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mercury14 wrote:
I don't have a DE unit that can take a relic in the army.

The theme and strength of this list is that everything can hurt every kind of unit. So Kabalites with blaster and HWG Sybarite in a Venom hurts everything. I've got no qualms about moving their Venom close to a Knight for the blaster and thrown grenade. I'll even assault the Kabalites into a hurt knight to finish it off. And against battle company I need all the anti-armor I can get.

The Reavers are the same way, they're anti-armor and anti-infantry, even anti-MC.

The Troupes and Skyweavers hurt anything, as can Voidweavers.

Even the Sslyth can break a Rhino.

Sslyth break rhinos all the time. hehehe.

What do you all think so far of the rumors bubbling up about the coming changes to Eldar and how it might impact us? I'm really hoping that we don't get amalgamated in with the Craftworlds. I like the lore around us and how we have no true allegiances.

I also hope we get a Vect figure soon with the Eldar Triumvirate that they've been teasing.

 Gamerely wrote:
What do you all think so far of the rumors bubbling up about the coming changes to Eldar and how it might impact us? I'm really hoping that we don't get amalgamated in with the Craftworlds. I like the lore around us and how we have no true allegiances.

I also hope we get a Vect figure soon with the Eldar Triumvirate that they've been teasing.

Who can really know. I honestly do not like this new direction they just went in with Gathering Storm. I think it is essentially taking the whole story really and kind of stabbing it. The various groups and their STRUCTURAL organizations are so different and indoctrination such a big part of each Imperial Groups thinking that it is not surprising that the Xeno Hunters were historcally the only "kind of" coalition of Chapters. Similarly, the Witch Hunters Codex kind of brought the idela of the Inquisitor to life and made sense of it without tipping over the cart and just spilling everything onto the ground, and whatever happens happens.

So with Craftworlds, I see the same "Chapter" like thinking with less division and you probably will see some amalgamation. I mean if they were willing to do it with Imperials who are nothing BUT elitest and filled with a superiority complex the size of Cadia, it makes sense that an Eldar race that has so much more in common and bonding them that there would be some definite amalgamation.

I pine for th days though when there were no Triple Imperial Knight armies trucking alongside three Riptides like it made sense. It just doesn't. If they want us to like the fluff and buy into that then they have kind of messed up with Gathering Storm and we'll see what kind of monstrosities it creates. Early reports are scary.

I pine for th days though when there were no Triple Imperial Knight armies trucking alongside three Riptides like it made sense. It just doesn't. If they want us to like the fluff and buy into that then they have kind of messed up with Gathering Storm and we'll see what kind of monstrosities it creates. Early reports are scary.

Amen. Allies are sort of interesting, but I really do miss having to work within one book. All these supplements and stuff have really diluted the game, in my opinion. The less powerful factions, like DE, suffer the most since you can just paste in powerful segments of other armies to make up for your deficiencies without batting an eye. I really hope the Gathering Storm deal isn't as vanillafying as it seems, but based on how the Imperial Agents codex essentially completed the trend of moving towards imperium armies all being part of one giant mish-mash of units, things aren't looking good.

The current system is bad, and players make it worse by limiting repeat formations etc. It benefits armies of the imperium which have a wide range of detachments and formations to create redundancy. Other faction s which have one or two books can't bring the variety of bonus rules from formations to the same extent.

blaktoof wrote:
The current system is bad, and players make it worse by limiting repeat formations etc. It benefits armies of the imperium which have a wide range of detachments and formations to create redundancy. Other faction s which have one or two books can't bring the variety of bonus rules from formations to the same extent.

i don't know how much I agree there. Formation limits are keeping a lid on the insanity. This new book actually kindsa breaks that balance a bit. not sure if its badly or just on the surface yet. We WILL see however..

 Gamerely wrote:
What do you all think so far of the rumors bubbling up about the coming changes to Eldar and how it might impact us? I'm really hoping that we don't get amalgamated in with the Craftworlds. I like the lore around us and how we have no true allegiances.

I also hope we get a Vect figure soon with the Eldar Triumvirate that they've been teasing.

Eldar #oldnameules will get a buff DE will get nothing.

 Gamerely wrote:
What do you all think so far of the rumors bubbling up about the coming changes to Eldar and how it might impact us? I'm really hoping that we don't get amalgamated in with the Craftworlds. I like the lore around us and how we have no true allegiances.

I also hope we get a Vect figure soon with the Eldar Triumvirate that they've been teasing.

There have been no rumours regarding rules for the next part of the Gathering Storm so at this point no one knows, and idiotic doom mongers are best ignored.

I am hoping that they don't balance out the Dark Eldar by giving us easy access to craftworlders.

I play Dark Eldar because I love the Dark Eldar far more than any other army, not because I love all the eldar.

If they did buff Dark Eldar, what do you guys think we need? In the way of formations? updates? new units?

I actually love our codex the most out of any codex I've had so far. Everything seems to fit perfectly thematically and every tool has a place. I would absolutely LOVE if our warriors added a rule called "lightning raider" or something like that. Something that allowed them to fire at full BS if the raider moves a full 12 inches. That would be a great buff and would make a lot of sense lore wise. It would give our boats a little more utility too.

Certainly. I am not looking forwards towards to the update, I really like the way the codex is layed out, I wish reavers still could run people over, and I wish there was still the barron and a few more options, but I don't want them to change something I already really love and am good at (and enjoy) playing.

 gummyofallbears wrote:
I am hoping that they don't balance out the Dark Eldar by giving us easy access to craftworlders.

I play Dark Eldar because I love the Dark Eldar far more than any other army, not because I love all the eldar.

If they did buff Dark Eldar, what do you guys think we need? In the way of formations? updates? new units?

The low hanging fruit is the need to upgrade Wych's. At STR 3, they just need another attack and if that doesnt do it, make them cheaper. But as Kroot prove, cheaper doesnt get you into a list in any significant capacity. So the extra attack is probably the better way to go.

Other low hanging fruit I suppose is their terror mechanics need to be very good. Harlequins kinda stole their thunder, but not all of it. The fear and terror the Dark Eldar create should be featured prominently. The launcher you can get for the vehicle would be a start.

I think they needed to have acharacter that goes well with Beast Packs. A Beastmaster savant type of character who can get their LD to 9 and who can give them something special. For example a special BeastMaster who gives his unit the ability to benefit from Power From Pain while he lives or a frenzy ability that for one round they double their attacks, but then can only move 6" in the subsequent movement phase. Just something to madden them and unleash their bestial (if unimpressive AP) fury. Riptide Wings can do it in shooting. Why not a Beastpack?

Give Grotesques back STR 6. Otherwise they are already perfect. No way is that model JUST STR 5

Incubi are AP 2 for the army and are important. I think those actually are pretty good at the moment.

Voidraven could use a small points reduction to make it more attractive to people. I wont stop using it but a points reduction there seems an obvious move. Im not complaining Im njust saying.

Blood Brides need their own nyche. They are essentially everything you'd want a wyche to be in a lot of ways. They kind of seem out of place to me. I almost see them more as an HQ choice for a character to accompany Lelith or something.

Court of the Archon? Big fan. Little unwieldy with the different models adding different rules to the mix but then...thats 40K now. I like what they are. Still think they should have to have an archon along.

Vect. Duh.

So, I have another tactica question.

We have basically covered most of the units in the Dark Eldar codex, bar a few that don't need explaining (wyches, hellions... poor poor hellions, etc etc)

However, we haven't talked about forge world.

I specifically speak of the tantalus. The reaper is a tank hunting machine, so if you wanna fight tanks, take it.

But the tantalus is a very interesting vehicle (and a very very good looking one at that)

And because of its weird properties, how would you play it?

Is it good? bad? overpowered? niche?

Personally, it seems really good. Its huge, and really survivable (for DE), but its also just as fast as a raider (so moderately fast for DE). So instead of say using beastpacks or a dark artisan (that I will try out on Friday/Saturday.. and the Dark Artisan that I will try once I get a chronos)) I could clear some space and fit in a tantalus with a killy court of incubi or the such in there.

It rushes forwards with reavers, and grotesquerie, maybe cutting something in half on the way there. Turn two it delivers its payload into the enemy, throws 12 dissi shots at anything with a good save and drives over some unfortunate sap. Maybe just put a lhamian in there so it doesn't take up a Force org (or if we ever get a decurion, you can always take the tantalus).

Is it good??? Why doesn't anyone take it? Discuss!

Forge World. Blech.

 Imateria wrote:

 Gamerely wrote:
What do you all think so far of the rumors bubbling up about the coming changes to Eldar and how it might impact us? I'm really hoping that we don't get amalgamated in with the Craftworlds. I like the lore around us and how we have no true allegiances.

I also hope we get a Vect figure soon with the Eldar Triumvirate that they've been teasing.

There have been no rumours regarding rules for the next part of the Gathering Storm so at this point no one knows, and idiotic doom mongers are best ignored.

Vect and/or lady malys would be nice.

Eventually for the love of god make more dark eldar characters including a new Drazhar.

Be careful what you say about those 'idiotic doom mongers'. Last time we had a series of events like this it was for Warhammer Fantasy (which i played a lot of). Then look what happened. I don't play Fantasy anymore for what it became. In my wildest worst nightmares for what could happen to Fantasy it was never that bad or ugly.

amen to that brother. Four armies in and the y screwed me.

 Jancoran wrote:


Court of the Archon? Big fan. Little unwieldy with the different models adding different rules to the mix but then...thats 40K now. I like what they are. Still think they should have to have an archon along

They should get a plastic kit, right now a court with 5-6 models costs something like 80 dollars.

 Blackie wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:


Court of the Archon? Big fan. Little unwieldy with the different models adding different rules to the mix but then...thats 40K now. I like what they are. Still think they should have to have an archon along

They should get a plastic kit, right now a court with 5-6 models costs something like 80 dollars.

if you buy GW models for it. Sure. I got my Sslyth stand ins for $3 apiece. Games too expensive to pay full price.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:


Court of the Archon? Big fan. Little unwieldy with the different models adding different rules to the mix but then...thats 40K now. I like what they are. Still think they should have to have an archon along

They should get a plastic kit, right now a court with 5-6 models costs something like 80 dollars.

if you buy GW models for it. Sure. I got my Sslyth stand ins for $3 apiece. Games too expensive to pay full price.

yeah, i made 6 grotesques and 5 talos with ogres and stormfiends, thanks to a site that sells bitz so i only got the pieces i needed. I payed 1/4 of the original models price but still they're 100% plastic GW with some green stuff. What did you use for sslyths? The lhamaean is quite easy, i use the succubus model but a converted wych should be perfect.

 gummyofallbears wrote:
I am hoping that they don't balance out the Dark Eldar by giving us easy access to craftworlders.

I play Dark Eldar because I love the Dark Eldar far more than any other army, not because I love all the eldar.

If they did buff Dark Eldar, what do you guys think we need? In the way of formations? updates? new units?

Thats already the case., It's not hard to take just about anything from Craftworld Eldar to go with Dark Eldar already.

Some Eldar Trimvirate stuff.

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/01/18/the-mysterious-man-in-red-is-well-gw-already-told-us-who-it-is/

A very interesting article, however I cannot get over the red armour, and the razorwing sitting perched on his shoulder.

Maybe it is yriels father, but I am actually hoping for a new character, or a new main Kabal (sorry black heart, only vect and the high ranking elites are interesting about you)

Another tactics question. What do you think about a Harlequinn Hero's path formation added in to a 2000 dark eldar army? I am really starting to fall in love with the harlequinns but I don't want an army (or an allied 'army'). It brings so psychic, a hard hitting horde bulcher, and a very good shooter and manipulator. Thoughts?

 Blackie wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:


Court of the Archon? Big fan. Little unwieldy with the different models adding different rules to the mix but then...thats 40K now. I like what they are. Still think they should have to have an archon along

They should get a plastic kit, right now a court with 5-6 models costs something like 80 dollars.

if you buy GW models for it. Sure. I got my Sslyth stand ins for $3 apiece. Games too expensive to pay full price.

yeah, i made 6 grotesques and 5 talos with ogres and stormfiends, thanks to a site that sells bitz so i only got the pieces i needed. I payed 1/4 of the original models price but still they're 100% plastic GW with some green stuff. What did you use for sslyths? The lhamaean is quite easy, i use the succubus model but a converted wych should be perfect.

The Bones Miniatures snakemen. They carry a couple nasty looking swords and they have "poisoned arrows". Hehehe. I play too many armies to pay that kinda cashish for them. Finecast is enough reason on its own. My Grotesques cheese me off constantly in how often and easily they break. No end of misery there.

 gummyofallbears wrote:
So, I have another tactica question.

We have basically covered most of the units in the Dark Eldar codex, bar a few that don't need explaining (wyches, hellions... poor poor hellions, etc etc)

However, we haven't talked about forge world.

I specifically speak of the tantalus. The reaper is a tank hunting machine, so if you wanna fight tanks, take it.

But the tantalus is a very interesting vehicle (and a very very good looking one at that)

And because of its weird properties, how would you play it?

Is it good? bad? overpowered? niche?

Personally, it seems really good. Its huge, and really survivable (for DE), but its also just as fast as a raider (so moderately fast for DE). So instead of say using beastpacks or a dark artisan (that I will try out on Friday/Saturday.. and the Dark Artisan that I will try once I get a chronos)) I could clear some space and fit in a tantalus with a killy court of incubi or the such in there.

It rushes forwards with reavers, and grotesquerie, maybe cutting something in half on the way there. Turn two it delivers its payload into the enemy, throws 12 dissi shots at anything with a good save and drives over some unfortunate sap. Maybe just put a lhamian in there so it doesn't take up a Force org (or if we ever get a decurion, you can always take the tantalus).

Is it good??? Why doesn't anyone take it? Discuss!

I use the Reaper frequently, it suffers a bit from one gun syndrome and being a bit high in points once you either add nightfields or flicker fields, I normally take one or the other not both. Park it in cover like Ravagers if you can. Does come with Aether Sails stock so no mobility problems.

The storm vortex projector can be frustrating when fired in beam mode as its a single shot and it does miss. However the amount of times i have taken a tank off in one shot is pretty high, thanks to the D3 haywire rolls. And the you also get the S7 hit which can hurt light armour.
It still has utility when there aren't tanks with either multiple MC's or hordes. As the beam causes instant death on a 5+, not great but atleast it's not totally wasted either.

In blast mode it's a shorter range but it's nice to have the large blast and at S5 AP4 you wounding hordes on 2+ or 3+. Personally I feel like I'm wasting it's potential when I fire like this as we have a shed load of poison which should be doing this job. Can also be used if someone has deployed there tanks in a parking lot, as this has a single haywire hit as well.

Last thing to note is both fire modes have concussive, 90% of the time this means nothing because of our high I but can be useful to knock down the initiative of a unit if your having to charge through cover or to prevent a unit striking at the same time against us.

Definitely not a competitive choice, but I enjoy using it as can smash tanks even if other things do it better, cheaper and has a bit of utility in other areas aswell. Plus it looks great, such a shame FW haven't made more DE units, most likely a warping problem which the resin I guess.

But that's just my opinion.

Can't talk about the tantalus as I don't own one, maybe load it up with warriors for a mega gunboat? Or a big unit of Grots?

It actually seems pretty interesting.

I would consider grabbing one but I really hate the way the model looks, so I don't think I will.

Any tactica on how to play a dark artisan and grotesquerie based army?

I am gonna grab a wraithlord today to convert into a talos so any help on running the Dark Artisan would be appreciated.

I am thinking the haemi can stand out from with his 3+ FNP rerolling ones, my issue is reserves, as walking is too slow, and reserves are something I don't like doing.

 gummyofallbears wrote:
It actually seems pretty interesting.

I would consider grabbing one but I really hate the way the model looks, so I don't think I will.

Any tactica on how to play a dark artisan and grotesquerie based army?

I am gonna grab a wraithlord today to convert into a talos so any help on running the Dark Artisan would be appreciated.

I am thinking the haemi can stand out from with his 3+ FNP rerolling ones, my issue is reserves, as walking is too slow, and reserves are something I don't like doing.

You can't just throw em in raiders and scoot them across the whole board in one turn? Sorry i don't have the Covens book yet. Gotta add it to my long list of things to get. Hopefully tax return day (Christmas for adults) ends up being nice this year.

 gummyofallbears wrote:

Another tactics question. What do you think about a Harlequinn Hero's path formation added in to a 2000 dark eldar army? I am really starting to fall in love with the harlequinns but I don't want an army (or an allied 'army'). It brings so psychic, a hard hitting horde bulcher, and a very good shooter and manipulator. Thoughts?

I like the heroes Path a lot, but it's almost simply because I've fallen in love with the Solitaire. He is simply so threatening to people, unreasonably so that they'll develop their play around him. But to make sure you know he is not a horde butcher unless you pick up Cegorarch's Rose and even then is he isn't godly. Where the solitaire shines is when you throw him against elite monsters or units, and he'll maul them and tarpit them until he wants to Hit'n'run out. My Solitaire has killed Knights, Wraithknights, Daemon Princes and Hive Tyrants. A great addition to the Dark Eldar army.

The other two aren't as good, and only really work to their true potential when you build around them. Take the level 2 Shadowseer on Telepathy and pick up mask of secrets, and take the Haemonculus Coven Grotesquery, and a Dark Eldar Succubus with webway portal and armour of misery. Then when everything is in position throw all of your psychic dice into Psy-Shriek against a High priority target, at -2 from mask -2 from misery -1 from freakish spectacle. I've nuked a Wraithknight off the board in one shriek with this combo. The Jester will 3/5 games do nothing useful, just being a BS 5 shuri cannon, but 2/5 games he will make a critical unit flee in a direction of your choosing, i don't have to tell you how effective that can be. Take alongside Coven units for maximum efficiency.

Tl;Dr Take the Heroes Path alongside a Covenite formation (Grotesquery or Dark Artisan) to make best use of leadership shenanigans.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:
It actually seems pretty interesting.

I would consider grabbing one but I really hate the way the model looks, so I don't think I will.

Any tactica on how to play a dark artisan and grotesquerie based army?

I am gonna grab a wraithlord today to convert into a talos so any help on running the Dark Artisan would be appreciated.

I am thinking the haemi can stand out from with his 3+ FNP rerolling ones, my issue is reserves, as walking is too slow, and reserves are something I don't like doing.

You can't just throw em in raiders and scoot them across the whole board in one turn? Sorry i don't have the Covens book yet. Gotta add it to my long list of things to get. Hopefully tax return day (Christmas for adults) ends up being nice this year.

Dark Artisan is a Monstrous Creature formation, so no you can't put them in a Raider.

I run them either via webway portal or just charging up the board. (Usually in the latter case backed up by a Corpsethief Claw so they can take advantage of the DA haemy being the Warlord.)

All very good input!

I played a game today against Raven Guard.

It was a complete slaughter. I'm not sure if it was his terrible playing, or my amazing playing.

He was running a very typical RG list. The main scary thing was the Shadow Strike Kill team.

Pivotally, he decided to go second. He knew that I would castle up and bubble wrap if he went first, so he decided to either make me waste a turn or expose myself. However, I was able to pick off his scout squads turn one (they were so close due to scout +infiltrate) so his vanguard vets didn't have a set landing. One spent a few turns in reserves, and the other DH, but the way I was set up was that the VV could only get at most a venom before fighting my entire army.

He had quite a bit of board control by turn 2, but not much to bear against my army but bolters (still quite good against DE). Groestquerie did work. They killed an incredible amount of OBSEC tac marines, and the t6 paired with 6+ armour made his grav and bolters quite ineffective.

He was a very nice opponent, and a very good tactician (I've played against his Eldar numerous times) but I am still not sure why he didn't take first turn.

He will next time