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This is so painful to look at yet I cannot turn away. Car crash forum gold here.

James Earl Jones is rolling in his grave. Which is a feat considering he is still alive.

Yeah, this is popcorn worthy stuff.

 Mortarion, The Reaper wrote:



Finally, PROGRESS.
The entire point of this character is to give the Dark Eldar a fighting chance against a Primarch in 30K. The buff to his WS & I are negligible, as even with this, NOTHING CAN BE HIT IN 7TH EDITION CLOSE COMBAT ON BETTER THEN A 3+.

You want Dark Eldar to have a fighting chance against a Primarch? Use guns. Lots of guns, or do what I do and sacrifice units as speed bumps. You do not have to kill the Primarch to win.

'Ahem'

Bless you

Assuming he is in close combat, his only real defence is his 5+ Invuln and WS, primarily because almost every Praetor build that I play against uses a Paragon Blade and secondly because all the current Primarchs have AP2/1 melee weapons.

And that is because Primarchs are demigods.

With S5 he will struggle to deal any real damage to a Primarch, and with 5 Attacks chances are that he will struggle against tarpits and high-toughness models.

WHY are you trying to go toe-to-toe with a Primarch in melee? WHY?!

I agree with you on ditching the Psychic stuff, mainly as my friend most often uses Mortarion, rendering its advantages void at best.

And here we finally see the main issue: The character is built to counter an opponent.

In case you missed my previous post, his sword is now just a Two-handed Paragon Blade without Specialist Weapon. Adding to this is the fact that his wimpy 5+ Invulnerable Save only work when he is in close combat.

*just a two handed Paragon blade*. Look, here is your issue, you are trying to build a character to counter a model at what it does best. It will invariably not go well for you.

Long story short, a unique Dark Eldar character for 30k able to hold his own against a Primarch in a challenge. Takes up a Lord of War* slot and [in points] will probably cost a much as a Primarch himself.

Dont. Melee. Primarchs. Hell, almost all of the primarchs love to get into melee and if you are trying to out-melee them you will lose. Try just shooting the gak out of it for a turn or two, or even just ignoring it and focussing on the objectives instead.

Vect with his old rules equipped with the Dais could have faced a Primarch in melee on the tabletop and have a fair shot at it, IMO.

Fighting Primarchs in melee is inherently a bad idea. The only thing that should try that is ANOTHER Primarch. If you want that Primarch dead so badly then just shoot him

The only non primarch who even stands a chance id a few special captains etc.

Sigmoind, first captains or utterly elite CC marines.
There the most skilled close combatants, they are the best in there entire legions..

Even a skill level equal to that id pushing it, and sigmound is built to be real nasty in challenges.

 War Kitten wrote:
Fighting Primarchs in melee is inherently a bad idea. The only thing that should try that is ANOTHER Primarch. If you want that Primarch dead so badly then just shoot him

Primarch duels are a bad idea too as they will lock down each other, usually for the rest of the game.

A well equipped Lord of Change could take on a primarch.

You know what would be really useful for taking out a Primarch? A plasma annihilator from an Imperator class titan.

Just sayin'.

 mrhappyface wrote:
A well equipped Lord of Change could take on a primarch.

Greater deamon though. With a pretty high point cost fully speced to tackle a primarch.
Its not gonna be stock, youl need a few upgrades and maybe some support warp charges.

That's fair.

I'm just saying Primarchs are pretty nasty but there are standard, and rather common, models that will make a Primarch work hard for a win.

 Mortarion, The Reaper wrote:
...my friend most often uses Mortarion...

As highlighted by master of ordinance, we have struck the main issue with this proposal: You're trying to not only counter Primarchs in general, specifically Mortarion. As a concept, I am not entirely against this, but at the end of the day what we have a is a very powerful character which is probably too powerful and very obviously designed to be as such (not to mention designed to be a counter to a very select group of models). As others have said, you're better of tailoring your list to the fact that your opponent is bringing a Primarch rather than trying to create your own Mary Sue unit.

ok... i dont know much about 30k but i might as well contribute...

Here is what i think:

armour: 2+/4++/5+++
Fear at -1 LD
fearless
fleet
run d6"+d3" since he is DE
EW
combat drugs (take one at the beginning of every turn)
1: +1ws
2: +1s
3: +1t
4; +1I
5:+1bs
6: run d6"+3 instead of d3"
special rules:
always attacks first in challenges, once per game he can attack twice
he should have ap2 weapon and a poison pistol (2+)
stats ws 8 bs 6 s 6 t5 a 6 i 10 ld 10


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oh and dark eldar are not psychers...



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as for my homebrew guys my fav is a captain on bike:
I love all the legions and i dont know what legion he belongs in

stats: WS6 BS4 S5 T5 A4 I5 LD10
fearless
furious charge
bike
relics:
claws of twilight: S:- A:- specialist weapon, shred, rending and whirlwind

whirlwind: the bearer may forgo his attacks and place a small blast template over the model. friend or foe take 2 S:user ap3 hits

points: 200

i dont know if thats fair

Why the heck would any Eldar character who isn't a wraith construct be rocking Strength 6 and toughness 5?

The most physically impressive Eldar in terms of strength is Feugan and even he's only sitting on strength 5 and toughness 4. Even then, he technically doesn't count as an 'Eldar' in the traditional sense, either.

 Robin5t wrote:
Why the heck would any Eldar character who isn't a wraith construct be rocking Strength 6 and toughness 5?

The most physically impressive Eldar in terms of strength is Feugan and even he's only sitting on strength 5 and toughness 4. Even then, he technically doesn't count as an 'Eldar' in the traditional sense, either.

in my eyes the special armour he has makes him t5

So he has special snowflake armour that's significantly better than Phoenix Lord armour?

The very fact that this abomination is a psyker and a dark eldar ends any and all attempts at a non Mary Sue homebrew. Add in the fact you cannot even be bothered to come up with your own names and are content to just copy ones you think are cool. I hate being a nob, I really do. But I cannot fathom how you think this is a good idea on any level other than to just troll.

This is a psyker, a Dark Eldar, far too tough and strong, and has a daemon weapon.
It's anomalous, lock it in a box.

This thread was supposed to share our home brew characters lol.

Sure then.

Dark Angels HQ
Seneschal Corswain

WS6, BS4, S4, T4, I5, A4, W2, LD10, Sv2+

Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Bolt Pistol.
Master-crafted Terranic Greatsword.

Legiones Astartes (Dark Angels)
Master of the Legion
When fighting in a challenge, all of Corswain's To Wound rolls of 6 are resolved at AP2.

165 Points

Oh, really? Sure.

The Box (125 pts)
BS- F14 S14 R14 4HP (Vehicle, Character)

Weapons:
None.

Special Rules:
Containment Cell: The Box must be deployed on top of an enemy model of the Character type, ignoring all normal Deployment special rules. If the enemy character is in a unit, the unit must be redeployed to the outside of the box, and the character forced to detach from the unit. The Box may never move for any reason.

Containment Successful: Any enemy character inside The Box is treated as being locked in combat with the interior of The Box, and may not utilize any special rules that allow movement, shooting, or any method of escaping close combat. If The Box is destroyed, the character inside is released and may move, shoot, manifest warp charges, and fight in close combat as normal.

Null-Shielded: A psyker contained within The Box does not contribute Warp Charges to the player's pool in the psychic phase.

 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
Sure then.

Dark Angels HQ
Seneschal Corswain

WS6, BS4, S4, T4, I5, A4, W2, LD10, Sv2+

Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Bolt Pistol.
Master-crafted Terranic Greatsword.

Legiones Astartes (Dark Angels)
Master of the Legion
When fighting in a challenge, all of Corswain's To Wound rolls of 6 are resolved at AP2.

165 Points

There already was a Corswain in Dark Angels. Im not saying they dont share names, but you may cause confusion. Also, there is a gakky mace you lost in the new deathwing game.