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Just a fluff question regarding the Land Raider.

I know it's not immune to haywire which probably means a Land Raider isn't perfectly shielded against EM attack but would it have enough to still perform after an upper atmosphere EMP?

By perform, I mean drive around -- even if its external weapons are knocked offline, if it's still mobile it can fall back to friendly territory and be repaired.


   
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Yeah why not? Dark Eldar Haywire Blasters are S4 Ap4 when fired against infantry targets.

So, they're essentially an EMP blast that's powerful enough to scramble a person's nerves impulses. So strong that it's more dangerous to people than a standard assault rilfe nowadays (equivalent to an S3 Autogun).

Would fit that Land Raiders are EMP shielded given that they van take up to 4 hits from that weapon before being crippled. Should be at the very least partially functional after a low atmosphere EMP blast

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In the fluff it's surely yes.

I'd expect most/all Imperial vehicles would be either resistant enough (marines, AdMech, other finery) or simple enough (IG, civilian) that an EMP won't totally knock them out. Imperial computers are based on organic circuits, often real brains, so unless the EMP fries actual brain tissue it won't kill the Machine Spirit of a vehicle.

   
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I would say a raider should be resistant to normal EMP attacks sure.

But it's really plot dependent. Maybe the machine spirit goes crazy?

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Captyn_Bob wrote:
I would say a raider should be resistant to normal EMP attacks sure.

But it's really plot dependent. Maybe the machine spirit goes crazy?


Or, more worryingly, maybe it goes sane...

Suddenly having a senile Land Raider regain its lucidity and remember why the Men of Iron started their genocidal rampage would not be a good thing to happen

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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Captyn_Bob wrote:
I would say a raider should be resistant to normal EMP attacks sure.

But it's really plot dependent. Maybe the machine spirit goes crazy?


Or, more worryingly, maybe it goes sane...

Suddenly having a senile Land Raider regain its lucidity and remember why the Men of Iron started their genocidal rampage would not be a good thing to happen

I picture a Land Raider stopping mid battle to debate whether or not to kill all humans.

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pm713 wrote:
 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Captyn_Bob wrote:
I would say a raider should be resistant to normal EMP attacks sure.

But it's really plot dependent. Maybe the machine spirit goes crazy?


Or, more worryingly, maybe it goes sane...

Suddenly having a senile Land Raider regain its lucidity and remember why the Men of Iron started their genocidal rampage would not be a good thing to happen

I picture a Land Raider stopping mid battle to debate whether or not to kill all humans.


Haha! Perfect

Now I'm just thinking that the Flight of the Conchords song is about the first days of the Men of Iron:

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 Verviedi wrote:
The Three Laws of Robotics, Imperium. Maybe you've heard of them?

I'm pretty sure that whoever created the Men of Iron never read Asimov...

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I imagine that a modern day EMP, which is caused by detonating a nuclear weapon above the ionosphere, is much much weaker than say... an Arc Rifle or other Haywire weapon.

Millitary deviced are shielded/hardened against EMP which in the case of a Nuke version is a very wide spread and thinly spread energy blast causing a lot of the energy to be spread out, only frying civilian equipment.

A Haywire weapon on the other hand would be a concentrated blast of EMP that could have thousands, if not more, times the amount of electromagnetic energy concentrated into the weapons discharge that would fry even the most hardened and shielded device.

Only things as giant as titans (like the warlord titan) can ignore them due to their sheer bulk which would block most of the energy or dissipate it in the miles of circuits and cause no damage.
A Land Raider is much smaller than a Warlord so it cannot hold against the concentrated electromagnetic energy from a haywire weapon. A Land Raider might be able to ignore a Modern EMP strike due to its shielding, but that's it.

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 Verviedi wrote:
The Three Laws of Robotics, Imperium. Maybe you've heard of them?


Nope, the Imperium went with that other Asimov storyline - Foundation - instead.
The three laws weren't something they considered, which is why they had the whole men-of-iron thing happen.

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 chromedog wrote:
 Verviedi wrote:
The Three Laws of Robotics, Imperium. Maybe you've heard of them?


Nope, the Imperium went with that other Asimov storyline - Foundation - instead.
The three laws weren't something they considered, which is why they had the whole men-of-iron thing happen.


and if you actually read iRobot you realise the whole book is about how the 3 laws continually lead to unexpected AI existential crises. The film rather neatly (if crudely) captures a Men of Iron scenario.

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 Flinty wrote:
 chromedog wrote:
 Verviedi wrote:
The Three Laws of Robotics, Imperium. Maybe you've heard of them?


Nope, the Imperium went with that other Asimov storyline - Foundation - instead.
The three laws weren't something they considered, which is why they had the whole men-of-iron thing happen.


and if you actually read iRobot you realise the whole book is about how the 3 laws continually lead to unexpected AI existential crises. The film rather neatly (if crudely) captures a Men of Iron scenario.


Was just thinking that myself...

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I red the robot series back in primary school (35+ years ago).
They made a movie?

Foundation WAS one of the inspirations used in the creations of the imperium for both 40k (rogue trader) and its predecessor games that those writers worked on (Laserburn was ONE of them, there were others) - alongside the 2000AD stuff, and everything else they "homaged" along the way. It told the story of an empire ruled by a single city-world.

I, Robot, wasn't one of the inspirations. Just not grimdark or ludicrous enough.

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