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Commissar Benny wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
Why do I suspect the next year is either going to be 40ks best year or the year that the entire fan base riots?

Pretty much. I really like the way the narrative is headed and am excited about the advancement of the plot.......BUT

It could also be the "midichlorians" of 40k. GW needs to proceed VERY carefully. We don't need anymore Grey Knights killing sisters for their blood and nonsense like that. If they really are going to do this, they need to go slow. Pray to the emperor that they have their best writers on this.

I hope they take 5-10 years to reach Terra that is IF they reach Terra. As Rob mentioned in the twitch episode, there is so many worlds and so many stories to tell that they may never reach terra.

Fez

 TheKbob wrote:
I considered 40k a dead game. I see plastic Sisters.

Are they really jumping some massive shark these days, rules that bad, or sales that down?

Well, at least releasing them got me here. What's happening in 40k land? Is this a full SOB release or just three models and "hope"?

Something to keep in mind amist all the happiness greeting these great models is we're seeing yet more amping up of power levels. St Celestine was always a neat character and a useful one, but from what (little) we have seen she's now blowing away King Kong-sized demons with a nasty look. So we're adding Supergirl to a game already overwhelmed by mecha and kaiju.

No one ever doubted GW's ability to make amazing models. And after the last few years no one should doubt GW's willingness to broaden and deepen their universe.

But will Celestine, Cyber Potato Bug and Autumn on Cadia do anything to arrest the rules bloat and power creep in the game?

No, clearly not.

 TheKbob wrote:
I considered 40k a dead game. I see plastic Sisters.

Are they really jumping some massive shark these days, rules that bad, or sales that down?

Well, at least releasing them got me here. What's happening in 40k land? Is this a full SOB release or just three models and "hope"?

The latter, more could come later on. But the back cover of this new campaign book clearly shows the old metal sisters troops. So I think if they even had a full range planned in the first place...then they aren't ready this soon. It's almost like they are still testing the waters or something, or by trickling plastic kits over the course of next year they will drive people into a frenzy to buy up each kit in droves as its released. It's a sure thing that these 3 sisters are going to sell like crazy.

The only thing that is going to fix 40ks game rules or make it fun again is a revamp, cause right now its convoluted to the point where I don't even feel like making an effort. Blood Bowl is at about the right level of complexity for me, anything crazier than that is too much like work.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I considered 40k a dead game. I see plastic Sisters.

Are they really jumping some massive shark these days, rules that bad, or sales that down?

Well, at least releasing them got me here. What's happening in 40k land? Is this a full SOB release or just three models and "hope"?

Something to keep in mind amist all the happiness greeting these great models is we're seeing yet more amping up of power levels. St Celestine was always a neat character and a useful one, but from what (little) we have seen she's now blowing away King Kong-sized demons with a nasty look. So we're adding Supergirl to a game already overwhelmed by mecha and kaiju.

No one ever doubted GW's ability to make amazing models. And after the last few years no one should doubt GW's willingness to broaden and deepen their universe.

But will Celestine, Cyber Potato Bug and Autumn on Cadia do anything to arrest the rules bloat and power creep in the game?

No, clearly not.

Yeah that art certainly depicts Celestine in a manner which suggests at very minimum she is to become a Lord of War. Honestly, I would be totally fine with that. Sisters have been on the bottom tiers for so long that they need "something" to make them more competitive. At the same time, I don't want them to become the new Eldar army. Power creep is out of control atm. If it continues to run rampant, it will eventually all come crashing down. Even now, at this moment only about 1/2 the armies out there are viable/competitive. Hopefully GW has learned from their errors in 7th edition, but at present it doesn't look like it.

 Vankraken wrote:
If they where going to go through the effort to make a plastic Celestine with two "Not Seraphim" then it would seem logical that they would also make plastic troops for sisters. Why go though the effort of making a new character kit in plastic for a faction and not also make the base units for that faction in plastic when the base units will move a lot more kits and thus be a better return on investment.

At this point I'm 99% sure plastic sisters troops will be released in the near future.

Well if one wants to come up with reasons howabout move away from basic grunts and more into special units and uber stuff like in AOS side. Everything needs to be somehow special. Base SOB could be too normal for GW.

On AOS side you don't need big line for faction. There's factions with just 1 or 2 entries in them...Technically this could fit into that pattern.

tneva82 wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:
If they where going to go through the effort to make a plastic Celestine with two "Not Seraphim" then it would seem logical that they would also make plastic troops for sisters. Why go though the effort of making a new character kit in plastic for a faction and not also make the base units for that faction in plastic when the base units will move a lot more kits and thus be a better return on investment.

At this point I'm 99% sure plastic sisters troops will be released in the near future.

Well if one wants to come up with reasons howabout move away from basic grunts and more into special units and uber stuff like in AOS side. Everything needs to be somehow special. Base SOB could be too normal for GW.

On AOS side you don't need big line for faction. There's factions with just 1 or 2 entries in them...Technically this could fit into that pattern.

This is mainly the legacy lines which didn't receive any update so far. Only one I can think of from the "new" lines is the Extremis Chambers (--> Ridden Stormcasts) with two models ... which nobody (exaggeration of mine) plays on ist own.

SKR.HH wrote:
This is mainly the legacy lines which didn't receive any update so far. Only one I can think of from the "new" lines is the Extremis Chambers (--> Ridden Stormcasts) with two models ... which nobody (exaggeration of mine) plays on ist own.

Who says anything about Celestine faction being played on it's own? GW is pushing idea of more and more factions from which you pick what you want.

Small faction that has couple special guys that IOM(and well frankly the way GW does it chaos and tyranids as well) can use...Entirely plausible.

Albeit odds are very good there is going to be more plastic sisters on their way but technically having very tiny faction to be used as part of larger force isn't impossible. In modern 40k idea of sticking to one faction is pretty much outdated anyway.

40k really seems to be getting more and more character driven lately :(

 Elbows wrote:
Here ya go Ceph

She just needs a glaive now

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k really seems to be getting more and more character driven lately :(

Supergirl vs Godzilla vs Giantor, mark my words.

With Dr Doom coming in 1Q 2017.

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k really seems to be getting more and more character driven lately :(

Not just 40k but GW as a whole.

Guess their designers can't come up with interesting troops. Easier to create big character with tons of special rules and lots of bling. Oh and skulls

Though when they do release troops they are nice. Which is why I'm hoping for basic SOB to appear. Celestine is meh. Wouldn't even be using that all that much in a game anyway. Doesn't make sense to have her in every game.

 Oaka wrote:


It's unlikely given the armor but I was always interested in Arhra, the original phoenix lord of the striking scorpions who supposedly fled in the webway after falling to chaos. Perhaps he had a change of heart?

Looks like a custodes to me



It isn't, but it does look like one. Artistic license maybe?

The dark eldar fanatics from thedarkcity are 99.99% positive its an Inubi since its got the eldar back fin things. We knew there would be DE models released of some kind, and for plot reasons it meshes up right with what we know form the Ad Mech teaming up with the DE to save the golden throne.

It's nothing to do with bad designers. Jeez guys, have you seen the Skitarii or GS Cult? GW is knocking troops sculpts out if the park these days.

They're creating what they think is cool and that may tickle some nostalgia bones. Some of the snark is seriously misplaced. If you don't like the models or game direction, fine, but let's not have a bashing session slagging off clearly talented miniature designers.

More character driven in what way?

We've just had Rubrics, both PA and TA, Tzaangors, SoS, Custodes, MkIII, Tartaros Termies and two sets of Genestealer hybrids

Sure there are characters, but they have hardly stopped making normal troops if that's your thing

The majority of models they've been putting out are great. The one exception I haven't liked in recent times.

1. Is that ugly SoB Resin Cannoness from a few weeks back. 2. There was this dumb wulfen model I think? Where he is posed like a capital T and looks dumb as hell.

Just a thought.
If Celestine is leading the empire and Abbadon is leading Chaos. Could we be seeing an updated Celestine statline to allow her to duke it out with Abbadon?

 Mythantor wrote:
Just a thought.
If Celestine is leading the empire and Abbadon is leading Chaos. Could we be seeing an updated Celestine statline to allow her to duke it out with Abbadon?

She wouldn't that much of a boost

 Gamgee wrote:
The majority of models they've been putting out are great. The one exception I haven't liked in recent times.

1. Is that ugly SoB Resin Cannoness from a few weeks back.

While not my cup of tea it certainly captures the spirit of the original artwork (IMHO). I don't like the artwork either (or in general John Blanches style ) So from a technical point of view I think the cannoness is good...

 Mythantor wrote:
Just a thought.
If Celestine is leading the empire and Abbadon is leading Chaos. Could we be seeing an updated Celestine statline to allow her to duke it out with Abbadon?

Doubt it, we already know Cadia will fall and since Sisters are involved GW will follow the tradition of Sisters getting completely crushed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Celestine is killed by Abaddon and a lonely space marine charges in and manages to wound Abaddon so he flees back to his ships and does exterminatus on Cadia.
Abaddon will reach Terra and he will reach the throne room, I believe this is 100% set in stone. There are then a few ways it will play out.

Chaos gods gave him a pokeball in which to trap the emperor soul, he slaughters all guards and is about to use it when Alpharius and Omegon goes "-HAH HAAA we are not your body guards but infact Alpha Legion Primarchs!". Abaddon goes meh and bitch slaps them to the floor, he continues to prepare the pokeball and just as he is about to use it Cypher rushes past him and plunges his sword into the Emperor, thus releasing him from the Golden Throne. Emperor explodes ala Slaanesh birth and destroys all chaos taint within the solar system as he is reborn as the Chaos god of Faith/Hope/Mankind. Magnus who was standing behind Abaddon is cleansed of chaos taint whilst Abaddon is burnt to cinders because he couldn't shield himself with a kindshield and the chaos gods couldn't penetrate the palace to protect him due to all the wards and stuff.

Emperor is reborn and forgives Magnus as he never intended to have Magnus killed in the first place. We then continue a storyline similar to Text to Speech. Emperor isn't happy with his imperium, Primarchs aren't happy with things and there is general chaos all over the imperium due to... well... everything really.
So the emperor sets out to do a new great crusade and that's where 8E starts.

There you go, I've just spoiled the end of 40K and the beginning of Age of the Emprah..

That actually sounds awesome imo

 godardc wrote:
The inquisitor has high heels (and the canoness had, too).
Why GW, why ? That so stupid...

Shocking, I know, but women have been known to wear high heels. It's even been the case that sometimes, people will choose fashion over practicalities!




Seriously though, it's two models, one of which is explicitly a reproduction of a piece of art that features heels.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
It's nothing to do with bad designers. Jeez guys, have you seen the Skitarii or GS Cult? GW is knocking troops sculpts out if the park these days.

They're creating what they think is cool and that may tickle some nostalgia bones. Some of the snark is seriously misplaced. If you don't like the models or game direction, fine, but let's not have a bashing session slagging off clearly talented miniature designers.

You mean the ranges where the same sculptor did the infantry kits for both? GW have talented people working there, but not everyone who works there is on the same level as the one guy turning out consistently excellent infantry, and the people making the decisions as to exactly what gets made aren't doing so well IMO.

 Vitruvian XVII wrote:
That actually sounds awesome imo

No accounting for taste, eh.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Trust me, it makes sense. ..........
Remember, you can melt it down in a bread baking pan for free, GW has to pay people for that. Throw in the premium they make on sisters models compared to other metal models, and I'd be wanting to sell any leftover sisters too.

You are assuming that GW has been sitting on an apparent mountain of completed models for forever that they would have to move.

Despite the fact that the line routinely goes out of stock, comes back, goes out. Which would suggest that they have just been casting to meet current demands over the years. Not sitting like a dragon on some huge mound of stormbolter sisters. You know, using basic manufacturing pull system production processes.

Product sitting on the floor in the warehouse costs money, if it doesn't move you aren't making anything off of your investment in it but you are paying for the metal its made of and the space it sits on. Add in the cost to package them, handle them a thousand times moving them out of the way of all the product that is selling. Suffering wastage as your staff has issues with moving around your mountain of figs and destroys it a few boxes at a time.

Literally everything about manufacturing points towards the fact that there never was a mountain of Sister figs piled on top of the vault of plastic Sisters deep inside the bowels of Games Workshop. This months Sisters reboxing and re-release involved them casting a great majority of the models to whatever they foresaw as the demand for them. Judging by the availability of the new Canoness they were probably smart about it and aimed conservatively.

Always leave them wanting more and all that. This Sisters release last week means that they will be selling the metal models for some time yet. It probably reset the clock on a full Sisters plastic release, a huge pile if metal sisters sitting on the GW warehouse floor is certainly NOT the cause of delay for plastic sisters.

When are the Sororitas Tactical Cards coming?

SKR.HH wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The majority of models they've been putting out are great. The one exception I haven't liked in recent times.

1. Is that ugly SoB Resin Cannoness from a few weeks back.

While not my cup of tea it certainly captures the spirit of the original artwork (IMHO). I don't like the artwork either (or in general John Blanches style ) So from a technical point of view I think the cannoness is good...

I disagree, Blanche's artwork was very svelte, the model is chunky and the foot to thigh ratio ruins the model compared to the artwork.

Probably never, Chaos Space Marines are still waiting for their Datacards (whether it be the Objectives from Traitor's Hate to the individual Legion ones).

If CSMs didn't get any for their small updates I doubt SoB will short of a full solo codex release with a new plastic range.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Celestine is killed by Abaddon...

You wouldn't be surprised if the character that they just released as a brand new plastic kit was killed off straight away? Really?

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Magnus who was standing behind Abaddon is cleansed of chaos taint whilst

And then you think they'll render their recently released giant Daemon Primarch "good" and remove that kit out of the game?

C'mon man...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Probably never, Chaos Space Marines are still waiting for their Datacards (whether it be the Objectives from Traitor's Hate to the individual Legion ones).

If CSMs didn't get any for their small updates I doubt SoB will short of a full solo codex release with a new plastic range.

Sisters of Battle can be sold as Allies to (loyalist) Space Marine players.

Chaos Space Marines can't be.

So I'm willing to bet they'll get a solo 'dex.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Celestine is killed by Abaddon...

You wouldn't be surprised if the character that they just released as a brand new plastic kit was killed off straight away? Really?

Didn't save Belegar. I don't think the Glotkin appeared in AoS lore either.

I reckon Celestine is doomed. She's written as organising the initial defence of Cadia, right? Which means she has to die horribly at the end of the first book so the Space Marines can take over command and use her demise as resolve to smash le heretics 4 de Emprah. Creed is probably going to get killed off-screen too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Celestine is killed by Abaddon...

You wouldn't be surprised if the character that they just released as a brand new plastic kit was killed off straight away? Really?

GW have shown they can do short run plastic kits (which I assume they can make short run moulds cheaply enough for it to be financially viable).

Not saying I think it's going to happen, but nor would it surprise me.

I'm still waiting to see plastic Sisters, I'm not yet convinced, if GW were trying to clear out the metals they would have put "last chance to buy" on them like they did with Celestine, which is the only model we've seen.

St Celestine may get killed but thats no reason she will not be in the later book (s). Sheild of Baal did show that GW can have Sisters kicking serious ass and survive.

Lets hope it continues!

St C organising the defence? Interesting to see how that works and if she is in a accompanying novel how she is portrayed.....she does appear to be leading a relief force in the pic which shows the beleagured Guard and Marines - so maybe she is killed and then she re-aoppears at the head of a Black Templars / Sister Crusade force.