field 'power.' However, nowadays, guns need ammo, firing pins, actual, proper barrels and the like. They'll fall apart without the gestalt field still, as they're still basically junk, but they WORK.

The gestalt field is getting weaker. Not because there's less Orks, but because the gods are beating the snot out of each other and not focusing on getting gak done like Tzeench.

 Dannyrulx wrote:
Ok, according to codexes, neumerous meta interviews and the like, half of the Ork tech SHOULD NOT WORK. Literally should not. Should just fall apart. The gestalt field keeps this together. In previous editions however, this effect was a lot more prominent.

Back then, a bit of metal welded to a piece of rebar could fire actual bullets, regardless of whether or not it could actually physically work (no firing pin, etc.).

I repeat where are you getting this from ? I've never seen anything that says what you have said, only the examples I've given and i've been reading everything to deal with orks for a long long long time.

Also I believe the Warp Gods powers are based on the number of followers they have, and right now the Orks have the numbers.

 toasteroven wrote:
That's because Gork and Mork are sneaky enough to let them think they are

Well, ONE of them is cunnin' enuff...

GORKAMORKAGORKAMORKAGORKAMORKA...

Gork and Mork are the most powerful warp entities...physically (?)...As in, if there was a theoretical fight between them and the 4 chaos gods, they would smash em, bash em, and blast em for good measure. However, power is a vague term. The 4 chaos gods are more powerful when it comes to influencing the physical world. They scheme, they create daemons, etc. Gork and Mork are just like super powerful children with terrible ADD. Occasionally, something - well, a big fight - draws their attention and they do interact with the physical universe. There is a story about the construction of a Gargant that demonstrates this. However, for the most part, they are passive entities.

well out of one of the ORK Codexs comes this:

Gork and Mork are Divine powerhouses. deities so strong they are never truly defeated, they simply shrug off the attacks of the other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork Grins, bares his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking before clobbering him with a low blow.

Chaos is always over played as a group of gods working towards a common goal. This is not the case they are at each other's throats. They got exactly what they were after from the Horus heresy and the imperium gives them all the pain, jealousy, duplicity and anger they need. They require the mortal realm and miserable conditions in the imperium to maintain their existence. They probably would welcome an ork run galaxy so long as humans were enslaved and not driven to extinction. More negative emotion.

 Dannyrulx wrote:

Combine this with damn solid evidence that the Chaos gods interact with their followers, and that the simple birth of one pernenantly tore a rift in time and space, and I reckon the chaos gods are waaaaaaaay stronger than Gork and Mork.

The Chaos god who tore a hole in the fabric of the universe also became the weakest of the 4. Need to remeber that that specific birth had some very unusal circumstances that lead to it happening. It is almost impossible for those some circumstances to happen again.

Also, interacting with followers does not mean that they are stronger then Gork and Mork. In fact even without Gork and Mork summoning daemons and what not, the orks are still able to fight Chaos on even turns and even defeat it.

On the point you said that Gork and Mork are growing weaker, I would not say that is the case. If anything the influx of Orks through out the Galaxy and all the WAAAGH! energy that is flowing as well shows that they are on a incline of power, not a decline. Also thanks to recent fluff it would seem that Gork and Mork are now actively working together to enter the Material universe and lead a galaxy wide WAAAGH!

As for their gestalt field is a piece of fluff that has been changed several times. GW made it so that the Orks Gestalt field was how all the ork tech worked back in the day. Now it is shown that they actually use SCIENCE, which in some cases is scarier than space majik if you ask me, and that the field just fills in the blanks. This does not mean that it is weaker, just different than originally imagined.

Asterios wrote:

 Dannyrulx wrote:
See, the gesalst field has lost some power over the editions. Early on, a mekboy could litterally hand a stick that looked like a gun to an Ork and it would fire bullets. Nowadays, they need ammo, to somewhat function (the steel legion has used Ork gear in a pinch,) and a whole other bunch of stuff. Because of this, I think that whilst Gork and Mork are powerful, their constant infighting is weakening them, whilst fueling the others. Tzeench gains power as Gods battle each other, Khorne gains power from the blood spilt, Slaneesh gains power from the vibes that Orks get from fighting, and I'm pretty sure all those spores makes Papa Nurgle pretty damn happy.

Combine this with damn solid evidence that the Chaos gods interact with their followers, and that the simple birth of one pernenantly tore a rift in time and space, and I reckon the chaos gods are waaaaaaaay stronger than Gork and Mork.

nah a stick wouldn't work even back then, as to the steel legion using Ork stuff where is this at? and was it ork built or ork looted?

also if the chaos gods are allegedly all powerful and stronger the Mork and Gork then how come they could not do a simple task like having Horus's voice and eyes see over great distances? would have helped him to win the heresy war.

Tzeentch allowed Magnus to blast his psychic form across the galaxy to Terra and augmented his power sufficiently to bust through all the psychic defenses of terra into the new webway

but what it comes down to is we have an actual GW codex which states Gork and Mork can shrug off the attacks of the other gods while laughing and are basically bad @$$es, now is there anything in regards to chaos which says one of them is the baddest of all gods including Mork and Gork? if not, then end of discussion, Gork and Mork win.

Asterios wrote:
but what it comes down to is we have an actual GW codex which states Gork and Mork can shrug off the attacks of the other gods while laughing and are basically bad @$$es, now is there anything in regards to chaos which says one of them is the baddest of all gods including Mork and Gork? if not, then end of discussion, Gork and Mork win.

No sorry. That's flawed logic. "if GW says Gork and Mork beat all other gods then that is infatically so. But if GW say the Chaos gods beat all others and don't mention Gork and Mork, Gork and Mork are superior"

BaconUprising wrote:

Asterios wrote:
but what it comes down to is we have an actual GW codex which states Gork and Mork can shrug off the attacks of the other gods while laughing and are basically bad @$$es, now is there anything in regards to chaos which says one of them is the baddest of all gods including Mork and Gork? if not, then end of discussion, Gork and Mork win.

No sorry. That's flawed logic. "if GW says Gork and Mork beat all other gods then that is infatically so. But if GW say the Chaos gods beat all others and don't mention Gork and Mork, Gork and Mork are superior"

it is not flawed logic in that we have GW saying Gork and Mork are not hurt by the other gods, is there anything saying so for the other gods? in other words I only know of this saying for the Ork gods and no nothing of the other gods being able to say as much.