Something I noticed about Ork players in my area..

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**Kap'n Krump**

As an ork player, I'm honestly a bit annoyed by lazy conversions.

For example, I can honestly see using a bucket to proxy for a stompa, because they're honestly about the same size and shape, but to straight up use a bucket and call it a conversion is pretty dumb.

I mean, I know it's all make believe, but put SOME effort into it.

I think my pet peeve is taking the orruk warboss model, gluing a shoota to it, and calling it a mega armor lucky stick warboss. At LEAST give it a power klaw, for mork's sake. Probably seen a half dozen lazy, lazy conversions of that.

**oldzoggy**

Does anyone still have a link to pictures of one of those pre FW squiggoth snakebite armies published by GW containing converted plastic dino toys ?

**jreilly89**

Kap'n Krump wrote:
As an ork player, I'm honestly a bit annoyed by lazy conversions.

For example, I can honestly see using a bucket to proxy for a stompa, because they're honestly about the same size and shape, but to straight up use a bucket and call it a conversion is pretty dumb.

I mean, I know it's all make believe, but put SOME effort into it.

I think my pet peeve is taking the orruk warboss model, gluing a shoota to it, and calling it a mega armor lucky stick warboss. At LEAST give it a power klaw, for mork's sake. Probably seen a half dozen lazy, lazy conversions of that.

I actually don't mind the Orruk conversions. They're miles ahead of the 40k Ork models, and it's pretty clear GW doesn't care about 40k Orks

**Baldeagle91**

There was a time even GW openly used conversions from parts via other vendors. Hell I think there's a few example in some of the older WD's and even in the inquisitor rulebook!

**Huron black heart**

Baldeagle91 wrote:
There was a time even GW openly used conversions from parts via other vendors. Hell I think there's a few example in some of the older WD's and even in the inquisitor rulebook!

Yep, they absolutely did used to use other manufacturers bits and pieces. Nowadays they like to think other manufacturers don't even exist.
Orks are an army that absolutely cry out for imagination and conversions, but I agree with the general feelings of the thread so far, put some effort into it. It is after all a game supposedly using visually appealing miniatures, otherwise you may as well stick to computer games.

**Kap'n Krump**

jreilly89 wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:
As an ork player, I'm honestly a bit annoyed by lazy conversions.

For example, I can honestly see using a bucket to proxy for a stompa, because they're honestly about the same size and shape, but to straight up use a bucket and call it a conversion is pretty dumb.

I mean, I know it's all make believe, but put SOME effort into it.

I think my pet peeve is taking the orruk warboss model, gluing a shoota to it, and calling it a mega armor lucky stick warboss. At LEAST give it a power klaw, for mork's sake. Probably seen a half dozen lazy, lazy conversions of that.

I actually don't mind the Orruk conversions. They're miles ahead of the 40k Ork models, and it's pretty clear GW doesn't care about 40k Orks

Well, to clarify, I don't mind orruk conversions either - I'm thinking about using orruk 'ardboyz as 40k 'arboyz. But I just don't like lazy conversions, and I don't think I've seen an orruk warboss > mega armor warboss what wasn't extremely lazy.

**stroller**

I have two warkoptas.

One is the rather nice forgeworld model.

The other isn't. There are trukk bits in it. The landing skidz are nicked from a dead devilfish. The planes/wings/stubs started life as an Aegis defence line. There is cardboard and balsa wood There are... other bitz. It looks rakety and shambolic and held together with luck - and I'm very pleased with it.

**Dakkafang Dreggrim**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im curious if this is just my area or if it is something bigger I never knew.
So, we have a few ork players in our area, and while some only use models from the box, I have noticed that a few ork players tend to get.........creative for lack of a better term.
While I know building your own models for Orks is a draw, I noticed that sometimes it can get rediculous. We had an ork player just slap some Armor Plates and bits from other people and put them on a bucket, called it a Bucket Stompa
A few others will just buy toys from the store, stick some random bitz from other armies and say it is a trukk.
We had one guys glue some droppod doors together, put some propellers to it, and say it is a Warcopta........
I have not seen this from other armies or players, or even the same players with other armies. It seems like just orks. I have seen proxies or "This Riptide is a Y'varha, I wanna test it out before I buy it" but never have I seen other armies just plop down toys.
Is it because the main draw of orks is their cheap to build and people let it slide?
Or am I an donkey-cave?

Hope its not my stuff you are referring to Hotsauce =p

As an ork player I do appretiate a conversion, as long as its a nice, thought out one. But also as an ork player I dont like to see lazy ork conversions.

**MarsNZ**

It's pretty much the same as all the guard armies you see with WW2 model kits standing in for LRBTs. Sometimes the player has done a really nice job, most of the time he's glued an oversized battlecannon onto a Panzer IV and it looks bizarre.

But as someone else in the thread said. It's your hobby.

**hotsauceman1**

Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im curious if this is just my area or if it is something bigger I never knew.
So, we have a few ork players in our area, and while some only use models from the box, I have noticed that a few ork players tend to get.........creative for lack of a better term.
While I know building your own models for Orks is a draw, I noticed that sometimes it can get rediculous. We had an ork player just slap some Armor Plates and bits from other people and put them on a bucket, called it a Bucket Stompa
A few others will just buy toys from the store, stick some random bitz from other armies and say it is a trukk.
We had one guys glue some droppod doors together, put some propellers to it, and say it is a Warcopta........
I have not seen this from other armies or players, or even the same players with other armies. It seems like just orks. I have seen proxies or "This Riptide is a Y'varha, I wanna test it out before I buy it" but never have I seen other armies just plop down toys.
Is it because the main draw of orks is their cheap to build and people let it slide?
Or am I an donkey-cave?

Hope its not my stuff you are referring to Hotsauce =p

As an ork player I do appretiate a conversion, as long as its a nice, thought out one. But also as an ork player I dont like to see lazy ork conversions.

No, your stuff is fine, I'm barely even talking about our group, but ones from older groups I had

**koooaei**

That's what another local ork mek has done. All by hand from scratch using paper, green stuff and plastic clay.

**nareik**

I think this thread might have the attention of the people that could best answer the question:

Many toys have a very glossy finish, what is the best way to prep these to more graciously accept painting?

**oldzoggy**

Just spray it with spray paint. Most spray paints that you use for miniatures are perfect at sticking to toys.
Don't cheap out by buying some dollar store high gloss 1$ spray can unless you have tested the can and you know what the result will be. Some of those dry slow (days) and have a similar hard to paint surface, others have the tendency to clog up details.

**warhead01**

I don't know what I think about it all. I'm not very skilled at scratch building and at this point hardly enjoy building kits. I used to have a 1/35th scale Russian tank destroyed modded up as a battle wagon a long time ago. Not the most amazing thing ever but it looked enough the part. A friend of mine used to use dollar store toys for the base of his Ork kitbashes and lets just say he was very enthusiastic about it. But they still more or less got eye rolls from a lot of the other gamers around. For myself I'm a lazy builder and don't play far enough ahead or even template out my work very well. So my results are mostly displeasing and scraped.
I just don't know how I feel about a stompa that's actually a bucket but I'd have to see it before I decided. A bucket isn't too far off from a stompa sadly.

**SorataZ**

I play Orks and I've done a bunch of converting myself. Part of the appeal of Orks is the whole "use scrap and make your own stuff" deal and I've converted soldiers as much as vehicles, sometimes small-scale, sometimes in ways that are just not possible with only default bits (my favourite chassis, I noticed, is the Rhino).

I also follow a fairly popular Ork converter/player named Irondog. His conversions are just amazing.

That said, I do think that converting should be done with care. Slapping a few doors together and call it a Warcopter, I would probably not accept, but if it's doors, guns, wings, a pilot and *sum Orky bitz*, it would be a whole different matter. Also a bucket with a few armour plates? Just no. But using a bucket as the base and covering it in armour plates, give it a face and *sum big gunz*, hell yeah that might be amazing.

In short, Ork converting should look "authetic" for lack of a better word, not lazy, if that makes sense.

**Angryface**

For me the best things for ork conversions (vehicle wise) is picking up old, trashed vehicles from other factions (like a dog got hold of it, or some such tragedy) and turning it into a proper wagon.

**Franarok**

One of points of being ork is the conversions and crazy stuff xDD

I have several guyz from fantasy orks. A morkanaunt made with a leman russ. A mekanik with a floating head on a robotic body (like Nixon on futurama). Dreads from marines and eldar walkers "zaked". A mekanik with necron bodyparts. 4 grot tanks done with paper. A mega grot tank done with paper too. A big trakk conversionated from ork vehicles.....

That is the magic of the orks (because win games is not hahahaha)

**The Shadow**

jreilly89 wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:
As an ork player, I'm honestly a bit annoyed by lazy conversions.

For example, I can honestly see using a bucket to proxy for a stompa, because they're honestly about the same size and shape, but to straight up use a bucket and call it a conversion is pretty dumb.

I mean, I know it's all make believe, but put SOME effort into it.

I think my pet peeve is taking the orruk warboss model, gluing a shoota to it, and calling it a mega armor lucky stick warboss. At LEAST give it a power klaw, for mork's sake. Probably seen a half dozen lazy, lazy conversions of that.

I actually don't mind the Orruk conversions. They're miles ahead of the 40k Ork models, and it's pretty clear GW doesn't care about 40k Orks

Yeah I agree. I'm thinking of making some Meganobz out of these guys and provided you do actually give them shootas and power klaws - which I will and of which most ork players will have plenty of spares - I think they're very good conversions.

In general, I think the rule of cool applies here, and also how much effort has gone into the conversion. Most of my ork units are converted up from the basic boyz/nobz boxes, and I'd say the most questionable is a unit of kommandos which are pretty much boyz with ninja masks green stuffed on and a ridiculous amount of foliage on their bases. However, I personally think the models look amusing, if not cool, and I've never had any problems. Though when you're using toys or buckets or whatever, I can see how the line can get blurry.

**Engine of War**

Wierdest thing is the Ork players in my FLGS circle is that generally, besides maybe an infantry/hero model or two. There are few to no custom vehciles.

The Biggest custom job is a KillBursta Tank built from a Maus Tank. I built it for an ork player and he has never painted it (which irritates me to no end and I don't know why it does, nor why he doesn't paint it).

Everything from the Stompas to the Trukks to the Battlewagons are GW through and through with no customization. My own 91st Experimental army is the most customized in the entire FLGS by leaps and bounds and its a combo of Skitarii-IG-SM-MT- and Knights!

Here is the Killbursta tank I built.

It looks exactly the same in the picture now, except for a few pieces that have broken off over time. It is the most custom Ork contraption in the entire FLGS.

I'm fine with Ork custom builds, as long as they look decent and have some effort put into them.

**SorataZ**

That's really sad D: Put some glyphs and other Orky gubbins on that tank (as well as some visible crew) and it would look perfect when painted.

**Glitcha**

I'm a big ork player and have serveral custom models. A rule of mine is no toys can be used. I might use it as the base of a model, but it has to be 50% GW parts. I'm more inclinded to go out and get other models and ork them up.