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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 02:47:23
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Power-Hungry Cultist of Tzeentch
Lost in the depths of the Warp.
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So, I'm quite fond of the new Custodian Guards. I love the overpriced, assault heavy, models to no end. However, I am aware of some faults and think some psyker support would increase effectiveness. One nasty note I find amongst the Custodes is they lack any kind of grenade (Frag, krak, you name it) which takes away any Init advantage. I would like to use them as a front line push towards nearby objectives or to cancel out other CC deathstars.
Assume 5 man Custodes squad 2 Spears, 3 Shields
I've some ideas on characters to help them out, and wanted some opinions. Also new ideas if you have them.
#1 GK Libby ML3 w/ Domina Liber Daemonica min. cost 160pts
Advantages- 4 rolls on Santic (Sanctuary for a 2++, Hammerhand for Str 7/8!) Frag, Krak, Variety of ranged options (Combiplas/melta). Deep Strike
Drawbacks - No sweeping from termiarmor, lacking anti vehicle outside of CC. Requires GK to avoid being unbound
#2 Inquisitor Coteaz 100pts
Advantages-Cheap w/lots of special rules. 2 Rolls on Divination for (Pres for rerolls, Forewarning for a 4++ unit). Can take in any imperial army, Frag, Krak
Drawbacks-Frail. No base invun
#3 Sevrin Loth (Forgeworld) 175pts
Advantages- Pick 3 powers (Likely Lifeleech, Endurance, Iron Arm), Counter Attack, 2++ Invun for warpcharge, Tough
Drawbacks-Least custom options for highest base cost. Forgeworld approval from fellow players before fielding. So-so warloard trait
I prefer Sevrin Loth. He's a solid fighter, Giving the squad a near guarantee of a 4+ FNP and relentless for the Bolters would be a nice touch of range. However, the chance of Hammerhand from either Coteaz or the GK makes the Custodes able to take a large number of walkers in CC.
So, any ideas or preferences for the Custodes?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 06:34:35
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You want Sevrin AND a GK Lirbarian. Loth can fish for literally any good power from Telepathy or Biomancy, and then the GK for Hammerhand.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 13:43:19
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
Northern Texas, USA
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Why not the stereotypical Librarius Conclave for re-rolling failed saves, and maybe some teleportation? (White scars of course to confer the ever-broken hit and run  haha)
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/11/01 13:43:35
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 14:06:56
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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My mock up list combines them with a Lib Conclave (White scars) and then either Sevrin or Draigo in a CAD to have some obsec units while the main star runs around causing havoc.
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Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.
I have a problem.
Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 22:01:00
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Cephalobeard wrote:My mock up list combines them with a Lib Conclave (White scars) and then either Sevrin or Draigo in a CAD to have some obsec units while the main star runs around causing havoc.
The White Scars will lose their Chapter Tactic while in the same unit as Sevrin Loth or Draigo.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 23:07:49
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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I plan on DSing my Custodes, so I want anyone I bring to include the DS rule. Jump Pack chaplains have been considered. GK Termie Libs seem like an ideal choice.
That being said, Sevrin in a 10-man squad could be great. Add a Ministorum Priest or three and you're golden.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 23:33:30
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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DarknessEternal wrote: Cephalobeard wrote:My mock up list combines them with a Lib Conclave (White scars) and then either Sevrin or Draigo in a CAD to have some obsec units while the main star runs around causing havoc.
The White Scars will lose their Chapter Tactic while in the same unit as Sevrin Loth or Draigo.
Hit And Run can come from Dante (eh) or Sammael.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 23:53:54
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DarknessEternal wrote: Cephalobeard wrote:My mock up list combines them with a Lib Conclave (White scars) and then either Sevrin or Draigo in a CAD to have some obsec units while the main star runs around causing havoc.
The White Scars will lose their Chapter Tactic while in the same unit as Sevrin Loth or Draigo.
Yeah? I didn't think GK had Chapter Tactics and didn't stack with others as a result.
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Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.
I have a problem.
Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/02 05:25:42
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Fixture of Dakka
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They don't, but the FAQ says that doesn't matter.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/02 05:33:37
Subject: Re:Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Stalwart Space Marine
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The Burning of Prospero I just ordered will be arriving by tomorrow, so I was also thinking about using Custodian Guards in games.
And just like OP, I concluded psychic support is a decent way of supplementing the guardians of Golden Throne.
Below is the list I just wrote yesterday. It is not very competitive, but I do not think it is too soft either.
Depending on psychic powers and who goes first, I can either null deploy or start the game with the Custodian Guards and librarians on the board.
1) Primary Detachment : Fist of Medusa Strike Force(Chapter Tactics : Iron Hands)
- Command : Librarius Conclave
Librarian(Mastery Level 2, Terminator Armour, The Gorgon’s Chain, Combi-melta, Force Stave) : 170pts
Librarian(Mastery Level 2, Terminator Armour, Exchange Storm Bolter with Betrayer’s Bane, Force Axe) : 145pts
Librarian(Mastery Level 2, Terminator Armour, Mindforge Stave) : 130pts
- Core : Battle Demi-Company
Terminator Captain(Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Chainfist, Auspex, Shield Eternal) : 190pts (Warlord)
Tactical Squad(1xSergeant : Combi-melta, 4xSpace Marine : Meltagun, Drop Pod : Locator Beacon) : 135pts
Tactical Squad(1xSergeant : Combi-melta, 4xSpace Marine : Meltagun, Drop Pod : Locator Beacon) : 135pts
Tactical Squad(1xSergeant : Combi-grav, 4xSpace Marine : Grav Cannon & Grav Amp, Drop Pod) : 150pts
Land Speeder(2xMulti-melta) : 70pts
Devastator Squad(1xSergeant, 4xSpace Marine : 3xGrav Cannon & Grav Amp, Armorium Cherub, Drop Pod : Locator Beacon) : 225pts
- Auxiliary : Honoured Ancients
Ironclad Dreadnought(2xHeavy Flamer, Seismic Hammer, Power Fist, Ironclad Assault Launcher, Drop Pod : Locator Beacon) : 200pts
2) Golden Legion Task Force
-Elite
Custodian Guard Squad(1xShield-Captain : Guardian Spear, 2xCustodian : 2xGuardian Spear, 1xCustodian : Sentinel Blade & Storm Shield, 1xCustodian : Custodes Vexilla & Storm Shield)
: 310pts
3) Officio Assassinorum Detachment
- Elite
Culexus Assassin : 140pts
Total : 2,000pts
For psychic powers, I believe Sanctic powers are most ideal for supporting Custodian Guard.
Hammerhand is quintessential for buffing S6 guardian spears, whereas gate of infinity is always nice for expensive footsloggers.
Sanctuary improves storm shields' save to 2++, and Vortex of Doom is handy especially when librarians and Custodian Guards arrive via Deep Strike.
The only underwhelming powers are Purge Soul and Cleansing Flame.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/02 06:44:25
Subject: Re:Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Might I suggest a blood angels librarian? Their primaris, quickening, could be quite good for the custodes. Wc1 for +D3 I and A to a target character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/02 12:42:11
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Oh, right. Well, the FAQ isn't active yet. Not worried about that just yet.
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Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.
I have a problem.
Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/03 06:25:42
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Its a draft as in - do you understand the answer as we have worded it? and not a draft as in - do you agree with our answer, we might change it if you don't.
If your local area or group don't use it fair enough but don't expect it to change
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/03 11:58:59
Subject: Custodian Psyker Support Options?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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By all means, use it all you want friend. I normally play by ITC rules. Strokes, folks, etc.
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Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.
I have a problem.
Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.
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