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**Davor**

Crimson wrote:
Pouncey wrote:

Awwr, and I was hoping the company was about to die off forever.

Well, maybe next year.

What's your problem, did GW kill your puppy?

I really do not understand the people who wish for demise of GW. If you don't like their products, don't buy them.
And if you're not going to buy their stuff anyway, why do you care whether the company exists or not?The fact remains that a lot of people enjoy their products and it is pretty callous to wish that they'd be deprived of that enjoyment.

Like I think that most of Mantic minis are utter crap, but I still don't wish ill for Mantic. Many people like their products and their liking a thing I don't like don't hurt me in any way.

Very well said. I use to be like that sadly. I found out GW wasn't the problem, I was, and so I gave up and stopped buying GW. After all why hold so much hatred and negativity to a company that doesn't even know you exist. Sadly I was 35 years old when I realized being angry at plastic toy soldiers the problem was me, not the other way around. So true what you said.

That said, how does half a percent tank a company?

**Table**

Korinov wrote:
Table wrote:
But its YOUR choice to play sisters. You must have known that it is a near squated army. And if you didnt, then you need to do research before making purchases. If you have been around for 13 years then you have had 8 years to move on to supported army. Either way the crux of the problem you face is in fact, yourself. There are certain realities people need to face in this hobby and as GW customers. As a chaos player I have to accept that I am collecting a punching bag army. I will never have an advantage or even be on par to the big 5. I dont know why, chaos sells, but its how it is.

This is an incredibly disgraceful thing to say.

In any case, there have been people left even in a worse place than SoB players: Squats players. Pretty much kicked out of the game almost two decades ago simply because, according to that useless buffoon called Jervis, the Studio guys couldn't come up with a way to keep the army interesting enough.

And let's not forget all the incredible Chaos-y conversions that 2nd edition promoted and 3rd edition promptly invalidated.

I fail to see how its disgraceful. Never did I condone sisters not getting supported. What I DID say was that there are certain realities that we, as GW customers, need to understand. One of those is that sisters will probably never get support on the level of other factions. Whats disgraceful is wishing ill will on others for your personal frustrations.

**Pouncey**

Davor wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Pouncey wrote:

Awwr, and I was hoping the company was about to die off forever.

Well, maybe next year.

What's your problem, did GW kill your puppy?

I really do not understand the people who wish for demise of GW. If you don't like their products, don't buy them.
And if you're not going to buy their stuff anyway, why do you care whether the company exists or not?The fact remains that a lot of people enjoy their products and it is pretty callous to wish that they'd be deprived of that enjoyment.

Like I think that most of Mantic minis are utter crap, but I still don't wish ill for Mantic. Many people like their products and their liking a thing I don't like don't hurt me in any way.

Very well said. I use to be like that sadly. I found out GW wasn't the problem, I was, and so I gave up and stopped buying GW. After all why hold so much hatred and negativity to a company that doesn't even know you exist. Sadly I was 35 years old when I realized being angry at plastic toy soldiers the problem was me, not the other way around. So true what you said.

I'm not sure what you think is going on inside my mind, but I am sure that whatever you're thinking is wrong.

**CrownAxe**

Pouncey wrote:
CrownAxe wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
Korinov wrote:
If GW collapsed, someone else would eventually buy the IP rights and likely do a better job that they have done.

This is an important point. GW failing doesn't necessarily mean the doomsday scenarios of the 40k IP disappearing forever. In fact, GW going bankrupt and the IP going to FFG/WOTC/etc would be the best thing that could happen for the community.

So... basically WH40k, but without the GW management?

That does sound like an improvement, yes.

There is no guarantee a good company will get the 40k IP, it would be auctioned off so would go to the highest bidder. It could be bought out by a company even worse then GW

Do those exist? Are there miniatures wargaming companies worse than GW out there?

It doesn't have to be a miniatures company. Any company could bid for the 40k IP. It could bought by a chinese company who only sells the pre existing models and doesn't add anything or even make rules for the game. Or it could have been bought by an random company who only wanted the ip and doesn't actually make a game with it

**Pouncey**

Table wrote:
I fail to see how its disgraceful. Never did I condone sisters not getting supported. What I DID say was that there are certain realities that we, as GW customers, need to understand. One of those is that sisters will probably never get support on the level of other factions. Whats disgraceful is wishing ill will on others for your personal frustrations.

I'm not superstitious. I don't believe wishing things will make them happen.

**Peregrine**

CrownAxe wrote:
There is no guarantee a good company will get the 40k IP, it would be auctioned off so would go to the highest bidder. It could be bought out by a company even worse then GW

That assumes we're talking about an actual bankruptcy auction of assets, without any control by GW. The alternative is that GW gets into financial trouble where the end is inevitable and WOTC/FFG/etc makes a deal to buy GW.

**Anfauglir**

Pouncey wrote:
Table wrote:
I fail to see how its disgraceful. Never did I condone sisters not getting supported. What I DID say was that there are certain realities that we, as GW customers, need to understand. One of those is that sisters will probably never get support on the level of other factions. Whats disgraceful is wishing ill will on others for your personal frustrations.

I'm not superstitious. I don't believe wishing things will make them happen.

No, but wishing for them anyway still makes you a bitter, spiteful person.

**Pouncey**

Anfauglir wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Table wrote:
I fail to see how its disgraceful. Never did I condone sisters not getting supported. What I DID say was that there are certain realities that we, as GW customers, need to understand. One of those is that sisters will probably never get support on the level of other factions. Whats disgraceful is wishing ill will on others for your personal frustrations.

I'm not superstitious. I don't believe wishing things will make them happen.

No, but wishing for them anyway still makes you a bitter, spiteful person.

Well, yes, of course. I am rather upset with GW, as you may have noticed. Of course I say bad things about them.

**oldravenman3025**

Verviedi wrote:
Never before have I ever seen "fans" (outside of Planetside 2) that so eagerly post stock values, and wish for the company keeping their game and models alive to fail, and thousands to lose their jobs. You do realise that if GW fails, you will lose your forgeworld, and your novels, the balance issues will never be fixed, and nobody will ever enter 40k again?
The hobby will slowly die, with no new models to buy outside of gouged eBay prices. Standardized rules will fail, as each enclave of players uses their own ruleset and FAQ due to GW not being able to update the game anymore.
It's fething disturbing that you seem to want for that to happen, and watch the stocks with lustful eyes, hoping for absolute destruction instead of hoping for change.

I've seen it more times over the years than I care to remember.

It's like cutting off the nose to spite the face, so to speak.

**SagesStone**

Pouncey wrote:
Table wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Pouncey wrote:

Awwr, and I was hoping the company was about to die off forever.

Well, maybe next year.

What's your problem, did GW kill your puppy?

I really do not understand the people who wish for demise of GW. If you don't like their products, don't buy them.
And if you're not going to buy their stuff anyway, why do you care whether the company exists or not?The fact remains that a lot of people enjoy their products and it is pretty callous to wish that they'd be deprived of that enjoyment.

Like I think that most of Mantic minis are utter crap, but I still don't wish ill for Mantic. Many people like their products and their liking a thing I don't like don't hurt me in any way.

I was hoping maybe the rest of you guys could spend the next 13 years not getting any new models for your armies.

Nice......

Yup.

Might give people some perspective on how Sisters of Battle players feel.

Yeh, I have one yet I don't moan about them not getting new models nor wish the same thing on other players though. I hope they do get new models so I can add more to them and do more with them, but at the same time there's other things that interest me. In the long run it means GW isn't getting as much money as they could from me.

**Davor**

Pouncey wrote:
Davor wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Pouncey wrote:

Awwr, and I was hoping the company was about to die off forever.

Well, maybe next year.

What's your problem, did GW kill your puppy?

I really do not understand the people who wish for demise of GW. If you don't like their products, don't buy them.
And if you're not going to buy their stuff anyway, why do you care whether the company exists or not?The fact remains that a lot of people enjoy their products and it is pretty callous to wish that they'd be deprived of that enjoyment.

Like I think that most of Mantic minis are utter crap, but I still don't wish ill for Mantic. Many people like their products and their liking a thing I don't like don't hurt me in any way.

Very well said. I use to be like that sadly. I found out GW wasn't the problem, I was, and so I gave up and stopped buying GW. After all why hold so much hatred and negativity to a company that doesn't even know you exist. Sadly I was 35 years old when I realized being angry at plastic toy soldiers the problem was me, not the other way around. So true what you said.

I'm not sure what you think is going on inside my mind, but I am sure that whatever you're thinking is wrong.

Where did I say anything against you my friend? I never have said or insuated anything to do inside your mind. I quoted Crimson, not you. I agreed with what Crimson said. If I had a problem against something, I should just leave. I said it applied to me a long time ago, nothing about you. I agreed that I shouldn't be buying their products if upset. And since I wasn't buying their products why should I be upset with them then.

Where did I say your name? Where did I say this applied to you? No my friend, I just agreed and how it applied to me and that he is correct.

**Anfauglir**

Pouncey wrote:
Well, yes, of course. I am rather upset with GW, as you may have noticed. Of course I say bad things about them.

It's one thing to say bad things about GW, it's another thing entirely to want the hobby itself and other hobbyists to suffer for the sake of your feelings. Don't pretend they're the same.

**Pouncey**

Anfauglir wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Well, yes, of course. I am rather upset with GW, as you may have noticed. Of course I say bad things about them.

It's one thing to say bad things about GW, it's another thing entirely to want the hobby itself and other hobbyists to suffer for the sake of your feelings. Don't pretend they're the same.

Not really.

I lack the power to make the hobby itself suffer. So I can't make that happen just from saying bad things.

And let's say I felt the opposite, that I really really wanted GW to succeed. If they were going under as a company, my good thoughts wouldn't keep the company afloat.

Whether I say it or not, the same thing's going to happen.

So there's no difference. Because me saying it, or not saying it, is not going to make a difference.

**SagesStone**

Pouncey wrote:
Anfauglir wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Well, yes, of course. I am rather upset with GW, as you may have noticed. Of course I say bad things about them.

It's one thing to say bad things about GW, it's another thing entirely to want the hobby itself and other hobbyists to suffer for the sake of your feelings. Don't pretend they're the same.

Not really.

I lack the power to make the hobby itself suffer. So I can't make that happen just from saying bad things.

And let's say I felt the opposite, that I really really wanted GW to succeed. If they were going under as a company, my good thoughts wouldn't keep the company afloat.

Whether I say it or not, the same thing's going to happen.

So there's no difference. Because me saying it, or not saying it, is not going to make a difference.

I guess you can have my 4th or 5th exalt for some reason.

**Pouncey**

n0t_u wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Anfauglir wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Well, yes, of course. I am rather upset with GW, as you may have noticed. Of course I say bad things about them.

It's one thing to say bad things about GW, it's another thing entirely to want the hobby itself and other hobbyists to suffer for the sake of your feelings. Don't pretend they're the same.

Not really.

I lack the power to make the hobby itself suffer. So I can't make that happen just from saying bad things.

And let's say I felt the opposite, that I really really wanted GW to succeed. If they were going under as a company, my good thoughts wouldn't keep the company afloat.

Whether I say it or not, the same thing's going to happen.

So there's no difference. Because me saying it, or not saying it, is not going to make a difference.

I guess you can have my 4th or 5th exalt for some reason.

I was also considering quoting Futurama.

"No, no one's saying that. But I sure am thinking it loudly."

**Anfauglir**

Pouncey wrote:
Not really.

I lack the power to make the hobby itself suffer. So I can't make that happen just from saying bad things.

You don't seem to understand, so I'll repeat myself; just having the thoughts/wishes/desires themselves are what makes you a bitter, spiteful person. Whether or not you have any power to act on those is utterly irrelevant to what anyone has said, and no such claims have been put fourth. Simple.

**Pouncey**

Anfauglir wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Not really.

I lack the power to make the hobby itself suffer. So I can't make that happen just from saying bad things.

You don't seem to understand, so I'll repeat myself; just having the thoughts/wishes/desires themselves are what makes you a bitter, spiteful person. Whether or not you have any power to act on those is utterly irrelevant to what anyone has said, and no such claims have been put fourth. Simple.

Yes, I already acknowledged that I am rather bitter and spiteful.

I just don't see why saying it makes it any worse than it was before when I was only thinking it.

**Davor**

Anfauglir wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Not really.

I lack the power to make the hobby itself suffer. So I can't make that happen just from saying bad things.

You don't seem to understand, so I'll repeat myself; just having the thoughts/wishes/desires themselves are what makes you a bitter, spiteful person. Whether or not you have any power to act on those is utterly irrelevant to what anyone has said, and no such claims have been put fourth. Simple.

Again so true. And I am quoting Anfauglir, not you Pouncey. That was me 15 years ago. Hell I would say that is a little me now today.

**Anfauglir**

Pouncey wrote:
Yes, I already acknowledged that I am rather bitter and spiteful.

I just don't see why saying it makes it any worse than it was before when I was only thinking it.

And I don't see anyone making the claim that it's any worse. It was bad when you thought it, and it's just as bad now you've said it. So what's your point? Furthermore, you don't understand the difference between saying; "gee I really dislike GW and what they've done to me" and saying; "gee I really wish GW did to everyone what they did to me so we can all get

on together just so I can feel better about it". So no, you haven't really acknowledged it.

**Davor**

Pouncey wrote:
A thought occurs.

Maybe if you don't like something GW does, you should post it here for us to discuss, then also go send them an e-mail about it so the people who actually make the game also know how you feel.

Even if they ignore it, it's at least more likely to get something changed, right?

I am curious, do you follow your own advice?

**Pouncey**

Anfauglir wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
Yes, I already acknowledged that I am rather bitter and spiteful.

I just don't see why saying it makes it any worse than it was before when I was only thinking it.

And I don't see anyone making the claim that it's any worse. It was bad when you thought it, and it's just as bad now you've said it. So what's your point? Furthermore, you don't understand the difference between saying; "gee I really dislike GW and what they've done to me" and saying; "gee I really wish GW did to everyone what they did to me so we can all get on together just so I can feel better about it". So no, you haven't really acknowledged it.

I think you're more superstitious than you'd like to admit.

You're placing an unwarranted amount of emphasis on wishing for things to happen.

Example: I wish a Gamma Ray Burst would just wipe out all life on Earth right now so humanity's reign of destruction can finally come to its inevitable conclusion.

There. I just gave a similar voice to my misanthropism.

You may notice that humanity was not destroyed by a Gamma Ray Burst.

**Davor**

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**Pouncey**

Davor wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
A thought occurs.

Maybe if you don't like something GW does, you should post it here for us to discuss, then also go send them an e-mail about it so the people who actually make the game also know how you feel.

Even if they ignore it, it's at least more likely to get something changed, right?

I am curious, do you follow your own advice?

Yes.

Though my e-mail to GW did devolve into more profanity than was likely to be helpful.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Yeah but it shows you're useless in contributing to helping fix society's problems and decide to whine about screwy humanity is instead. I help the homeless and animal shelter in my freetime outside this hobby and I don't think a gamma ray should hit earth because I want to do something about my living area.

**Pouncey**

Davor wrote:
Nope it hasn't. But if you really thought this and want this to be true, what was that you said I don't know what is going inside your head? To wish utter destruction of mankind? Did I just read this right?

And having no intent whatsoever to make it happen.

And making no effort whatsoever to make it happen.

And wishing. Doesn't make things happen.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yeah but it shows you're useless in contributing to helping fix society's problems and decide to whine about screwy humanity is instead. I help the homeless and animal shelter in my freetime outside this hobby and I don't think a gamma ray should hit earth because I want to do something about my living area.

Why are you treating it as a real possibility that might happen?

**Davor**

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**Slayer-Fan123**

Pouncey wrote:
Davor wrote:
Nope it hasn't. But if you really thought this and want this to be true, what was that you said I don't know what is going inside your head? To wish utter destruction of mankind? Did I just read this right?

And having no intent whatsoever to make it happen.

And making no effort whatsoever to make it happen.

And wishing. Doesn't make things happen.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yeah but it shows you're useless in contributing to helping fix society's problems and decide to whine about screwy humanity is instead. I help the homeless and animal shelter in my freetime outside this hobby and I don't think a gamma ray should hit earth because I want to do something about my living area.

Why are you treating it as a real possibility that might happen?

I'm not. I'm treating it as showing your real attitude. Nobody wants to associate with people like that, even people with the same mindset.

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It is useless and a waste of your own time.

**Davor**

I will ask again

, how does half a percent meant GW stock is tanking?

**Mitochondria**

I want GW to fail so hard that they have no option but to sell off their IP to someone that will love it and nurture it to glory.

Along the way they will decrease prices.

Kind of how Disney took over Lucasfilm.

**ERJAK**

Pouncey wrote:
malamis wrote:
Holy crud anyone who bought GW stock right after the Brexit vote will have made nearly £100/share :|

They must be doing *something* right to recover that well.

From a shareholder perspective, certainly.

From a Pouncey's perspective, no.

FTFY