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Greetings brothers,

I'm looking to start a World Eaters HH army.
I've got the two red books, a BaC and a BoP on the way.
From what I've read, armies start to shine at 2k points and above,
so I'm aiming for around that number to start off.

Any recommendations?

For world eaters, I would suggest large 15-20 man tactical squads with extra ccws (which can be S+1 Ap4 Chainaxes) and attached apothecaries as your troops. These can pump out up to 103 S5 Ap4 attacks on the charge for 310 points. Kharn is a decent hq, especially when equipped with gorechild (although his rending machete is good too). For me the Bezerker Assault RoW is really good as it gives your guys hatred while outside your deployment zone and the required additional compulsory troop isn't much of a tax. Red butchers are pretty killy, although they need a transport as their armour stops them from running. Rampagers are ok, although they should be kept with their stock chainaxes as the cadre weapons are a little overpriced and situational at best. If at any point you get angron, he needs a bodyguard (red butchers are good imo) as he's one of, if not the most fragile primarch.

 snykyninja wrote:
For world eaters, I would suggest large 15-20 man tactical squads with extra ccws (which can be S+1 Ap4 Chainaxes) and attached apothecaries as your troops. These can pump out up to 103 S5 Ap4 attacks on the charge for 310 points. Kharn is a decent hq, especially when equipped with gorechild (although his rending machete is good too). For me the Bezerker Assault RoW is really good as it gives your guys hatred while outside your deployment zone and the required additional compulsory troop isn't much of a tax. Red butchers are pretty killy, although they need a transport as their armour stops them from running. Rampagers are ok, although they should be kept with their stock chainaxes as the cadre weapons are a little overpriced and situational at best. If at any point you get angron, he needs a bodyguard (red butchers are good imo) as he's one of, if not the most fragile primarch.

I'm interested though, how do you keep these squads alive vs heavy gunlines?

 snykyninja wrote:
For world eaters, I would suggest large 15-20 man tactical squads with extra ccws (which can be S+1 Ap4 Chainaxes) and attached apothecaries as your troops. These can pump out up to 103 S5 Ap4 attacks on the charge for 310 points. Kharn is a decent hq, especially when equipped with gorechild (although his rending machete is good too). For me the Bezerker Assault RoW is really good as it gives your guys hatred while outside your deployment zone and the required additional compulsory troop isn't much of a tax. Red butchers are pretty killy, although they need a transport as their armour stops them from running. Rampagers are ok, although they should be kept with their stock chainaxes as the cadre weapons are a little overpriced and situational at best. If at any point you get angron, he needs a bodyguard (red butchers are good imo) as he's one of, if not the most fragile primarch.

peeks into room longingly from 40k KDK

BaconUprising wrote:

 snykyninja wrote:
For world eaters, I would suggest large 15-20 man tactical squads with extra ccws (which can be S+1 Ap4 Chainaxes) and attached apothecaries as your troops. These can pump out up to 103 S5 Ap4 attacks on the charge for 310 points. Kharn is a decent hq, especially when equipped with gorechild (although his rending machete is good too). For me the Bezerker Assault RoW is really good as it gives your guys hatred while outside your deployment zone and the required additional compulsory troop isn't much of a tax. Red butchers are pretty killy, although they need a transport as their armour stops them from running. Rampagers are ok, although they should be kept with their stock chainaxes as the cadre weapons are a little overpriced and situational at best. If at any point you get angron, he needs a bodyguard (red butchers are good imo) as he's one of, if not the most fragile primarch.

I'm interested though, how do you keep these squads alive vs heavy gunlines?

Target saturation and luck. I'm not saying that it's the best option, just that it's what I would suggest because I feel it is one of the fluffier choices.

 snykyninja wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:

 snykyninja wrote:
For world eaters, I would suggest large 15-20 man tactical squads with extra ccws (which can be S+1 Ap4 Chainaxes) and attached apothecaries as your troops. These can pump out up to 103 S5 Ap4 attacks on the charge for 310 points. Kharn is a decent hq, especially when equipped with gorechild (although his rending machete is good too). For me the Bezerker Assault RoW is really good as it gives your guys hatred while outside your deployment zone and the required additional compulsory troop isn't much of a tax. Red butchers are pretty killy, although they need a transport as their armour stops them from running. Rampagers are ok, although they should be kept with their stock chainaxes as the cadre weapons are a little overpriced and situational at best. If at any point you get angron, he needs a bodyguard (red butchers are good imo) as he's one of, if not the most fragile primarch.

I'm interested though, how do you keep these squads alive vs heavy gunlines?

Target saturation and luck. I'm not saying that it's the best option, just that it's what I would suggest because I feel it is one of the fluffier choices.

But how can you target saturate if all your sloggers are being pinned? Your attack will hit piecemeal unless your forking out huge sums on transports in which case you infantry strength would probably be lacking, these are genuine questions, I've heard it's effective but I don't know why. Also yeah it's certainly concoordant with WE fluff

They shouldn't be getting pinned if you have your Sgt with Vexilla in there.

Basically you play them like Orks that have 3+ armor and FNP, which is to say they can take a lot of punishment if you're willing to spend the time slogging 60+ guys up the table.

Add a vexilla to each squad so they can re-roll morale to make it less likely that they will be pinned

Fair enough. I still don't like the idea of eating ap2/3 pie plates from all nasty armour in this setting tho but that does seem like a pretty formidable force

In a 1500 pt army you can take 4 units of 20 all gussied up and will not have that many pie plates to deal with.

Also you can't focus purely on the competitive play. It's less likely you're going to go up against an all pieplate/barrage army at all.

 More Dakka wrote:
In a 1500 pt army you can take 4 units of 20 all gussied up and will not have that many pie plates to deal with.

Also you can't focus purely on the competitive play. It's less likely you're going to go up against an all pieplate/barrage army at all.

Exactly. IMO, the only armies in 30k that should be using lots of artillery are Ordo Reductor, Iron Warriors, Guard (Can't remember what they're called) and maybe Imperial Fists. Also, so far as I'm concerned, in 30k it doesn't matter how effective it is if it is fluffy.

BaconUprising wrote:

 snykyninja wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:

 snykyninja wrote:
For world eaters, I would suggest large 15-20 man tactical squads with extra ccws (which can be S+1 Ap4 Chainaxes) and attached apothecaries as your troops. These can pump out up to 103 S5 Ap4 attacks on the charge for 310 points. Kharn is a decent hq, especially when equipped with gorechild (although his rending machete is good too). For me the Bezerker Assault RoW is really good as it gives your guys hatred while outside your deployment zone and the required additional compulsory troop isn't much of a tax. Red butchers are pretty killy, although they need a transport as their armour stops them from running. Rampagers are ok, although they should be kept with their stock chainaxes as the cadre weapons are a little overpriced and situational at best. If at any point you get angron, he needs a bodyguard (red butchers are good imo) as he's one of, if not the most fragile primarch.

I'm interested though, how do you keep these squads alive vs heavy gunlines?

Target saturation and luck. I'm not saying that it's the best option, just that it's what I would suggest because I feel it is one of the fluffier choices.

But how can you target saturate if all your sloggers are being pinned? Your attack will hit piecemeal unless your forking out huge sums on transports in which case you infantry strength would probably be lacking, these are genuine questions, I've heard it's effective but I don't know why. Also yeah it's certainly concoordant with WE fluff

The Berzerker Assault rite lets WE reroll failed pinning checks. And IMO BA is the superior rite for WE, and what you'll see most players taking. Counting on pinning vs WE is actually a bad idea.

Honestly, with WE I'd probably rather face a gunline army than one I have to chase all over the table. I know right where they're going to be. I'm setting up for a turn 2 assault, and that's doable with a mix of Spartans, LRs, and pods. LRs aren't great, but they've gotten cheaper with the recent updates and they don't need to survive all game. Spartans are tough, tough transports. And I like dreads in pods. Contemptors are nice...but Leviathans are next level. If one of those lands up in your grill, you DO have a problem, and you WILL need to deal with it ASAP. These transports cost points, but then I really don't need that many crazies to hit your gunline to roll it. And WE can take shooty units to support their advance.

Given all these tools and more...WE have enough to put together a viable plan versus a gunline. Especially since the latest updates, every legion has its good stuff and ability to win if it can steer the game toward favorable terms. It's good not to get too enamored with one's own legion rules, or worry too much about another legion's. Everyone has 'cards' they can play.

For instance, what if the IW go first...doesn't that make a big difference? Sure it might. But then if the WE player is running Kharn -- and there's a fair chance of that at medium points levels when Angron's too pricey -- the WE player is rocking +1 for rolls to go first and to seize. That ain't shabby.

What exactly is the Berzerker Assault RoW?
I don't have my books yet and I can't find any info about it online.

Kharn is definitely on my list, with Angron at a later time.
I've read that Red Butchers on transports are carnage.
Speaking of transports, how many would you need for a 2k-3k point army?
I've also read two contemptors (One with close combat fist. and other with kheres assault cannon) are good.


Thanks for the input so far guys!

This is the 2500 point list that i am currently working on.

World Eaters: BERSERKER ASSAULT 2500 points
HQ
Kharn, the bloody
Gahlan Surlak
Primus Medicae on jetbike with Thunder Hammer
LOW
Angron
Troops
X19 despoilers, chain axes, sgt with power fist and artificer armor in spartan
X10 despoiler inductii in land raider
X10 despoiler inductii in landraider
Fast attack
Jetbike Sky hunter Squadron, x6 jetbike,x2 Volkite culverin, melta bombs.
Heavy support
Land raider Phobos
Land raider Phobos
Spartan, flare shield, Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary drive.

Have you used the inductii in a game? I have been contemplating adding Gahlan and a squad of them to my list. I'd need to drop something though so I need to know if they are worth it first.

 edbradders wrote:
Have you used the inductii in a game? I have been contemplating adding Gahlan and a squad of them to my list. I'd need to drop something though so I need to know if they are worth it first.

I have not used them I am just starting 30k myself. But every battle report I see them in they seem to do great. The +1 strength from being an inductii and from chain axes really seems to add some punch. And having a Sargent with a strength 10 powerfist seems fun.

I haven't seen any reports with them being used. They look awesome on paper though. Do you have any links to battle reports using them? I'd like to see for my self.

I cant remember any URLs since i tend to just google them but this board has a huge amount of info on world eaters. You might need to skip to page 50 or so the get more recent stuff.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294658-tactica-chainaxe-world-eaters-and-what-to-hit-with-them/

Awesome, thank you. I'll check it out

The 20 man berserker squads are very fearsome in table, I have played agains that and exercices lot or pression in the opponent.

And if you play against heavy artillery you could put un your list 2 or 3 land raiders spartans with flare shields, I accept any LR as a spartan proxie in my group.

I *LOVE* the idea of inductii in a Kharybdis. The monetary cost of a Kharybdis is the only thing that gives me pause, LOL.