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Hello, I'm starting now Warhammer 40k I'm not intrested in competitive and most of my list will be very small, usually 500pts rarely 1000pts
The point is is a skitarii Force beginner friendly? Not overly gimmicky but still effective, fun to use and most of all reliable (as I am one of the most hated beings by the dice gods :'c)

Yeah, pretty much. Vanguard are generally better than rangers, but both are OK and they'll both so better in smaller games. The volume of dice you'll roll with vanguard should be enough to make them reliable at shooting. Take a squad of rangers with some arc rifles for your anti vehicle and you're pretty much covering all bases. About the only thing that is fairly unimpressive is the transuranic arquebus, don't bother with them, or if you must, keep it to a pair of them in a ranger squad hiding up the back. If you're taking the plasma calivers, you can mitigate gets hot to a certain extent by putting them in your warlord's squad as the skitari vanguard alpha gets prefered enemy if I recall correctly, allowing you to re-roll 1's.

Thank you, my army plan was a simple 500 pts list 3xsquads of 9 units &3x refractor fields, plus 2 dragoons and one ballista 8to get the formation bonus)... Losing the Arc rifles to a larger continget is a bad idea?
The codex doesn't come witha Qg so I must use one troop pleb, rigth? Maybe a ranger so the unit can plasma spam safely?
I'll make a list following your suggestion and post it, hope for a comment on that :3
Bye and thanks again

What's your exact list? Because special weapons are good, and downright needed for Anti-Vehicle purposes.

 JNAProductions wrote:
What's your exact list? Because special weapons are good, and downright needed for Anti-Vehicle purposes.

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I made this one just looking at the codex and some info, so it's not optimal:

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Troops:
9xRANGERS 125pts +Alpha, RefractoryField
9xVANGUARDS 105pts +Alpha, RefractoryField
9xVANGUARDS 105pts +Alpha, RefractoryField

FORMATION
1xDRAGOON 55pts +Serpenta
1xDRAGOON 55pts +Serpenta
1xBALLISTARIUS 55pts +Autocannon
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I made another one following your intructions:

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Troops:
4xRANGERS 100pts +Alpha, ConversionField, Omnispex, 1xArcRifle
9xVNGUARDS 165pts +Alpha, PaterRadium, RefractorField, Omnispex, 2xArcRifle

FORMATION
2xDRAGOONS 90pts +2xJezzail
2xDRAGOONS 90pts +2xLance
1xBALLISTARIUS 55pts

-I could put a CognisLascannon on the Ballistarius, but I do not think it's worth removing a Dragoons or something from the Troops...

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I tried to follow tour instrutions, but kept the formation, just beacause i like the models -.-"
Thanks for the time

The second list ain't too bad. It doesn't have a ton of Anti-Vehicle, but then again, it's a low point list.

Who's your Warlord in the list? Because I'd advise switching the Conversion Field to the Vanguard Alpha and making him your Warlord.

 JNAProductions wrote:

Who's your Warlord in the list? Because I'd advise switching the Conversion Field to the Vanguard Alpha and making him your Warlord.

I wanted to make a Ranger the Warlord or it is better if I use the VanguardAlfa for this purpose?
I'll put the ConversionField on the Vanguards
Thanks

If you're playing Skitarii, know this-your Warlord WILL DIE. He is, usually, a 2W T3 4+ 6+FNP model. That's fragile as all hell. The trick is not to keep him alive, the trick is to use him to murder as much as you can before he dies.

And in a squad of 10 Vanguard (2 Arc Rifles)? He'll do that.

Let me math this for you. Pop your +1 BS Doctrina, and you're hitting on 2s, rerolling, with 24 Rad Carbine shots. That's around 23 hits (quite possibly all 24) wounding on 5s against MEQs, 6s are double, rerolling 1s. That's 4 5s, 3 6s, and 4 1s, for another 5 on the reroll and 11 wounds, or around 4 dead Marines. Which... Ain't all that impressive. Hrm.

Let's check the math against a Wraithknight! 23 hits, 4 6s in all probability (with the reroll) is 8 wounds, 2 make it through the armour and FNP. Which ain't bad.

Although this is why I run my Warlord squad with triple Plasma. 9 shots, with the +1/2/3 BS Doctrina is 9 hits, and usually 9 wounds too (against anything T5 or less).

 JNAProductions wrote:
Although this is why I run my Warlord squad with triple Plasma. 9 shots, with the +1/2/3 BS Doctrina is 9 hits, and usually 9 wounds too (against anything T5 or less).

I tend to not trust Plasma rifles, the few times I have played they all exploded... but singe I can reroll mybe they are worth
Maybe it's better to shuffle the list a bit:

Tot: 495(+5)pts
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4xRANGERS 125(+5)pts +Alpha, Refractor,Omnispex, 3xArcRifles (or maybe 2xArc and 1xArquebus)
4xVANGUARDS 185pts +Alpha, ConversionField, PaterRadium, 3xPlasma

FORMATION
1xIRONSTRIDER 75pts +Twin LasCannon
1xDRAGOON 55pts +Serpenta
1xDRAGOON 55pts +Serpenta
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It should work now, it has less troops but they are better equipped, sacrificed some veicles but it's no big deal compared to the gain, right?
Thanks for the patience, you are relly helping me out on this :3

500 points is really tight when it comes to skitarii (and 40k in general) but the Getting started box is probably the best way to, well, get started with skitarii.
IT adds a formation with the tech priest dominus and an onager with a squad of either rangers or vanguard, and the special ability is being able to target 1 unit within 18 inches and have TL weapons against them. if you are not keen on buying the cult mechanicus book, I suggest trying to find the white dwarf online with the tech priest dominus's rules in it. it usually goes for 5 bucks If I remember correctly.

You can't take 3 Special Weapons in a squad of 5-you need a squad of 10 for that.

Understood, thanks for the help