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Latro_ wrote: One horrible thing i thought of and not 100% sure its legal.
A fair few Tzeetch powers are beams . Unless i'm missing something can you not pick a point i dunno though your own unit of horrors (or strategic parts of the unit) for complete shenigans... creating new units for next turn WC, footprint, general tomfoolery. Heck even do this on a unit you just summoned.
beam powers don't just target a point on the table. They still need to target an enemy unit you just are also allowed to draw the beam through friendly units
Latro_ wrote: One horrible thing i thought of and not 100% sure its legal.
A fair few Tzeetch powers are beams . Unless i'm missing something can you not pick a point i dunno though your own unit of horrors (or strategic parts of the unit) for complete shenigans... creating new units for next turn WC, footprint, general tomfoolery. Heck even do this on a unit you just summoned.
beam powers don't just target a point on the table. They still need to target an enemy unit you just are also allowed to draw the beam through friendly units
see i'm trying to find a rule that proves that you can't...? everything i read points to exactly the ability to do that. The beam entry says nothing about targeting a unit and the witchfire entry specifically mentions targeting a point on the table.
"...a psyker must be able to see the target unit (or target point)...''
'..target a point within the power's range...'
40kFAQ:
'Q: A beam attack does not target a unit – can you still Jink?
A: No.'
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Well, if you split in you movement phase, you only need one blue and/or brimstone horror to gain an extra WC for the following psychic phase. That's worth sacrificing one pink to, seeing as that makes 2 blues which are free and you can then sac one of those for a the brimstone. Of course that's easier said than done.
Roknar wrote: Well, if you split in you movement phase, you only need one blue and/or brimstone horror to gain an extra WC for the following psychic phase. That's worth sacrificing one pink to, seeing as that makes 2 blues which are free and you can then sac one of those for a the brimstone. Of course that's easier said than done.
look a blown up rhino, quick walk over it!
XD
Or jump the horrors out of a LR and somehow ram something for an explosion? like hitting flint together to create a spark or fire? see its dead fluffy!
Then the big daddy, death claw drop pod coming in and heat blasting horrors for silliness.
Love how we're debating buying GW models so we can destroy them OURSELVES to use more GW models, well played GW well played
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Love how we're debating buying GW models so we can destroy them OURSELVES to use more GW models, well played GW well played
I did notice that the 'designers note' for Brimstone Horrors on the pictures earlier in this thread says 'each Brimstone Horror consists of a pair of Horrors that share a base'.
So, for the common unit of 11 Pink Horrors, you need the original 11 Pinks, 22 Blues for when they Split and 44 individual Brimstone models for when they Split Again.
That's a suggested 77 models just for a single base squad!
To put it another way, that's £144 per squad in your army!
Nice try GW. Nice try...
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Love how we're debating buying GW models so we can destroy them OURSELVES to use more GW models, well played GW well played
I did notice that the 'designers note' for Brimstone Horrors on the pictures earlier in this thread says 'each Brimstone Horror consists of a pair of Horrors that share a base'.
So, for the common unit of 11 Pink Horrors, you need the original 11 Pinks, 22 Blues for when they Split and 44 individual Brimstone models for when they Split Again.
That's a suggested 77 models just for a single base squad!
To put it another way, that's £144 per squad in your army!
Nice try GW. Nice try...
Blue horrors make a single base of a brimstone horror pair. So its 11 pink to 22 blue to 22 brimstone bases
Honestly, for brimstones, does anyone have any fire from GW models available? You can take some leftover flames from the burning chariot and make brimstones from it. They can't FORCE your brimstones to have faces, and you'll be using all GW parts. Laugh at anyone trying to tell you otherwise.
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timetowaste85 wrote: Honestly, for brimstones, does anyone have any fire from GW models available? You can take some leftover flames from the burning chariot and make brimstones from it. They can't FORCE your brimstones to have faces, and you'll be using all GW parts. Laugh at anyone trying to tell you otherwise.
They can force you to to have faces, because people can just refuse to play you and your "scenic bases with no actual figure on it". Nothing about being made from a GW part gives you a free pass.
timetowaste85 wrote: Honestly, for brimstones, does anyone have any fire from GW models available? You can take some leftover flames from the burning chariot and make brimstones from it. They can't FORCE your brimstones to have faces, and you'll be using all GW parts. Laugh at anyone trying to tell you otherwise.
Love how we're debating buying GW models so we can destroy them OURSELVES to use more GW models, well played GW well played
I did notice that the 'designers note' for Brimstone Horrors on the pictures earlier in this thread says 'each Brimstone Horror consists of a pair of Horrors that share a base'.
So, for the common unit of 11 Pink Horrors, you need the original 11 Pinks, 22 Blues for when they Split and 44 individual Brimstone models for when they Split Again.
That's a suggested 77 models just for a single base squad!
To put it another way, that's £144 per squad in your army!
Nice try GW. Nice try...
Blue horrors make a single base of a brimstone horror pair. So its 11 pink to 22 blue to 22 brimstone bases
True it's 22 Brimstone bases. However, according to GW's suggested modelling idea each 'Brimstone Horror' consists of one big base with two Horror models glued to it.
Hence, 44 Horror models to represent the 22 Brimstone bases.
Read the 'Designers Note' on the far left of this picture (once it's been rotated the right way up):
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Love how we're debating buying GW models so we can destroy them OURSELVES to use more GW models, well played GW well played
I did notice that the 'designers note' for Brimstone Horrors on the pictures earlier in this thread says 'each Brimstone Horror consists of a pair of Horrors that share a base'.
So, for the common unit of 11 Pink Horrors, you need the original 11 Pinks, 22 Blues for when they Split and 44 individual Brimstone models for when they Split Again.
That's a suggested 77 models just for a single base squad!
To put it another way, that's £144 per squad in your army!
Nice try GW. Nice try...
Blue horrors make a single base of a brimstone horror pair. So its 11 pink to 22 blue to 22 brimstone bases
True it's 22 Brimstone bases. However, according to GW's suggested modelling idea each 'Brimstone Horror' consists of one big base with two Horror models glued to it.
Hence, 44 Horror models to represent the 22 Brimstone bases.
Read the 'Designers Note' on the far left of this picture (once it's been rotated the right way up):
It's rather arbitrary to point out that that its 44 "models" when the official model isn't even two seperate models
Love how we're debating buying GW models so we can destroy them OURSELVES to use more GW models, well played GW well played
I did notice that the 'designers note' for Brimstone Horrors on the pictures earlier in this thread says 'each Brimstone Horror consists of a pair of Horrors that share a base'.
So, for the common unit of 11 Pink Horrors, you need the original 11 Pinks, 22 Blues for when they Split and 44 individual Brimstone models for when they Split Again.
That's a suggested 77 models just for a single base squad!
To put it another way, that's £144 per squad in your army!
Nice try GW. Nice try...
Blue horrors make a single base of a brimstone horror pair. So its 11 pink to 22 blue to 22 brimstone bases
True it's 22 Brimstone bases. However, according to GW's suggested modelling idea each 'Brimstone Horror' consists of one big base with two Horror models glued to it.
Hence, 44 Horror models to represent the 22 Brimstone bases.
Read the 'Designers Note' on the far left of this picture (once it's been rotated the right way up):
It's rather arbitrary to point out that that its 44 "models" when the official model isn't even two seperate models
Ah, my mistake. I didn't realise there was already an existing model for Brimstone Horrors.
I thought they were suggesting that until there's an official model, you should buy two boxes of Horrors, glue on 2 per base and end up with 10 Brimstones!
I just had a thought. How does the Split rule affect the viability of the PortalGlyph? Back in 6th ed, the PG was a go-to item for getting free troops and in early 7th it was used to spawn more WC. But recently it has all but vanished from army lists With the Split rule, you could create D6 Pinks for the additional WC that the enemy will have to dedicate disproportionate resourced at removing since they would then create Blues and Brimstones
Or would the 30pts for the Exalted reward be better spent on a unit of Brimstones and skip the PG step entirely?
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Galef wrote: I just had a thought. How does the Split rule affect the viability of the PortalGlyph?
Back in 6th ed, the PG was a go-to item for getting free troops and in early 7th it was used to spawn more WC. But recently it has all but vanished from army lists
With the Split rule, you could create D6 Pinks for the additional WC that the enemy will have to dedicate disproportionate resourced at removing since they would then create Blues and Brimstones
Or would the 30pts for the Exalted reward be better spent on a unit of Brimstones and skip the PG step entirely?
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That's... actually a good point. If I already have the grimore, I'd rather take the PG than some other rewards.
Galef wrote: I just had a thought. How does the Split rule affect the viability of the PortalGlyph?
Back in 6th ed, the PG was a go-to item for getting free troops and in early 7th it was used to spawn more WC. But recently it has all but vanished from army lists
With the Split rule, you could create D6 Pinks for the additional WC that the enemy will have to dedicate disproportionate resourced at removing since they would then create Blues and Brimstones
Or would the 30pts for the Exalted reward be better spent on a unit of Brimstones and skip the PG step entirely?
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That's... actually a good point. If I already have the grimore, I'd rather take the PG than some other rewards.
It also makes Aetaos'rau'keres' ability to generate extra Pink Horrors a bit less of an afterthought than it was. Pity you still can't use him in games under 4,000pts.
Thought of another tactic: Horror bubble wrap for enemy Deathstars
Basically you intentionally move a unit of Pinks in the way of an advancing Deathstar, forming a line about 6-12" away from the Deathstar, with no other units as close. Most Deathstars will not be able to move around/over them and will therefore want to charge. Most stars will also have the ability to wipe the unit on the charge (thus skipping the Instability check) and 20+ Blues appear as soon as the unit is wiped. Place these as close to the star and as wide as you can, so that it limits them from spreading out with a consolidate move. In your turn, move and run to create a complete circle around the star. Now the star cannot move further and will have to charge the Blues, potentially seeing a repeat of what just happened, although with more models it is more likely a few Blues survive to take an Instability check, but who cares? You just tied up a Deathstar with like 90pts for 2 turns
Even if the Star doesn't assault the Blues and your opponent just shoots them instead, you have made the star useless for a turn.
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Galef wrote: Thought of another tactic:
Horror bubble wrap for enemy Deathstars
Basically you intentionally move a unit of Pinks in the way of an advancing Deathstar, forming a line about 6-12" away from the Deathstar, with no other units as close.
Most Deathstars will not be able to move around/over them and will therefore want to charge. Most stars will also have the ability to wipe the unit on the charge (thus skipping the Instability check) and 20+ Blues appear as soon as the unit is wiped. Place these as close to the star and as wide as you can, so that it limits them from spreading out with a consolidate move. In your turn, move and run to create a complete circle around the star.
Now the star cannot move further and will have to charge the Blues, potentially seeing a repeat of what just happened, although with more models it is more likely a few Blues survive to take an Instability check, but who cares? You just tied up a Deathstar with like 90pts for 2 turns
Even if the Star doesn't assault the Blues and your opponent just shoots them instead, you have made the star useless for a turn.
"Basically you intentionally move a unit of Pinks in the way of an advancing Deathstar, forming a line about 6-12" away from the Deathstar, with no other units as close.
Most Deathstars will not be able to move around/over them and will therefore want to charge. Most stars will also have the ability to wipe the unit on the charge (thus skipping the Instability check) and 20+ Blues appear as soon as the unit is wiped. Place these as close to the star and as wide as you can, so that it limits them from spreading out with a consolidate move. In your turn, move and....."
.... put the grimoire on the blue horrors then beam a pink horror unit with the "double split" icon herald and lets say kill 7 pink horrors and at the end of the phase attach 28 (4x7) blue horrors to the primary blue horror unit. Then cast cursed earth and summon sun extra horrors and your blue horror blob with 2+ inv save can take that deathstar and keep it their forever. you just move 'split icon herald' to another unit of pink horrors and beam them again. even think 'hit and run' would be hard, because it's not easy getting out of close combat with 45+ horrors.
Galef wrote: Thought of another tactic:
Horror bubble wrap for enemy Deathstars
Basically you intentionally move a unit of Pinks in the way of an advancing Deathstar, forming a line about 6-12" away from the Deathstar, with no other units as close.
Most Deathstars will not be able to move around/over them and will therefore want to charge. Most stars will also have the ability to wipe the unit on the charge (thus skipping the Instability check) and 20+ Blues appear as soon as the unit is wiped. Place these as close to the star and as wide as you can, so that it limits them from spreading out with a consolidate move. In your turn, move and run to create a complete circle around the star.
Now the star cannot move further and will have to charge the Blues, potentially seeing a repeat of what just happened, although with more models it is more likely a few Blues survive to take an Instability check, but who cares? You just tied up a Deathstar with like 90pts for 2 turns
Even if the Star doesn't assault the Blues and your opponent just shoots them instead, you have made the star useless for a turn.
Bonus points: Use them in a Wrath of Magnus list along with some Thousand Sons. Use the astral grimoire on them for 12" move and to assure your encirclement one turn eariler. Also, play them in a panaemoniad to get your 4++ save and use cursed earth to get 3++. Bring your finest tearcup.
Well, you actually don't want them to be tough to kill against a Deathstar. Even buffed up, they will take casualties and lose combat, thereby risking an Instability that might wipe the unit. You essentially want the Deathstar to kill every last Pink so that a new unit of Blues is created that can circle around the Star.
Galef wrote: Well, you actually don't want them to be tough to kill against a Deathstar. Even buffed up, they will take casualties and lose combat, thereby risking an Instability that might wipe the unit. You essentially want the Deathstar to kill every last Pink so that a new unit of Blues is created that can circle around the Star.
Only if you roll double one and even that can be fixed with fateweaver reroll.
. Unless i'm missing something can you not pick a point i dunno though your own unit of horrors (or strategic parts of the unit) for complete shenigans... creating new units for next turn 
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