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ShaneMarsh wrote:
I'm a Sisters player and I wouldn't take it well. Not every Sisters player is bitter enough for this.

That's fine. We're all different individuals and we react to things in our own way.

 Pouncey wrote:

So, basically, like now, but for everyone?

You aren't a Necromunda, BFG, or Warhammer player are you ? ; )

 Pouncey wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Never before have I ever seen "fans" (outside of Planetside 2) that so eagerly post stock values, and wish for the company keeping their game and models alive to fail, and thousands to lose their jobs. You do realise that if GW fails, you will lose your forgeworld, and your novels, the balance issues will never be fixed, and nobody will ever enter 40k again?
The hobby will slowly die, with no new models to buy outside of gouged eBay prices. Standardized rules will fail, as each enclave of players uses their own ruleset and FAQ due to GW not being able to update the game anymore.
It's fething disturbing that you seem to want for that to happen, and watch the stocks with lustful eyes, hoping for absolute destruction instead of hoping for change.

So, basically, like now, but for everyone?

bs. Your army has been updated with an eBook, and has been given new fluff and art. GW has confirmed new plastic models soon. We're not talking the soft gak that happened to your army. We are talking complete cessation of any more content. No official fluff, no official art, no hope for the future, ever again. If you cannot see the difference, you are simply blinded by spite and malice.

 Pouncey wrote:

ShaneMarsh wrote:
I'm a Sisters player and I wouldn't take it well. Not every Sisters player is bitter enough for this.

That's fine. We're all different individuals and we react to things in our own way.

Yep. Most of us have our grown-up pants on and aren't such myopic whiners.

*points at the SoB army he did for armies on parade.*

You know what?

Why. Do. You. Care?

Do you think I have the power to make GW shut down?

Do you think my opinion on them is going to affect their operation?

If I wouldn't mind if they shut down, it's not going to make it happen.

I lack the power.

Because it's fething disturbing that someone is capable of wishing for the termination of future content, and the ruination of an entire hobby just out of raw spite, because they want new plastics now and aren't getting them. Having the power or not is irrelevant.

I genuinely get people feeling left out with factions such as the SoB (DE are another good example of a faction that is very infrequently updated with models). However, I think wishing that GW tumbles over and dies because of it is a needlessly bitter standpoint simply because you happen to be one of the unlucky folk.

By all means hold a degree of resentment, but wishing that everyone else should hold that same degree of bitter disappointment via GW collapsing isn't going to win you any awards for being reasonable around here.

G.A

 Verviedi wrote:
Because it's fething disturbing that someone is capable of wishing for the termination of future content, and the ruination of an entire hobby just out of raw spite, because they want new plastics now and aren't getting them. Having the power or not is irrelevant.

No.

I'm wishing that I'll get plastic Sisters of Battle soon.

I would prefer if GW stays afloat to keep making those models.

The only extent to which I consider the shutdown of GW good is as a hypothetical example to make you guys understand how I feel.

Why do you think we don't understand how you feel? SoB aren't he only army that doesn't get the love

Regardless, I'm terminating my posting on this thread. It isn't a point worth arguing, and it's just making me salty.

 CrownAxe wrote:
Why do you think we don't understand how you feel? SoB aren't he only army that doesn't get the love

How did you feel at the thought that GW might shut down?

That's how I feel.

 Pouncey wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Why do you think we don't understand how you feel? SoB aren't he only army that doesn't get the love

How did you feel at the thought that GW might shut down?

That's how I feel.

No it's not. Right now there is a still a chance that SoB get updated

If GW collapses then there is absolutely a 0% chance of them getting updated. Those are different

 Pouncey wrote:


How did you feel at the thought that GW might shut down?

That's how I feel.

Noted. Now let's move the thread forward before it derails any further, or just leave it, as I believe the point of the thread has been resolved already.

 Verviedi wrote:
Never before have I ever seen "fans" (outside of Planetside 2) that so eagerly post stock values, and wish for the company keeping their game and models alive to fail, and thousands to lose their jobs. You do realise that if GW fails, you will lose your forgeworld, and your novels, the balance issues will never be fixed, and nobody will ever enter 40k again?
The hobby will slowly die, with no new models to buy outside of gouged eBay prices. Standardized rules will fail, as each enclave of players uses their own ruleset and FAQ due to GW not being able to update the game anymore.
It's fething disturbing that you seem to want for that to happen, and watch the stocks with lustful eyes, hoping for absolute destruction instead of hoping for change.

GW failing might be your best choice, if you're hoping for change. A franchise like 40k would never just die. Some other company would buy it and then, who knows...
Even if 40k just disappeared, "the hobby" wouldn't die. People would just migrate to other (IMO better) systems. Which would mean a massive surge in players for Warmachine / X-Wing / Malifaux / etc.

Finally GW has worked really hard over many years to earn the reputation it has now. Don't blame the fans for justified backlash.

If GW collapsed, someone else would eventually buy the IP rights and likely do a better job that they have done.

Although who knows, things can always get worse.

 Pouncey wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Why do you think we don't understand how you feel? SoB aren't he only army that doesn't get the love

How did you feel at the thought that GW might shut down?

That's how I feel.

Nope this is not at all how you feel at all. Go and talk to some players who's favourite game company actually did go poof. Your failure to realise the difference between how Rackham players feel about the game and how you feel right now is bordering trollhood or insanity. Pick one I am out, this discussion is not going anywhere.

Well, I'd be happy to drop it and not mention it ever again if you guys want to drop it too.

 Pouncey wrote:
Well, I'd be happy to drop it and not mention it ever again if you guys want to drop it too.

I don't remember ever mentioning anything to merit a discussion about how Sisters are neglected (yet again), but sure.

Capiche?

 Pouncey wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
A company going * Poof * isn't at all what Sister players are feeling now.

Sister players are now getting.
- You can order most minis to web order for decent prices.
- You can still order most paints you used to use.
- GW and Indep stores to play.
- Core rule updates
- Other players to play with.
- All sorts of hype from GW sites.

Now this all goes away when it goes *poof* over night.
It isn't just not getting updates, its paying 30$ a sister on ebay while at the same time rapidly losing stores to play in.


Gw not going *poof* is great ( except for my wallet and vacation plans )

-you can buy models on eBay
-you can use other paints than GW paints
-you can play in a club or non-GW store
-the current SoB Codex is a copy/paste of the 5e Codex
-other players can keep playing without new updates
-hype for stuff I don't care about

GW could've shut down years ago and I'd still be right where I am today.


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 CrownAxe wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

ShaneMarsh wrote:
A 0.49% drop isn't great, but it isn't tanking.

Awwr, and I was hoping the company was about to die off forever.

Well, maybe next year.

Why do you want GW to die off? Why not want them to make their game better?

Tried that. Sent them e-mails. No improvement.

Well of course you'd be the same. In another thread you said you only play with your mom. It would be a different story if you played with other people regularly.

This is why it is hard to take Sisters players seriously.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Never before have I ever seen "fans" (outside of Planetside 2) that so eagerly post stock values, and wish for the company keeping their game and models alive to fail, and thousands to lose their jobs. You do realise that if GW fails, you will lose your forgeworld, and your novels, the balance issues will never be fixed, and nobody will ever enter 40k again?
The hobby will slowly die, with no new models to buy outside of gouged eBay prices. Standardized rules will fail, as each enclave of players uses their own ruleset and FAQ due to GW not being able to update the game anymore.
It's fething disturbing that you seem to want for that to happen, and watch the stocks with lustful eyes, hoping for absolute destruction instead of hoping for change.

So, basically, like now, but for everyone?


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 CrownAxe wrote:

So you'd rather they collapse just because they didn't realize how much of a special snowflake you are?

Of course not.

I'd rather they just update my army properly.

But it is nice to fantasize about how people who played other armies would react if they didn't get any new models ever again.

Not well, as this thread is showing.

But its YOUR choice to play sisters. You must have known that it is a near squated army. And if you didnt, then you need to do research before making purchases. If you have been around for 13 years then you have had 8 years to move on to supported army. Either way the crux of the problem you face is in fact, yourself. There are certain realities people need to face in this hobby and as GW customers. As a chaos player I have to accept that I am collecting a punching bag army. I will never have an advantage or even be on par to the big 5. I dont know why, chaos sells, but its how it is.

People are not reacting in a negative way because we dont like the idea of our armies not being supported. We are reacting in this manner because the idea of someone as petty as you CURRENTLY sound being in the same hobby is not a pleasing thought. Look, you may be a decent guy/gal. You may be having a bad day. But no one on the internet knows that, all we know is what you have typed makes you look like a vindictive snowflake. I hate to throw insults. And I dont see anything ive typed as a insult. Im simply describing the way you come across with your recent posts. I do hope you end up feeling better about things. The hobby is supposed to bring joy, not spite.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Well, I'd be happy to drop it and not mention it ever again if you guys want to drop it too.

I don't remember ever mentioning anything to merit a discussion about how Sisters are neglected (yet again), but sure.

Capiche?

You didn't. But you were conversing with me and just because one person drops the conversation doesn't mean other people will too.

Case in point, the two posts after yours.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Well of course you'd be the same. In another thread you said you only play with your mom. It would be a different story if you played with other people regularly.

This is why it is hard to take Sisters players seriously.

Lets move away from insulting sister players. There are actually more sister players (3) in my local gaming group than for example BA or Ultra M players, and they are all fun to play against.
They have the best sculpts that you can get in the GW store, are adept tacticans, have fully painted armies and have generally are all nice persons to play against.

 oldzoggy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Well of course you'd be the same. In another thread you said you only play with your mom. It would be a different story if you played with other people regularly.

This is why it is hard to take Sisters players seriously.

Lets move away from insulting sister players. There are actually more sister players (3) in my local gaming group than for example BA or Ultra M players, and they are all fun to play against.
They have the best sculpts that you can get in the GW store, are adept tacticans, have fully painted armies and have generally are all nice persons to play against.

Yes, it would be nice if people stopped extrapolating my behavior onto other individuals who have posted in this thread to say they disagree with me.

 Korinov wrote:
If GW collapsed, someone else would eventually buy the IP rights and likely do a better job that they have done.

This is an important point. GW failing doesn't necessarily mean the doomsday scenarios of the 40k IP disappearing forever. In fact, GW going bankrupt and the IP going to FFG/WOTC/etc would be the best thing that could happen for the community.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
If GW collapsed, someone else would eventually buy the IP rights and likely do a better job that they have done.

This is an important point. GW failing doesn't necessarily mean the doomsday scenarios of the 40k IP disappearing forever. In fact, GW going bankrupt and the IP going to FFG/WOTC/etc would be the best thing that could happen for the community.

So... basically WH40k, but without the GW management?

That does sound like an improvement, yes.

Seems ok

 Pouncey wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
If GW collapsed, someone else would eventually buy the IP rights and likely do a better job that they have done.

This is an important point. GW failing doesn't necessarily mean the doomsday scenarios of the 40k IP disappearing forever. In fact, GW going bankrupt and the IP going to FFG/WOTC/etc would be the best thing that could happen for the community.

So... basically WH40k, but without the GW management?

That does sound like an improvement, yes.

There is no guarantee a good company will get the 40k IP, it would be auctioned off so would go to the highest bidder. It could be bought out by a company even worse then GW

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
If GW collapsed, someone else would eventually buy the IP rights and likely do a better job that they have done.

This is an important point. GW failing doesn't necessarily mean the doomsday scenarios of the 40k IP disappearing forever. In fact, GW going bankrupt and the IP going to FFG/WOTC/etc would be the best thing that could happen for the community.

So... basically WH40k, but without the GW management?

That does sound like an improvement, yes.

There is no guarantee a good company will get the 40k IP, it would be auctioned off so would go to the highest bidder. It could be bought out by a company even worse then GW

Do those exist? Are there miniatures wargaming companies worse than GW out there?

Table wrote:
But its YOUR choice to play sisters. You must have known that it is a near squated army. And if you didnt, then you need to do research before making purchases. If you have been around for 13 years then you have had 8 years to move on to supported army. Either way the crux of the problem you face is in fact, yourself. There are certain realities people need to face in this hobby and as GW customers. As a chaos player I have to accept that I am collecting a punching bag army. I will never have an advantage or even be on par to the big 5. I dont know why, chaos sells, but its how it is.

This is an incredibly disgraceful thing to say.

In any case, there have been people left even in a worse place than SoB players: Squats players. Pretty much kicked out of the game almost two decades ago simply because, according to that useless buffoon called Jervis, the Studio guys couldn't come up with a way to keep the army interesting enough.

And let's not forget all the incredible Chaos-y conversions that 2nd edition promoted and 3rd edition promptly invalidated.

 Korinov wrote:

Table wrote:
But its YOUR choice to play sisters. You must have known that it is a near squated army. And if you didnt, then you need to do research before making purchases. If you have been around for 13 years then you have had 8 years to move on to supported army. Either way the crux of the problem you face is in fact, yourself. There are certain realities people need to face in this hobby and as GW customers. As a chaos player I have to accept that I am collecting a punching bag army. I will never have an advantage or even be on par to the big 5. I dont know why, chaos sells, but its how it is.

This is an incredibly disgraceful thing to say.

In any case, there have been people left even in a worse place than SoB players: Squats players. Pretty much kicked out of the game almost two decades ago simply because, according to that useless buffoon called Jervis, the Studio guys couldn't come up with a way to keep the army interesting enough.

And let's not forget all the incredible Chaos-y conversions that 2nd edition promoted and 3rd edition promptly invalidated.

True, Squats do have it worse.

They've probably come to terms with it by now, since the army has been killed off entirely so there's not the constant allure that maybe they'll get their update.