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It was...special. Between them using an Altar of War Mission, having Grey Hunters charge from Rhinos, Magnus getting one-shotted by Helfrost and the 1k Sons being tabled by Turn 3...

...do we have a more insightful look into how the GW design team thinks? Or is this just a hilarious mess overall?

Sounds fluffy at least.

Haven't seen it. But it sounds messy.
TS tabled in round 3. Who were the players.
Absolute beginners or what?

Didn't see all of it, but I think the TSons list looked something like: two 10-man rubrics, ahriman, scarab occult and magnus at 1850. Not sure how many scarabs or if he had some more exalted sorcerers around.

GW doesn't follow their own rules, why should I? LOL

GW has game designers but they have no players. They actually never had.
They should have at least two or three.

Can someone explain how Magnus was 1 shot with 7 wounds?

 Marmatag wrote:
Can someone explain how Magnus was 1 shot with 7 wounds?

No, they can't.

Martel732 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
Can someone explain how Magnus was 1 shot with 7 wounds?

No, they can't.

After some research, it looks like the Helfrost Destructor is a STR8 AP1 weapon with some special rules that can result in a 1-shot if a strength test is failed.

It would be nice if someone could walk me through this combat... I'm very unclear on what happened.

Evidently they were rocking 3rd ed rules with that Rhino rush.

Martel732 wrote:
Evidently they were rocking 3rd ed rules with that Rhino rush.

...So, you think they accept applications for people to play against them?

 Marmatag wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
Can someone explain how Magnus was 1 shot with 7 wounds?

No, they can't.

After some research, it looks like the Helfrost Destructor is a STR8 AP1 weapon with some special rules that can result in a 1-shot if a strength test is failed.

It would be nice if someone could walk me through this combat... I'm very unclear on what happened.

Not sure about the rest, but all Helfrost weapons have a rule where if you suffer a wound, you have to pass a Strength test or be removed from play. Hence why Magnus not being a GMC is fething stupid.

I wanted to say something in the chat, but you need to pay for a subscription so meh lol

Drop pod storm bolter did one wound then hell frost cannon on stormwolf did another wound, Hell frost rule is if suffer wound take strength test and if fail removed from play. Magnus rolled a 6 on the strength test so failed and was removed from play.
Rhinos where destroyed and charges came from 2 dropnaughts with shield and axe blood claws from the stormwolf turn after it arrived and went into hover mode.
If did charge from rhino with grey hunters missed it as was painting while listening not really watching.

I disagree. Feth GMCs. We need fewer, not more.

The Tsons player was outnumbered at least 2-1 from what I saw with nothing at all to even put a dent in a vehicle besides magnus and the odd force stave.

 Roknar wrote:
The Tsons player was outnumbered at least 2-1 from what I saw with nothing at all to even put a dent in a vehicle besides magnus and the odd force stave.

So typical 1K sons problems?

Martel732 wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
The Tsons player was outnumbered at least 2-1 from what I saw with nothing at all to even put a dent in a vehicle besides magnus and the odd force stave.

So typical 1K sons problems?

I could be wrong, didn't see it all and the volume was way too low. My impression was that he rolled onmalefic for summoning and magnus didn't fire a single D spell. No heretech that I was aware of.
Was weird.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
Can someone explain how Magnus was 1 shot with 7 wounds?

No, they can't.

After some research, it looks like the Helfrost Destructor is a STR8 AP1 weapon with some special rules that can result in a 1-shot if a strength test is failed.

It would be nice if someone could walk me through this combat... I'm very unclear on what happened.

Not sure about the rest, but all Helfrost weapons have a rule where if you suffer a wound, you have to pass a Strength test or be removed from play. Hence why Magnus not being a GMC is fething stupid.

The odds of Magnus being removed from that str test are slim, and the Stormfang is pretty much the only thing that's gonna be able to hit him reliably (in that battle) right?

1/6 for the failed test mulitplied by 3/6 to hit would be 3/36 chance for an individual shot to kill Magnus like it did... I mean I've seen batreps where 3 6's in a row produced a Dreadknight dying to overwatch... unlucky stuff happens.

Seems this is more an issue with the Hellfrost mechanic vs GMC... Just make it deal 5 wounds. Kills like 99% of things... avoids this scenario. If it is of that much concern.

Does the Stormfang even have skyfire anymore?

Martel732 wrote:
Does the Stormfang even have skyfire anymore?

It's a flyer...

Most flyers lost skyfire in DFTS.

Martel732 wrote:
Most flyers lost skyfire in DFTS.

That's if you use DFTS.

Most people don't use DftS, including (it seems) GW (at least in this particular game).

 Marmatag wrote:
The odds of Magnus being removed from that str test are slim, and the Stormfang is pretty much the only thing that's gonna be able to hit him reliably (in that battle) right?

1/6 for the failed test mulitplied by 3/6 to hit would be 3/36 chance for an individual shot to kill Magnus like it did... I mean I've seen batreps where 3 6's in a row produced a Dreadknight dying to overwatch... unlucky stuff happens.

Seems this is more an issue with the Hellfrost mechanic vs GMC... Just make it deal 5 wounds. Kills like 99% of things... avoids this scenario. If it is of that much concern.

If they assaulted out of it, it was probably a stormwolf, so twinlinked.

5/9 Hit, 2/3 Wound, 2/3 Failed Jink, 1/6 Failed Test. 20/486 or 10/283. That's pretty unlikely; No reason to nerf it.

They had a fun casual game. Gasps... HOW DARE THEY!!!! MY NECK BEARD IS OFFENDED!

MadMarkMagee 7113379082668 null wrote:They had a fun casual game. Gasps... HOW DARE THEY!!!! MY NECK BEARD IS OFFENDED!

Ironicaly thats GW problem, they don't play their game with cheese in mind and are way too casual when they do the little testing they do when writing rules.

if they had real players and testers, those would immidiatly point out the cheese and shenanigans and squash it from the game before its too late and it needs FaQ or erratas.

In an ITW they made at one podcast someone asked them about it, it was at the time of Wave serpent madness, and the guy from the design team just answered, "well in our opinion, we can't think of any reasons why someone would want 3 or more of the same units outside of troops", that was before all the formations and detachements madness...

Because they are casuals, so yeah for them One unit of X or Y thats a bit cheesy is not a real problem because there is onmy one of it, but they fail to see that people, when they see something strong and that works, they want dozens of it...

Now to be back on topic, that " auto fail on 6" Stat test as always bugged me, sure if the thing gets immunity its ridiculous, but if something is Str 6 or7 give him a reroll perhaps?

 pretre wrote:

2/3 Failed Jink

Jink is a 4+ not a 5+, besides Magnua would use his 4++ invul re-rolling 1s rather than his jink.

Did they have anything buffing him in the game? You said they rolled on malefic so if they got cursed earth off he has a 2++ re-rollable, even less chance of Magnus dying from Hellfrost.

...A real-time WH40k game streamed live on Twitch?

That is perhaps the most boring stream I can imagine.


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MadMarkMagee wrote:
They had a fun casual game. Gasps... HOW DARE THEY!!!! MY NECK BEARD IS OFFENDED!

I play fun, casual games.

The rules should not be playtested like that. Period. Serious flaws with the rules are missed and imbalanced combinations are never examined because the playtesters are not interested in seeing where the rules break down, only in having a fun game.

Playtesting is about improving the rules by figuring out where they don't work. You will not encounter situations like that in a casual setting where no one's trying to do anything absurd.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
Can someone explain how Magnus was 1 shot with 7 wounds?

No, they can't.

After some research, it looks like the Helfrost Destructor is a STR8 AP1 weapon with some special rules that can result in a 1-shot if a strength test is failed.

It would be nice if someone could walk me through this combat... I'm very unclear on what happened.

Not sure about the rest, but all Helfrost weapons have a rule where if you suffer a wound, you have to pass a Strength test or be removed from play. Hence why Magnus not being a GMC is fething stupid.

It's also a blast weapon that cant target flying creatures...which magnus would absolutely be flying vs a list that had helfrost weapons. lol.