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2016/12/19 18:35:42
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38369962
A gunman has shot dead Russia's ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, apparently in protest at Russia's involvement in the Syrian conflict.
Several other people were reportedly also injured in the attack, a day after protests in Turkey over Russian support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
The killer, said to be an off-duty Turkish policeman, opened fire at point blank range as Mr Karlov made a speech.
Police later "neutralised" the attacker, Turkish media say.
Mr Karlov was rushed to hospital, reports said, but his death was later confirmed by the Russian foreign ministry.
Latest reports from Ankara
What's happening in Aleppo?
Condemning the attack as an act of "terrorism", ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Turkey had given assurances that there would be a comprehensive investigation, and those responsible would be punished.
Speaking outside the hospital where Mr Karlov was taken, Ankara's Mayor, Melih Gokcek, said the killing was intended to ruin his country's relations with Russia.
The attack was swiftly condemned by other countries:
US state department spokesman John Kirby: "We condemn this act of violence, whatever its source. Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family"
UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson: "Shocked to hear of despicable murder of Russia's Ambassador to Turkey. My thoughts are with his family. I condemn this cowardly attack"
While there were protests in recent days about the situation in Aleppo, on a political level the Turkish and Russian governments have been co-operating in the ceasefire operation, the BBC's Turkey correspondent, Mark Lowen, reports.
Before the attack happened, a meeting of the Russian, Turkish and Iranian foreign ministers had been planned in Moscow for Tuesday.
But tonight it seems the political fight over Syria's future has spilled over into public hatred, our correspondent says.
Eight shots
According to Russian TV, the ambassador had been attending an exhibition called "Russia as seen by Turks".
Video of the event shows Mr Karlov making a speech when gunshots ring out. Eight bullets are said to have been fired.
Andrei KarlovImage copyrightAP
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Andrei Karlov was visiting a photo gallery in the Turkish capital
The gunman after the attack in AnkaraImage copyrightAP
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The attacker shouted about Aleppo and Syria
People crouch in the exhibition room after the shooting in Ankara, 19 DecemberImage copyrightBURHAN OZBILICI
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People crouched in the exhibition room after the shooting
Police secure the area in Ankara, 19 DecemberImage copyrightREUTERS
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Police secured the area after the shooting
The camera pulls back to show a smartly dressed gunman, wearing a suit and tie, waving a pistol and shouting.
He can be heard yelling "Don't forget about Aleppo, don't forget about Syria" and uses the Arabic phrase "Allahu Akbar" (God is great).
Andrei Karlov, 62, was a veteran diplomat who had served as Soviet ambassador to North Korea for much of the 1980s.
After the fall of the USSR in 1991, he had a posting as Russian ambassador to South Korea before returning to the North for five years in 2001.
Taking up the Ankara posting in July 2013, he had to grapple with a major diplomatic crisis last year when a Turkish plane shot down a Russian jet close to the Syrian border.
The two countries only recently mended ties after Moscow imposed damaging sanctions - notably a freeze on charter flights by Russian tourists - demanding a Turkish apology.
"The memory of this outstanding Russian diplomat, a man who did so much to counter terrorism... will remain in our hearts forever," Ms Zakharova said.
The video is online if any wish to see it, it is not pleasant as you'd expect.
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2016/12/19 23:53:03
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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That's not good.
I don,t see Russia Turkey relations thawing for a while. Maybe on surface but not at core.
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2016/12/20 00:26:36
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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This after Turkey just purged its military hierarchy ( IIRC they've done away with half the Generals). Other than a hissy fit from Moscow I doubt this will go anywhere, though you never know with Russia. They could pull a Franz Ferdinand. 
* Yeah, that was a WWI German reference instead of a WWII one this time. 
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2016/12/20 00:29:53
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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As I said in the US Politics thread on this, I hope this was nothing more than "just a terrorist". Because this is how wars start.
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2016/12/20 00:32:38
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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Russia will use this to force concessions.
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2016/12/20 01:22:32
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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Attacking an ambassador is slimy as all hell. Killing one deserves a violent response. If this guy is ISIS, Russia should escalate.
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2016/12/20 02:14:06
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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It is tragic, however as ambassador he was the most visible and easily accessible representation of the Russian state. With Russia's involvement in Syria these kinds of acts were eventually going to happen. Either it would have been because of Syria or some ethnic nationalists from the Caucasus would have eventually done something like this. Tragic, but it is the risk ambassadors have to carry, I'm just wondering why he would not have a security detail of his own present.
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2016/12/20 02:30:09
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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I think it's pretty scary how quick half of you are to leap to conclusions about war over this. At this point we have no clue if the shooter had any connections to any group.
Lone nutters with sympathies but no official connections have been very common lately. It is most practical to start with that assumption until evidence to the contrary is found.
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2016/12/20 03:43:23
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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 sebster wrote:I think it's pretty scary how quick half of you are to leap to conclusions about war over this.
I'm leaping to no conclusions at all, thank you very much. As I said, I hope it's just another terrorist.
And THAT should be the "pretty scary" part: that we treat these things as "just another terrorist" or a "lone nutter".
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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks |
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2016/12/20 04:33:36
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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Hopefully Russia will come to the natural conclusion that the actions of one man should not be a reason to hold an entire nation accountable.
Like any sane person would.
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2016/12/20 05:17:32
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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Turkey is not guilty for that
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2016/12/20 05:19:52
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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Obviously not.
No country with a remotely-sane leader would have a Russian ambassador assassinated.
Clearly this is just the actions of a lone individual, and Russia will hopefully take it as such.
...Sanity has not always prevailed, historically.
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2016/12/20 05:38:23
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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 Tannhauser42 wrote:I'm leaping to no conclusions at all, thank you very much. As I said, I hope it's just another terrorist.
I didn't mean you  Just the people who had said some pretty out there stuff.
And THAT should be the "pretty scary" part: that we treat these things as "just another terrorist" or a "lone nutter".
Political assassinations are pretty common. If anything they've been fairly uncommon for the last few decades, as the various communist fighting groups slowly realised how silly they were being. That doesn't make it okay of course, but it does give it some much needed perspective.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2016/12/20 06:48:22
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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 Pouncey wrote:
Obviously not.
No country with a remotely-sane leader would have a Russian ambassador assassinated.
Clearly this is just the actions of a lone individual, and Russia will hopefully take it as such.
...Sanity has not always prevailed, historically.
Luckily it wasn't someone more important. After all that's how WWI started. I think it's understandable that they'll at least find who is accountable and see if others are accountable and see they are dealt with.
Strange to attack an ambassador of all people though. Why attack a mediator? Certainly somebody more at fault for what russia does would be a better target than a messenger or mediator.
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2016/12/20 06:51:51
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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 flamingkillamajig wrote:I think it's understandable that they'll at least find who is accountable and see if others are accountable and see they are dealt with.
Yes, normal policework is completely understandable after a high-profile murder has been committed.
Ever feel like you're taking crazy pills?
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2016/12/20 07:05:12
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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flamingkillamajig wrote:Strange to attack an ambassador of all people though. Why attack a mediator? Certainly somebody more at fault for what russia does would be a better target than a messenger or mediator.
Most victims are simply who is most accessible. I guess if this policeman thought he could have killed someone higher up the food chain he might have.
Most terror attacks target ordinary civilians. This has at least targeted someone involved in government and foreign policy, even if it isn't in the sense of making the decisions.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2016/12/20 07:57:45
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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sebster wrote: flamingkillamajig wrote:Strange to attack an ambassador of all people though. Why attack a mediator? Certainly somebody more at fault for what russia does would be a better target than a messenger or mediator.
Most victims are simply who is most accessible. I guess if this policeman thought he could have killed someone higher up the food chain he might have.
Most terror attacks target ordinary civilians. This has at least targeted someone involved in government and foreign policy, even if it isn't in the sense of making the decisions.
This was a precision assassination of a RUSSIAN diplomat, plain and simple. Emphasis on RUSSIAN.
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2016/12/20 08:20:06
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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 BigWaaagh wrote:This was a precision assassination of a RUSSIAN diplomat, plain and simple. Emphasis on RUSSIAN.
Yeah, killing a Russian diplomat and screaming about Aleppo I think we all get the context.
flamingkillamajig commented on why kill an official who isn't playing an active role in Russia's operations in Syria, and he has a point. The point was that this guy was a diplomat, he wasn't part of Putin's foreign policy office, nor was he part of the military group currently operating in Syria.
My reply was the terrorism hits at whoever it can. This guy was likely the closest target this guy could hit. I mean, he could try flying to Moscow and seeing if he can get to Putin by flashing his Turkish police badge at the gates of the Kremlin, but I think we'd all consider that a long shot.
Compare and contrast with the bus attack in Germany. Those people weren't even part of government, but they were targets because that's who the attacker could get at.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2016/12/20 09:11:46
Subject: Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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I suspect this might be connected to the recent wave of assassinations of Chechen and other Jihadists by Russian (supposedly state sponsored) hitmen in Turkey.
A very high profile response if it is, I suspect an equally high Russian retort if so.
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2016/12/20 12:03:22
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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 thekingofkings wrote:Attacking an ambassador is slimy as all hell. Killing one deserves a violent response. If this guy is ISIS, Russia should escalate.
Sounds like he wasn't, but someone supporting the people trapped in Aleppo. If you were Russia what would you do (considering you're already murderizing the people in Aleppo). Murderize them more?
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2016/12/20 15:14:43
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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It said that the US Embassy in Ankara (which was attacked by a man with a shotgun) is very close to the gallery, where ambassador Karlov was killed. Maybe it's connected somehow? What the assaulter told?
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2016/12/20 16:46:21
Subject: Re:Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara
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 Frazzled wrote: thekingofkings wrote:Attacking an ambassador is slimy as all hell. Killing one deserves a violent response. If this guy is ISIS, Russia should escalate.
Sounds like he wasn't, but someone supporting the people trapped in Aleppo. If you were Russia what would you do (considering you're already murderizing the people in Aleppo). Murderize them more?
Hooking onto your point Frazz, not directed at you, the curious part of this thread to me is that we as the West don't want to go and deploy ground troops to fight IS anymore and even with multiple attacks we still refuse. Some of those same posters are now saying how Russia should totally go and kick their gak in over a single murder. Lets not forget that Russian actions already taken have most likely led to this assassination. More violence and the resulting war crimes certainly aren't going to prevent these kinds of actions from happening. This outrage over diplomatic status is just amusing to me, as the Russians themselves are engaging in war crimes in Syria. We should go to war over this single high profile murder because it violates so many laws! Meanwhile in Syria.. 
That is not to say this isn't tragic. But calling for more Russian action while knowing what Russian action entails is certainly a bit out there.
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 Freakazoitt wrote:It said that the US Embassy in Ankara (which was attacked by a man with a shotgun) is very close to the gallery, where ambassador Karlov was killed. Maybe it's connected somehow? What the assaulter told?
As far as the evidence goes that is available now it doesn't seem to be in any way involved with the U.S., but as Frazz said with the bombing of Aleppo.
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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2016/12/20 17:32:16
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Given the new US president, I wouldn't be surprised if this event comes up in the furture, over talks about expelling Turkey from NATO.
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2016/12/20 18:07:54
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Mmm...so you're saying there's a shining bright side...
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2016/12/20 18:29:47
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I haven't actually decided that part yet. On one hand I see no point to NATO and on the other hand I have no desire to see what happens if there is no NATO, if that makes sense.
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2016/12/20 20:59:05
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I'm hearing England is getting blamed for this, something about thwarting Turkey's attempts to improve relations with Moscow.
Take it with a grain of salt because there's no shortage of conspiracy theories around this one.
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2016/12/20 21:14:31
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 Breotan wrote:I'm hearing England is getting blamed for this, something about thwarting Turkey's attempts to improve relations with Moscow.
Take it with a grain of salt because there's no shortage of conspiracy theories around this one.
Nah... it was that youtube video Innocence of Muslim.
That is it... right? Gotta bit it...
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2016/12/20 21:39:21
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 whembly wrote: Breotan wrote:I'm hearing England is getting blamed for this, something about thwarting Turkey's attempts to improve relations with Moscow.
Take it with a grain of salt because there's no shortage of conspiracy theories around this one.
Nah... it was that youtube video Innocence of Muslim.
That is it... right? Gotta bit it...
Whembly has manged to turn a complete unrelated thing into hating on democrats. It's like a Christmas miracle.
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2016/12/20 21:49:48
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 Co'tor Shas wrote: whembly wrote: Breotan wrote:I'm hearing England is getting blamed for this, something about thwarting Turkey's attempts to improve relations with Moscow.
Take it with a grain of salt because there's no shortage of conspiracy theories around this one.
Nah... it was that youtube video Innocence of Muslim.
That is it... right? Gotta bit it...
Whembly has manged to turn a complete unrelated thing into hating on democrats. It's like a Christmas miracle.
Yeah, he Bengazhi'd the thread. Isn't there a space on the Bingo chart for that?
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2016/12/20 21:54:25
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 DarkTraveler777 wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote: whembly wrote: Breotan wrote:I'm hearing England is getting blamed for this, something about thwarting Turkey's attempts to improve relations with Moscow.
Take it with a grain of salt because there's no shortage of conspiracy theories around this one.
Nah... it was that youtube video Innocence of Muslim.
That is it... right? Gotta bit it...
Whembly has manged to turn a complete unrelated thing into hating on democrats. It's like a Christmas miracle.
Yeah, he Bengazhi'd the thread. Isn't there a space on the Bingo chart for that?
There is. It was called "still, Benghazi" a year ago.
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