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Second up, there is a difference between defending a city where people live, and deliberately using civilians as human shields. And even if they are being used as human shields, there is still an obligation to minimise civilian casualties.
The rebels weren't defending a city, they were occupying it. The legitimate government was liberating a city, and all the people in it, from crazy islamists and terrorists. These poor people were held hostage in it.
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"Liberating", by dropping chemical weapons and barrel bombs on civilian targets indiscriminately. We only have rebels in the first place because the regime was using draconian tactics to put down the moderate opposition...
Purely because one faction within the rebels are extremists people see that as a justification for accepting a tyrant to remain in power. We've gone to war with countries for less, and well, NATO would be involved in this already had it not been for the Russians repeatedly vetoing any involvement on the rebel side > then joining the other side and committing troops without any approval.
thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
IF you cant figure that out, then its no surprise why you just dont get it. You are equating these rebels and terrorists as if they are merely misunderstood citizens. Yes, you wipe out people like that, or are you the type that sympathizes with ISIS?
thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
He's a fething King, it's right there in the name.
to quote a great man "because he is the only one who hasnt got **** all over him"...........now come along patsy!
On a more serious note, I have no sympathy for these rebels and their enablers. They threw their lot in with a devil worse than Assad. When they failed to lift the seige they should have surrendered. There is no hope in their rebellion, the best they can do is negotiate the best terms they can get.
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thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
IF you cant figure that out, then its no surprise why you just dont get it. You are equating these rebels and terrorists as if they are merely misunderstood citizens. Yes, you wipe out people like that, or are you the type that sympathizes with ISIS?
Answer the question or take your bs elsewhere. If the problem is that ISIS et al. are indiscriminately and brutally murdering people, how is the solution to indiscriminately and brutally murder people? You don't even know who to target in the first place, but you don't care, because it's not happening to you, is it?
Despicable.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
IF you cant figure that out, then its no surprise why you just dont get it. You are equating these rebels and terrorists as if they are merely misunderstood citizens. Yes, you wipe out people like that, or are you the type that sympathizes with ISIS?
Answer the question or take your bs elsewhere. If the problem is that ISIS et al. are indiscriminately and brutally murdering people, how is the solution to indiscriminately and brutally murder people? You don't even know who to target in the first place, but you don't care, because it's not happening to you, is it?
Despicable.
Like I said, if you cant figure it out, your not worth bothering with.
thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
IF you cant figure that out, then its no surprise why you just dont get it. You are equating these rebels and terrorists as if they are merely misunderstood citizens. Yes, you wipe out people like that, or are you the type that sympathizes with ISIS?
Answer the question or take your bs elsewhere. If the problem is that ISIS et al. are indiscriminately and brutally murdering people, how is the solution to indiscriminately and brutally murder people? You don't even know who to target in the first place, but you don't care, because it's not happening to you, is it?
Despicable.
Like I said, if you cant figure it out, your not worth bothering with.
If you're not going to debate constructively, why are you here to start with?
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
IF you cant figure that out, then its no surprise why you just dont get it. You are equating these rebels and terrorists as if they are merely misunderstood citizens. Yes, you wipe out people like that, or are you the type that sympathizes with ISIS?
Answer the question or take your bs elsewhere. If the problem is that ISIS et al. are indiscriminately and brutally murdering people, how is the solution to indiscriminately and brutally murder people? You don't even know who to target in the first place, but you don't care, because it's not happening to you, is it?
Despicable.
Like I said, if you cant figure it out, your not worth bothering with.
If you're not going to debate constructively, why are you here to start with?
You didnt want to debate, you wanted to make a snipe.
thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
IF you cant figure that out, then its no surprise why you just dont get it. You are equating these rebels and terrorists as if they are merely misunderstood citizens. Yes, you wipe out people like that, or are you the type that sympathizes with ISIS?
Answer the question or take your bs elsewhere. If the problem is that ISIS et al. are indiscriminately and brutally murdering people, how is the solution to indiscriminately and brutally murder people? You don't even know who to target in the first place, but you don't care, because it's not happening to you, is it?
Despicable.
Like I said, if you cant figure it out, your not worth bothering with.
If you're not going to debate constructively, why are you here to start with?
You didnt want to debate, you wanted to make a snipe.
Fine then, let's restart. How is it reasonable to call for genocide, in any circumstance whatsoever?
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
IF you cant figure that out, then its no surprise why you just dont get it. You are equating these rebels and terrorists as if they are merely misunderstood citizens. Yes, you wipe out people like that, or are you the type that sympathizes with ISIS?
Answer the question or take your bs elsewhere. If the problem is that ISIS et al. are indiscriminately and brutally murdering people, how is the solution to indiscriminately and brutally murder people? You don't even know who to target in the first place, but you don't care, because it's not happening to you, is it?
Despicable.
Like I said, if you cant figure it out, your not worth bothering with.
If you're not going to debate constructively, why are you here to start with?
You didnt want to debate, you wanted to make a snipe.
Fine then, let's restart. How is it reasonable to call for genocide, in any circumstance whatsoever?
Its not "genocide" that word is being cheapened to almost irrelevancy,. Exterminating rebels, that is about the only way to end a rebellion, as the defeat of the LTTE showed. There have been negotiated settlements, but usually that requires reason and pragmatism from the rebel side (example being MNLF and MILF in the P.I.) which is very rare in ideologues.In the case of Syria, the rebels are Sunni extremists who if they succeed will bring in far more horror and slaughter than Assad could. This is a lesser of two evils, and the lesser evil must win, even at the cost of annhilating the rebels to the last man.
Except Sri Lanka did not conduct a process of exterminating the rebels, it engaged them in a military conflict. There is a difference between the two. If they set out to exterminate the rebels they would have executed all of the rebel forces they captured. Would you be okay with that?
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1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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thekingofkings wrote: It is time for Russia to avenge itself on these clowns, attacking diplomats is a bridge too far, the rebels, ALL of them, need to be exterminated.
When you call for the extermination of people then you lose any right to call anything "a bridge too far".
That's your opinion. I do not share it, at all.
No, we noticed.
Remind me how you're better than the people you supposedly want to exterminate, again?
IF you cant figure that out, then its no surprise why you just dont get it. You are equating these rebels and terrorists as if they are merely misunderstood citizens. Yes, you wipe out people like that, or are you the type that sympathizes with ISIS?
Answer the question or take your bs elsewhere. If the problem is that ISIS et al. are indiscriminately and brutally murdering people, how is the solution to indiscriminately and brutally murder people? You don't even know who to target in the first place, but you don't care, because it's not happening to you, is it?
Despicable.
Like I said, if you cant figure it out, your not worth bothering with.
If you're not going to debate constructively, why are you here to start with?
You didnt want to debate, you wanted to make a snipe.
Fine then, let's restart. How is it reasonable to call for genocide, in any circumstance whatsoever?
If there were 5 000 people, threatening and killing and raping tens of thousands of others people, wouldn't the killing of the bad 5 000 people be a good thing ? It is the same here. They don't deserve to live or to be well treated like little kings just because they are humans. They are killers and rapist, they use poor innocent people to protect themselves etc... This war isn't beautiful, no war is or ever was, but sometimes there are bad guys, and it's just to kill them.
You and me deserve to live because we are good guys. Fortunately, there are a lot of good guys. But simply being a human doesn't not give you the right to behave as they do and live.
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I can't speak for this poster specifically, but I imagine many people like the illusion of comfort that hard, simple reactions to huge, terrifying problems bring.
They aren't speaking to solve the issue, but to allay their fear.
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And if we wind up in a situation where they win, and form a stable government; we're dealing with their resentment for years (well, till a bigger fish turns up).
A Town Called Malus wrote: Except Sri Lanka did not conduct a process of exterminating the rebels, it engaged them in a military conflict. There is a difference between the two. If they set out to exterminate the rebels they would have executed all of the rebel forces they captured. Would you be okay with that?
When a rebel surrenders, he is no longer a rebel. You hold him until the rebellion is crushed. He has given up certain freedoms and should be monitored. In the case of the tigers, they did kill all who resisted. The ones who surrendered were captured. They are now citizens of a country without civil war. Granted the Tamils haven't had their grievances resolved, but now they are at least talking.
The Syrians are able to tell each other apart, in the case of ISIS and the rebels, they are Sunni and armed. Anyone who doesn't want to be shot should lay down their arms.
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A Town Called Malus wrote: Except Sri Lanka did not conduct a process of exterminating the rebels, it engaged them in a military conflict. There is a difference between the two. If they set out to exterminate the rebels they would have executed all of the rebel forces they captured. Would you be okay with that?
When a rebel surrenders, he is no longer a rebel. You hold him until the rebellion is crushed. He has given up certain freedoms and should be monitored. In the case of the tigers, they did kill all who resisted. The ones who surrendered were captured. They are now citizens of a country without civil war. Granted the Tamils haven't had their grievances resolved, but now they are at least talking.
The Syrians are able to tell each other apart, in the case of ISIS and the rebels, they are Sunni and armed. Anyone who doesn't want to be shot should lay down their arms.
COLOMBO, Sri Lanka — Sri Lanka’s leader is seeking the support of President-elect Donald Trump to free Sri Lankan troops from war crime allegations from the country’s decades-long civil war.
President Maithripala Sirisena said he has already sent a message to Trump, seeking his support.
The statement signals a retraction by Sirisena’s government of its promise to the U.N. Human Rights Council to investigate allegations of war crimes against government troops and the now-defeated Tamil Tiger rebels in the civil war, which ended in 2009.
The U.N. high commissioner for human rights had called last year for the appointment of a hybrid court comprising local and international judges. But Sri Lanka, in a resolution co-sponsored with the U.S. at the council, had agreed to investigate allegations through its own judicial system with international technical support.
Sirisena told a party meeting over the weekend that he would discuss the Human Rights Council’s resolution with Trump and send “special representatives to request (Trump) to free our country from this situation and help us to build a society where we could live freely.”
Sirisena said he would also make a similar appeal to incoming U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres.
His statement comes in the wake of rising pressure by hard-line groups from the ethnic majority Sinhalese that accuse Sirisena’s government of betraying the military at the behest of Western nations.
Sirisena’s predecessor, Mahinda Rajapaksa, who led the military campaign to crush the rebels and rejected calls for investigations during his tenure, has been trying to woo the public back to him on the issue.
A U.N. report says there are strong indications that both government soldiers and Tamil rebels committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during the 25-year separatist war.
The U.N. initially estimated that at least 80,000 people were killed throughout the conflict, but a U.N. experts panel reported later that some 40,000 Tamils may have been killed in just the last few months of the fighting.
Sri Lankan soldiers are accused of deliberately targeting civilians and hospitals, blocking food and medicine for civilians trapped in the war zone. The rebels were accused of recruiting child soldiers, endangering civilians by holding them as human shields and killing those trying to flee their control.
From the time the war ended, the U.S. has been at the forefront in demanding investigations of allegations, and ties between the two countries were strained over Rajapaksa’s reluctance to probe the rights abuses. Relations with the U.S. have improved since Sirisena took office last year.
That inflated death rate sure means it was all on the up and up. Nothing to see here, move along citizen, no investigation needed
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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For the first time they celebrated Christmas in 5 years in liberated cities from jihadist scum. Syrian army is laying them out properly the past few days.
Stevefamine wrote: For the first time they celebrated Christmas in 5 years in liberated cities from jihadist scum. Syrian army is laying them out properly the past few days.
Good news all around
What? Since when have the Syrian rebels been persecuting Christians?
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Stevefamine wrote: For the first time they celebrated Christmas in 5 years in liberated cities from jihadist scum. Syrian army is laying them out properly the past few days.
Good news all around
What? Since when have the Syrian rebels been persecuting Christians?
ISIS certainly would have been. As for the others? I don't know.
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