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There a evil that needs to be crushed, broken and ground into the dust of history.
The FSA and many others are just as bad as the rest. Assad is best of a bad set.
Least he not been declaring war on all his neighbors.
Unlike a certain bunch f looks in raqqa.
We'll just ignore that yes, the Assad regime has actually engaged in an armed conflict with a few of its neighbors during the course of this civil war. Not just "oh we're arming the rebels". The Israelis and the Turks committed their own manpower to the war (the former pulled out early after wiping all the Syrian forces nearest to their own border off the map and been less direct since then though). Not to mention the Kurdish state (which I suppose some still refuse to recognize) and outside Saudi backing.
And woo, we're back for round 200 of the "Stalin did nothing wrong" debate. Keep the crap to its own thread please.
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Still too high. Nazis killed 11 million, Japans killed about 6 million. Are you saying Staling was 2 times more evil than Hitler?
Oh hell yea I am. He was a a murder machine on a scale on equalled Chairperson Mao.
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I wouldn't call Stalin more evil then Hitler, I'd just say Stalin was more successful. Because Hitler would have killed a lot more if given the chance. Stalin was still a mass-murdering feth, but was somewhat less bad than the Nazis (which isn't great praise).
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Still too high. Nazis killed 11 million, Japans killed about 6 million. Are you saying Staling was 2 times more evil than Hitler?
Oh hell yea I am. He was a a murder machine on a scale on equalled Chairperson Mao.
If your yardstick for measuring evil is simply a bodycount then Capitalism is the ultimate evil, outslaughtering Communism and Nazism combined with estimates of around 200 million.
At least 3-4 countries involved is a recepie for utter confusing mess.
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Russian ambassador to Turkey dead after being shot in 'assassination attempt in revenge for Aleppo'
Russia's ambassador to Turkey has been assassinated in front of terrified witnesses allegedly in retaliation for the crisis in Aleppo.
The gunman reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar" and said in Turkish "We die in Aleppo, you die here" during the shooting which left Ambassador Andrei Karlov dead.
The attacker was fatally shot by police after killing Mr Karlov and wounding at least three others in what Russia's Foreign Ministry has called "an act of terrorism".
Mr Karlov was delivering a speech at an art gallery in the capital of Ankara when he was shot in a suspected radical Islamic attack, the Hurriyet newspaper reported.
The assassination and aftermath were captured on camera, with video showing Mr Karlov speaking at a podium before falling to the floor as gunshots were heard.
Photos showed the attacker, wearing a black suit and tie, standing behind Mr Karlov with his hands clasped before pulling out a handgun in his right hand and opening fire.
The gunman extended his right arm and pointed the gun at Mr Karlov, and then gestured with his left index finger pointed into the air after shooting the ambassador multiple times.
Witnesses were heard screaming in terror as they ran out of the art gallery, and the gunman was heard shouting slogans as he pointed his finger in the air and pointed his gun towards the fleeing crowd.
Photos and video published online by Turkish media showed Mr Karlov and a second person on the floor after being shot at the opening of an exhibition called "Russia in the Eyes of Turks",.
Three others were reportedly wounded as the shooting continued and people fled for their lives.
The Kremlin said Russian President Vladimir Putin was holding an emergency meeting in the wake of the assassination.
The shooting occurred just days before Russia was set to host a meeting on the crisis in Syria.
The gunman allegedly used police identification to enter Ankara's Centre for Contemporary Arts, and Mr Karlov reportedly did not have a security team with him.
Shortly after Mr Karlov's death was announced governments around the world condemned the attack.
US State Department spokesman John Kirby said: "We condemn this act of violence, whatever its source.
"Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family."
Russia is Syria's most powerful ally and has played a significant role in the Syrian government's attempts to eradicate rebel groups across the country.
In recent weeks pro-government forces have made rapid advances on rebel-held territory in war-torn Aleppo, leaving many people dead or wounded.
After rebels were driven into an enclave in eastern Aleppo after heavy bombing a ceasefire was brokered by Russian and Turkish officials.
It included a plan to evacuate thousands of rebels and civilians, including women and children, from Aleppo to rebel-held territory in Idlib province in north-western Syria.
As far as I know, the last time Russian ambassador died in the early 19th century. I think a word about Aleppo - is just a cover. Something's wrong here. Or the attack was carefully planned or the guards were bribed.
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Freakazoitt wrote: I think, for Russia it is no matter if its Assad or other Alavite. But again, replacing (or removing as West wants) him now will cause collapsing of Syria as there will be no state.
Sure, but that assumes Russia will maintain legitimacy and therefore influence in Syria. If Assad has to go, how much influence do you think the country that committed atrocities to protect a guy who had committed atrocities will have?
He is evil, but why such a huge number? Million were died in gualg, another milllion by other red terror and paranoia things, Are you counting all WW2 victims?
Nope, that's the number without wartime casualties. There was the enforced famine, collectivisation, labour camps, forced relocation, and then finally you get to the mass executions, which was the least horrific in terms of total bodycount.
It's a huge number because that's what happens when you get a ruthless man in absolute control of a country where much of the population lives hand to mouth.
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Freakazoitt wrote: About 2-3 millions. So, in total 4-5 mln victims of Stalin. But of course not 40 million. Not justifying him, just want correct numbers
Your number is wrong by an order of magnitude. Seriously, go read on the subject. 40m is the lowball figure, estimates range from 40m up to 60m.
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jhe90 wrote: Well...the UK, US. Shipped massive amounts onf weapons to the Soviets in WW2. At high cost and through some of harshest sea conditions on earth.
When we did supply Stalin, we supplied Stalin heavily at the breaking point.
We did even if for a short time work with a very dark leader to defeat a greater foe.
I ser no difference in backing Assad vs ISIS, vs terrorism and driving Islamic extremists out of power.
Then you don't understand the situation very well. ISIS is a sideshow. They've got a lot of media attention for their atrocities and efforts to build a truly horrific regime, but in terms of numbers and fighting power ISIS was never going to come out on top.
ISIS exist right now because Syria and the various FSA factions are much more concerned with each other, and the Iraqi army is a debacle. This allows ISIS to exist in the power vacuum. When that vacuum is gone and the fighting ends ISIS will be steadily wiped out. As such, the idea that you'd have to back an known evil just because they would fight ISIS is a very odd strategy.
It is not like backing the Soviets at all.
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: EDIT: Just for clarity, I think the 40 million figure is a bit high; quick googling puts most estimates somewhere between 15 to 20 million.
Look at the date of those estimates. There's been a lot of work done recently, as people have been able to access Soviet archives.
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Freakazoitt wrote: Still too high. Nazis killed 11 million, Japans killed about 6 million. Are you saying Staling was 2 times more evil than Hitler?
upd I googled, it says nazis killed about 20 million confirmed number. But anyway
That's a bizarre argument. You're basically saying that bodycounts define how evil a regime is, and because the Hitler was more evil than the Stalin, therefore Stalin can't have killed more. How evil you think someone was doesn't define what happened - reality defines the conclusion, while you are attempting to use your conclusion to define reality.
Also, bodycount doesn't define 'evil'. A tyrant put in charge of a bigger, poorer country for a longer time will kill more people, than a more murderous tyrant given control of a richer country for a shorter time.
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Freakazoitt wrote: As far as I know, the last time Russian ambassador died in the early 19th century. I think a word about Aleppo - is just a cover. Something's wrong here. Or the attack was carefully planned or the guards were bribed.
You're making up some crazy stuff there, with absolutely no evidence. Please don't.
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thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
Artillery strikes on civilian locations are ordinary, but assassinating diplomats means it is time to freak out.
Jesus fething christ.
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thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
Artillery strikes on civilian locations are ordinary, but assassinating diplomats means it is time to freak out.
Jesus fething christ.
Yes, because you keep killing diplomats without severe consequence, then why bother with diplomacy at all. As for the snipe about artillery striking civilians, then the rebels shouldnt use them as shields. they are fighting in a manner that makes it certain there will be civilian casualties. smallest violin for the rebel cause.
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thekingofkings wrote: Yes, because you keep killing diplomats without severe consequence, then why bother with diplomacy at all. As for the snipe about artillery striking civilians, then the rebels shouldnt use them as shields. they are fighting in a manner that makes it certain there will be civilian casualties. smallest violin for the rebel cause.
I like how one murder of a diplomat becomes 'keep killing diplomats'. Because feth it let's just make stuff up.
Second up, there is a difference between defending a city where people live, and deliberately using civilians as human shields. And even if they are being used as human shields, there is still an obligation to minimise civilian casualties.
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Freakazoitt wrote: OK, how about 200 million? Or 300 million, if we count undocumented? And 100 million soldiers killed by NKVD machine guns (officially confirmed by "Enemy at the Gates").
No, I think I'll stick with the numbers put forward by experts who've studied this very thing. If you want to go with your method of making up numbers I guess that's up to you.
He was more evil, because he was "Russian", and all Russians are evil without explanation. Hitler wasn't Russian, so he was better than Stalin. And nazis now started the war, they just heroically defended themselves from bolshevik hordes and Allies. Also, they had fancy uniforms. Their tanks were best of the best. And Soviets used human waves to conquer Eurpoe, because they wanted to rape Berlin women.
What the actual hell did you just type?
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
thekingofkings wrote: Yes, because you keep killing diplomats without severe consequence, then why bother with diplomacy at all. As for the snipe about artillery striking civilians, then the rebels shouldnt use them as shields. they are fighting in a manner that makes it certain there will be civilian casualties. smallest violin for the rebel cause.
I like how one murder of a diplomat becomes 'keep killing diplomats'. Because feth it let's just make stuff up.
Second up, there is a difference between defending a city where people live, and deliberately using civilians as human shields. And even if they are being used as human shields, there is still an obligation to minimise civilian casualties.
Its a matter of principle, they kill one and get away with it, then they kill more, nothing was made up except in your statement. The rebels are not defending the city, it was clear they lacked the strength to break the siege, any further resistance was on them. These rebels are not "good guys" they are scum, sure they are fighting a tyrant, but only so they can impose their own tyranny. And minimize does not mean "none".
thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
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thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
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thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
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