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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/05 13:27:48
Subject: [1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hi all,
Thousand Sons have pulled me back to the hobby since I last played in 5th so I would appreciate pointers from the veterans here. For me Thousand Sons need to include Magnus, his ability to spam powers with ease and flood the board with spawn is just too good to pass up. I'm also a fluff fan so whilst not competitive, need to include some TS models in there:
List 1
Rehati Formation
Magnus
Daemon Prince, Wings, ML3, Armour, VotLW, Spell familiar
2 x Exhalted Sorcerors, disc, ML3 Spell Familar
CAD
Sorceror ML1, MoT
2 x 5 Rubric Marines
2 x Chaos Spawn, MoT (to run with disc sorcerors)
(2 pts spare)
Plan is to have the DP and Sorcerers follow Magnus around the board. If I can get Siphon Magic off on Magnus and the other casters manifesting on 3+ I should be able to do some real damage with big M.
List 2
Sekhmet Conclave
3 x 5 SO Terminators with cannon and missiles
Magnus
CAD
Herald of Tzeentch ML2
2 x 12 Pink Horrors
(24 pts left)
Low model count I know but with T5 Terminators and T8 Magnus (Immune to bolters) make this list really resilient.
Would welcome any C&C please
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2016/12/05 14:52:36
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/05 14:51:00
Subject: [1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Prince's come with a 5++ from daemon so don't need a dark aura.
.the list's are so small. Wow.
Magnus is really going to have to pull his weight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/05 14:54:09
Subject: Re:[1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thanks for pointing that out, swapped dark aura for armour.
Yeah the lists are small but that's TS for you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/05 16:42:11
Subject: [1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Unrelenting Rubric Terminator of Tzeentch
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Pretty much has to be list 2 I think, list one doesn't have the WC to power magnus and a prince and a pair of exalteds, even with siphon.
For list 2, trim a horror and stick Paradox on your herald and throw 5 dice at summoning to make more guys every turn with no chance of failing, then shunt the remaining dice into Magnus while your terminators go and bully some soft targets.
Either way, I don't think you're going to be able to deal with any serious lists, but you might give some armies a run. Trying to put Thousand Sons on the board and not get blown off the table is always going to be a challenge, but cramming magnus in is going to push that even further, especially when everyone has been dealing with multiple wraithknights for so long already that a single T7 multiwound 12" move MC that doesn't even come stock with fnp or stomp is going to be laughably easy to deal with.
If one of your scarab occult manages to get shrouding though, Magnus would be quite the pain to remove, though once you make him jink, unless he's about to charge someone, you've effectively eliminated him for a turn anyway since he can't really cst anything if he jinks as virtually all the Tz powers are some version of witchfire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/05 20:35:06
Subject: Re:[1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thanks for the feedback Drasius, appreciate it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/05 22:15:38
Subject: [1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Why are the terms T5?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/05 22:46:22
Subject: [1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Formation bonus of the sekhmet conclave boosts toughness by 1, if near 2 other units.
T8 Magnus is pretty cool
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/08 07:49:33
Subject: [1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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List 2 would be interesting... But I still dont think it can hang.
That being said this is how I would run it.
List 2
Sekhmet Conclave
3 x 5 SO Terminators with cannon and missiles
Magnus
CAD
Herald of Tzeentch ML3 W/paradox and Portalglyph
5x 10 Brimestone Horrors
This gives you 19WC and 67 Models. With Horrors no longer being able to summon I feel the Brimestones are a very good option. 30pts for 1WC is hard to beat. Magnus is still needs to pull a lot of weight in this list though... But hide the herald and chuck out the portal and start summoning on 5 dice. After that cast force on Magnus to give him a 3++ and with him flying any shots at him are a waste for your opponent, which is good for you. The T8 really isn't a big deal due almost every army has a way to deal with Toughness. That in the end will leaves you with 13 dice to cast 4 more spells from Magnus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/08 16:19:01
Subject: Re:[1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Fresh-Faced New User
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@Who Very valid points though I think Blue Horrors may just pip Brimstones to the punch. 60 points nets you 12 blues at ML2 and as soon as they get shot, they'll become ML1 but create an ML1 Brimstone unit in its stead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/08 16:21:52
Subject: Re:[1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Netherlands
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Dufff7 wrote:@Who Very valid points though I think Blue Horrors may just pip Brimstones to the punch. 60 points nets you 12 blues at ML2 and as soon as they get shot, they'll become ML1 but create an ML1 Brimstone unit in its stead.
And 55 pts net you 11 blues that do exactly the same thing  stay cheap, brother.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/09 10:17:49
Subject: Re:[1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Alright then, revised list with suggestions taken on board:
Sekhmet Conclave
3 x 5 SO Terminators with cannon and missiles
Magnus
CAD
Herald of Tzeentch ML3, Paradox
3 x 11 Blue Horrors
(25 pts left to spend on gifts)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/09 11:58:55
Subject: Re:[1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Netherlands
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Dufff7 wrote:Alright then, revised list with suggestions taken on board:
Sekhmet Conclave
3 x 5 SO Terminators with cannon and missiles
Magnus
CAD
Herald of Tzeentch ML3, Paradox
3 x 11 Blue Horrors
(25 pts left to spend on gifts)
Each unit of scarabs with missiles and cannon is only 10 pts cheaper than a Daemon Prince, MoT, ML3 with spell familiar, power armor and wings. A DP has more mastery levels, packs a more serious punch, is faster and can fly to increase survivability. And it can give you the Rahati asnd cast on a 3+ with spell familiars as backup. Plus a DP + Empyric shield spell from Ectomancy activate god mode for the DP (2++ rerollable). Just a thought. Those scarab termies are seriously beautiful though.
Also, I wouldn't take a paradox and I would not bother with summoning at all. You have 20 warp charges in your list and a model with 2 str D attacks, a mind control spell, two high strength beams with ap1 etc etc etc. Why would you waste 5 of your precious charges just to make a unit that will give you back the charges you spent over a span of 5 turns? 40k is a 3 turn game nowdays. If you can't kill them in 3 turns they WILL kill you in 3 turns. I think all out mind bullets is the way to go with Magnus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/09 13:21:01
Subject: Re:[1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Each unit of scarabs with missiles and cannon is only 10 pts cheaper than a Daemon Prince, MoT, ML3 with spell familiar, power armor and wings. A DP has more mastery levels, packs a more serious punch, is faster and can fly to increase survivability.
I get you, and my first list in my initial post did start out as triple DP but Thousand sons brought me back to this so I need to include a few of the new models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/09 15:11:44
Subject: Re:[1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Unrelenting Rubric Terminator of Tzeentch
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topaxygouroun i wrote:Also, I wouldn't take a paradox and I would not bother with summoning at all. You have 20 warp charges in your list and a model with 2 str D attacks, a mind control spell, two high strength beams with ap1 etc etc etc. Why would you waste 5 of your precious charges just to make a unit that will give you back the charges you spent over a span of 5 turns? 40k is a 3 turn game nowdays. If you can't kill them in 3 turns they WILL kill you in 3 turns. I think all out mind bullets is the way to go with Magnus.
Because you're not summoning horrors, you're summoning daemonettes, bloodcrushers and screamers. The ability of bloodcrushers to draw the fire of everything on the board when they suddenly pop out of nowhere is unlike anything else I've ever seen, and with the general lack of str8+ guns around compared to the proliferation of str6/7 volume of fire weapons it means that their 3 wounds soak more fire than people are used to. the ability to summon screamers and then turbo onto an objective late game is invaluable and their ability to jink with no downside as well as having ap2 armoubane attacks available and hitting things they turbo over is just icing on the cake. Daemonettes with their volume of rending attacks can cover in small amounts for the lack of AP2 shooting that the sons have as well, though you're going to need more than 10 if you need to do more than bully a small squad. Just like crushers though, 'nettes have an amazing ability to draw fire out of all proportion with the dmage that they can inflict. the assurance of a summon on 5 dice is very hard to pass up, especially in a low model count army like this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/09 15:42:54
Subject: [1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Frenzied Juggernaut
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I like how fluffy the low model count is. I cant wait to fight armies like this. Though, I do see that terms will be suffering from grav overloading and plasma saturation.
Centurion stars are still a thing, and so are skyhammers. So be carefull not to get caught out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/09 16:17:59
Subject: [1860] - Thousand Sons - 2 lists using formations
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Netherlands
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xSoulgrinderx wrote:I like how fluffy the low model count is. I cant wait to fight armies like this. Though, I do see that terms will be suffering from grav overloading and plasma saturation.
Centurion stars are still a thing, and so are skyhammers. So be carefull not to get caught out.
Magnus will make a short work of centurions. Fly to their side, beam them twice. If need be, also use infernal gateway. On the other hand, centurions will also make short work of termies and Magnus if they get to fire first. As will skyhammer. Maybe it's worth it to reserve both magnus and the termies/daemon princes if you go against such lists. Gravs are useless against your horrors, and with the splitting ability and potential 4++ I really doubt a grav heavy list can kill the horrors before the big guys arrive.
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