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 Red Corsair wrote:
I find it hilarious everyone is speculating whether or not Celestine will die on Cadia, and how that invalidates the model....

I mean, isn't her whole shtick how she dies and comes back?

This.

She was a dead repentia dragged back behind the line to give her her final rites when she sat up and proclaimed death to heretics.

She was declared a living saint some time after that when she boosted a dead saint's power armour in order to purge heretics more zealously.

She died at last storming a fortress that had an atomic self destruct system.

Then she appeared again in the midst of battle years later.

She's a perfect candidate. She'll die during the Cadian campaign with all indication she's never coming back, only to reappear during the siege of Terra in a glorious ray of light, smiting down whoever killed her previously.

 Mr Morden wrote:


I love the new Sisters models - immediate purchase - along with the Canoness when they finally have her available again.

The page for the Canoness stated back in stock on 21 Dec.

Starting from 1745GMT tonight, GW have sent me about 9 e-mails letting me know the model is back in stock.

I've ordered so it might still be on the site.

Happy buying.

Regimental Standard is also all about the coming storm, though true to form... https://regimental-standard.com/2016/12/21/cadi-a-ok/

Interestingly enough, they are referring to Creed as "Major Lord Castellan Creed" for some reason.

 BrookM wrote:
Regimental Standard is also all about the coming storm, though true to form... https://regimental-standard.com/2016/12/21/cadi-a-ok/

Interestingly enough, they are referring to Creed as "Major Lord Castellan Creed" for some reason.

Strange, I thought he was at least a Colonel or above that. He's a Company Commander crunchwise.

 BrookM wrote:
Regimental Standard is also all about the coming storm, though true to form... https://regimental-standard.com/2016/12/21/cadi-a-ok/

Interestingly enough, they are referring to Creed as "Major Lord Castellan Creed" for some reason.

Yeah, that is weird...

"Lord Castellan" is the ranking he insisted upon being reactivated post-Tyrok Fields and the death of the Governor. He was offered Governorship, but turned it down in favor of "Lord Castellan"(which is a strictly military title and in a sense a kind of de facto dictatorship position) after that.

He was a General during the lead-up to the likely timeframe for "The Gathering Storm", so I can't think of why there's a "Major" in front of it.
(Note: All the information I mentioned about Lord Castellan is present in "Legends of the Dark Millenium: Astra Militarum", starting with the short story "Last Step Backwards").


In any regards, I love this:



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 ultimentra wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Regimental Standard is also all about the coming storm, though true to form... https://regimental-standard.com/2016/12/21/cadi-a-ok/

Interestingly enough, they are referring to Creed as "Major Lord Castellan Creed" for some reason.

Strange, I thought he was at least a Colonel or above that. He's a Company Commander crunchwise.

Far above that. Creed was a General during the lead-up to Tyrok Fields. Lord Castellan is a position that might as well mean "Warmaster" for the Cadian system.

alphaecho wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


I love the new Sisters models - immediate purchase - along with the Canoness when they finally have her available again.

The page for the Canoness stated back in stock on 21 Dec.

Starting from 1745GMT tonight, GW have sent me about 9 e-mails letting me know the model is back in stock.

I've ordered so it might still be on the site.

Happy buying.

Did anyone else notice she's got "This product is limited to 1 per order" on her description now? Was that there before?

 StupidYellow wrote:

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 Sersi wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:

 Sersi wrote:
I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.

We just got previewed some gorgeous models. St. Celestine and the Gemini are beautiful minatures. Those are easily the best female faces GW has ever done. The proportions are excellent, and detailing modest and appropriate. I love the "thorn" garter an rose motif. I'll just assume that the Gemini replace her cherubs. I'm gonna miss those undead winged babies, they were one of my favorite Grim/dark things. I'm not sure is it necessary but you should be able to either reinforce them with clear acrylic rods or magnetize them. Then we have a glorious Arch Magos model and a fluff accurate Ordo Heriticus Inquisitor. These are all good things.

I'm not worried about the Fall of Cadia, things are at long last starting to matter and 40K again instead of perpetual stalemate. Sisters and Black Templars on a cursade to save Cadia led by the last Living Saint that is epic! Bring it on I say. The war in the webway, the 2nd battle of Terra. I am ready.

Advancement of any timeline in any game has to be done carefully lest it be the catastrophe that was White Wolf's awful Time of Judgment. Or the rather stalemate in Warmachine / Hordes or the ehh of how L5R handles it. ( One of the bad guys has his own approved clan now )

Oh and let's not forget the terribad End Times of Warhammer

I really hope that it never reaches Terra, or leave the Cadian sector as honestly I'm very hesitant to have HH 2.0 this time it's for reals honest gov (P.S. no daddy issues) . Because I don't think it would work.

I don't trust the same writers who made End Times to deliver, sorry.

S.Y.

I get where your coming from. But....I and many others enjoyed End times, and Age of Sigmar...crazy I know. I bought the books and many of the models and didn't feel cheated by it. I also enjoyed the old world, but I don't miss it though. But really we need to stop comparing the too. Fantasy was dying. 40K is very much alive as is 30K. We might not like some of the new background but GW is not going to nuke the Universe.

I'm all for Cadia falling. Its but one of the millions of Imperium's worlds, and it makes narrative sense given how they developed the story. Having daemonic incursions erupt all over the segmentum leaves the Imperium in a tough place. Either bleed off the defensive fleets and units around Cadia to shore up defenses elsewhere or sacrifice billions to chaos....only making it stronger.

I don't even have a problem with a second battle of Terra as long as the development is logical and makes sense. The war between the Imperium and Chaos has been cold for a long time. It'll be a pleasant change to have it turn hot for awhile. I doesn't have to end in victory or defeat to either side, we might only see a re-drawing of some borders.

I'm glad that you enjoyed End Times and enjoy AoS, fair play to you. I was told my army wouldn't be killed of and yet it was.

Do you understand what will happen if the Traitor Legions hit Terra again? And actually kill the Emperor ? Gg world dead, Dark Imperium. Or Eye of Terror 2.0.

Or 50k AoS. 2.0. Old Emps didn't die he just transcended and slapped the chaos Gods.

I want to make this clear, I like the Tzzangors. I really do, I think AoS has helped GW create some fantastic models and some wonderful artwork.

I truly desperately hope that it never reaches anywhere near Terra, I'm fine with A mechanicus Civil war, I'm fine with almost anything up to Necromunda falling. Even then if it saved Earth yeah okay ill take the hit for my favourite Setting.

Reaching Earth is a Game over for 40k it might as well just be AoS with Boltguns.

Anyway. Youve made me see AoS in a better light. Thank you.

S.Y.



P.S. we do need compare how they handled the Transition from End Times into AoS as this could very well be the 40k equivalent.

They saw how it boosted those sales, I'm guessing they think they could pull off another sales boosting reboot.

I have the feeling that Chaos his either be turned back or the war will bog down before ever reaching Terra. According to Warhammer TV the spin off campaigns will run into 2018 at least. I can't see anything like End times happening to 40K. GW seems to be doing very well at the moment by giving us things we want to buy. Although, I wouldn't mind if they ported some of the simplified rule set and handling of monsters from AOS over to 40K.

That said nearly anything can be justified with good story telling. Failing that we can always ignore the odious bits with appropriate head canon.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Dorghar, Archaon's horse, was and always has been a Daemonic Mount. It always just took the form of a bigger than average horse.

The reason Dorghar is so "grand" now? It ate a Greater(well, Greatest) Daemon from one of each of the three Ruinous Powers who can exercise their power. Part of the backstory for Archaon now is that after the fall of the original setting, Archaon kind of...drifted. When Chaos found Sigmar's creations, Archaon came back. The Ruinous Powers each sent one of their Greater(est) Daemons to kill Archaon.

After he killed all three of them, Dorghar consumed their essences and thus we get New Dorghar.

Thank you. I did not know that. I forgot the name but didn't know about Dorghar consuming them. That is awesome. Dang, once I have the money I think I will have to buy that book now. What was that book called?

Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?

Celestine and the 2 Gemini will be a kit.

I just thought of something and it might be a long shot but HOPEFULLY IG gets a decurion that doesn't involve 150 everyday guardsmen as its core choice.

Davor wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Dorghar, Archaon's horse, was and always has been a Daemonic Mount. It always just took the form of a bigger than average horse.

The reason Dorghar is so "grand" now? It ate a Greater(well, Greatest) Daemon from one of each of the three Ruinous Powers who can exercise their power. Part of the backstory for Archaon now is that after the fall of the original setting, Archaon kind of...drifted. When Chaos found Sigmar's creations, Archaon came back. The Ruinous Powers each sent one of their Greater(est) Daemons to kill Archaon.

After he killed all three of them, Dorghar consumed their essences and thus we get New Dorghar.

Thank you. I did not know that. I forgot the name but didn't know about Dorghar consuming them. That is awesome. Dang, once I have the money I think I will have to buy that book now. What was that book called?

It's not just one book. I'm blanking on which books in particular had that info(the first few months of AoS I powered through the fluff stuff in a big way), but I want to say that "Everchosen"(the Archaon and Varanguard army book) has that story and fluff in it.

Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?

She's on a 50mm base while the Geminae seem to be on 40mm bases. I'm going to guess probably $60 USD for all 3.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Davor wrote:

Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?

She's on a 50mm base while the Geminae seem to be on 40mm bases. I'm going to guess probably $60 USD for all 3.

I think going forward GW is going to do more character kits like this, just like how they've done the Genestealer Cult Patriarch/Magus/Prime and the Thousand Son's Exalted Sorcerers... GW's clearly realized that if it wants a certain kind of money for their plastic character minis it means giving us more than just a single character.

I wonder if this campaign will present formations with mixed forces. DEldar, Black Templars, Celestine, Mechanicum.

Dont know if the imperial agents had something like that.
WoM didnt even combine daemons and TS, but AoS dont mind making fluffy formations with stormcasts and sylvaneth, or mixing in the option of "other" factions.

 Sersi wrote:


I have the feeling that Chaos his either be turned back or the war will bog down before ever reaching Terra. According to Warhammer TV the spin off campaigns will run into 2018 at least. I can't see anything like End times happening to 40K. GW seems to be doing very well at the moment by giving us things we want to buy. Although, I wouldn't mind if they ported some of the simplified rule set and handling of monsters from AOS over to 40K.

That said nearly anything can be justified with good story telling. Failing that we can always ignore the odious bits with appropriate head canon.

Just to point out one major difference between GW during the End Times and now, no Alan Merrett. He was the incompetent overtyrant of IP and fluff. His view of 40k and WHFB were what was allowed to go out. I hope for a better scenario for 40k now than the WHFB ET.

On the negative, Matt Ward is back, so that probably means the Gemini will end up impaled on Abbadon's trophy rack's and he'll have a banner made of the Celestine's flayed skin, because #MattWard.

Davor wrote:
Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?

From all we know it's a 3 model kit, Celestine and the Gemini twins (that Tankred was having a dream about). The more interesting question in my mind though is WHY?
What other special character comes with other models? All others you have to buy separately as far as I know. What is the reason behind 3 models? I take it this means she wont be in a blister but a standard infantry box. The question remains, why is she 3 models instead of 1? Does this mean she can't join other models?
So can I no longer put her in a unit of Seraphim? (Fluff wise the place to put her would be a unit of Repentia but I digress...)

So we have 3 models, we have The Fall of Cadia (where Abaddon is 100% sure to succeed in whatever his plan is) and the 13th Black Crusade - This Time it's Personal!
We have a Witch Hunter, a pregnant techno dadmom and Celestine leading the Black Templars (all of them or just a small force?) in defense of Cadia. There is also a Incubi with them for some reason, something neither the BT or SoB would agree to under any known circumstance in the fluff at this point (to my knowledge and I collect both BT and SoB). So just what the hell is going on? It is quite interesting times we live in indeed.

Predictions:
Cadia will Fall... duh...
Abaddon will femaledog slap both Gemini as they try to save Celestine, he will mess up Celestine who is then saved by a random Space Marine, her last words at the end of the book will be something akin to "Look to the North on the 13th day of the siege of Terra". She then dies and what follows is that picture we saw with the BT marching and some looking back at Celestines grave or something. The Dark Eldar has a webway gate so the forces can get off the planet before Abaddon does his exterminatus.

PLOT TWIST! They were betrayed by the DE who wanted them for the arenas of Commoragh. There they face a quite insane Primarch who has been fighting several times a day for like 9000 years. He kills several of them before the Inquisitor or Techno dad pacifies him and do some plot twist thing so he regains his sanity. They then start a gladiator rebellion and try to escape into the webway and we get a War in the Webway. They lose allot but the most important characters make it, Inquisitor probably dies. They then make it to Terra somehow just in time for the Siege of Terra to start. Everything is going bad, horrible in fact and Abaddon makes it to the throne room.

Magnus, Alpharius and Omegon are there and try to stop Abaddon from using his pokeball to trap the Emperors soul. Celestine is reborn in a flash of light just as Abaddon is about to do his soul trap wizardry, the 2 seconds it takes him to femaledog slap her into oblivion for the second time Cypher rushes past him and plunges his sword through the Emperor which releases him from the prison of the throne. Psychic backlash seals the webway gate and banishes all chaotic stuff. Magnus is able to shield himself but his armor is melted away as is Tzeentches corruption in him. This is why there is a armored and unarmored version of him. We then get Text to Speech and the Emperor reborn, he's unhappy with the imperium so a new great crusade is set in motion. Age of Emprah begins...

Every race in the universe do their thing but the greatest threat comes from the most unlikely of places. With the chaos fleets defeated for now the Imperium finally has the forces to spare to go deal with the pesky Tau. They send a few chapters of SM and a few hundred billion IG to eradicate them. The Tau are pushed back more and more until the situation is pretty much helpless. They simply don't have the solders to pilot their warmachines so they get the great idea to make them autonomous with their advanced AI (In the fluff the IA is programmed to avoid needless destruction if possible, aka self preservation... anyone with Sci-Fi knowledge of AI knows this is a bad idea). Since a more advanced AI with faster/higher computing power is needed for the battle suits they make the process completely automated to create them. First few tests show promise but the AI suits can't react well to changes in combat situations so they add a few changes to the programming, mainly in the form of the ability to learn so they can predict enemy movement and adapt to it.

Tau as we know them are wiped out, a new threat emerges in the form of Abominable Intelligence created by the Tau so Imperial countermeasures are pretty useless.
The remaining etherials are onboard expansion fleets and they learn of the destruction of their elders so flee to some out region to rebuild. Tau Enclaves continue doing what they've always done.

Oh yeah, the bugs from Murder show up to mess with the Imperium, with the destruction of the Interex no measures remained to make sure the bugs were contained. So the bugs rebuilt their interstellar capabilities and for the past 10 000 years have been conquering that sector of space and expanding exponentially.

So we get 2 new armies, true bugs and true AI (Necrons are not AI. If you transferred your consciousnesses into a robot body you wouldn't suddenly become an AI).
Tyrands aren't bugs, they behave allot like viruses and they have almost none of the aesthetics of bugs. There isn't a single Tyranid creature I would call a bug from appearance, I'd say they look more like beasts than bugs. Tyranids want to devour and move on, bugs would want to expand, especially if the bugs from Murder functioned similarly to harvester ants. They'd go out, bring back as much useful stuff as they can, they would be 100% self sustainable by growing their own food etc but as the colony grows they need to expand their territory to be able to grow enough food. So giant migrations would take place, call them nuptial flights as a reference to ants.

So we would have 2 completely alien forces that can't be bargained with, one is set to devour everything, the other on the complete opposite course in expanding everywhere. Needless to say Nids and Bugs don't get along because a dead planet is of no use to the bugs so they will defend their colony to the last bug.

Other than humans, is there any animal on earth that could be compared to the Tyranids? Only life form I can think of would be viruses. They consumed everything and replicate exponentially until there is nothing left to consume or the host is dead.

Anyway, there you go, the next 5 years of warhammer 40K.

I still have 2 Canoness Verydians for sale for those who are desperate, saw someone comment on them not being able to get one. I'm sure GW will restock them in good time though.

Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?

 Fayric wrote:
I wonder if this campaign will present formations with mixed forces. DEldar, Black Templars, Celestine, Mechanicum.

Dont know if the imperial agents had something like that.
WoM didnt even combine daemons and TS, but AoS dont mind making fluffy formations with stormcasts and sylvaneth, or mixing in the option of "other" factions.

The thing about the mixed AoS formations, is that they tie into the whole "three ways to play". Thows formations are only for camapign and narrative play, and do not have point listings for matched play.

Effectively 40k only has "match play", with no narrative or Campaign play. The AoS formations that do have point costs that can be used in match play, looks alot more like the 40k ones. The way AoS and 40k are organised are realy different beasts at this point.

Other special character with additional models:




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 MadCowCrazy wrote:

Predictions:

This post almost gave me cancer. Ugh.

See the word predictions, skip the rest of the post. Simple.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

Davor wrote:
Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?

From all we know it's a 3 model kit, Celestine and the Gemini twins (that Tankred was having a dream about). The more interesting question in my mind though is WHY?
What other special character comes with other models?

Nork Deddog is a good example of a named character who comes with two other models in the box that aren't usable without further purchases. My guess is that the Geminae Twins will form a unit with Celestine, or be usable on their own. The kit might even make a generic 3 model squad with an alternate head/weapon arms/jump pack for Celestine, turning her into a basic sister.


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I think the worst example of a named model coming with extra stuff is the Sammael, Master of the Ravenwing in his special, named Land Speeder. You have to buy a Land Speeder and then you have to buy one of the DA kits that comes with a Ravenwing upgrade sprue. the bits you need to turn the Land Speeder into Sammael's Land Speeder are on that upgrade sprue.

Fun Fact... that sprue also has plastic Belial upgrade parts. Belial might be the only named character who has two different models right now. I might be wrong on that.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?

That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.

 silent25 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?

That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.

The guy comes back for a BL gig(likely involving novels associated with this) and it's back to "Waaah, Waah, waah! Ward's back! Waaaah!".


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Davor wrote:
Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?

From all we know it's a 3 model kit, Celestine and the Gemini twins (that Tankred was having a dream about). The more interesting question in my mind though is WHY?
What other special character comes with other models? All others you have to buy separately as far as I know.

Aun'va is a special character who comes with his retinue. Creed used to do so, but hasn't since they made Kell and Creed separate.
Guard Command Squads(Cadian, Tempestus, and Catachan flavors) are characters+their retinue.
The most recent Power Armored plastic Captain(Mister Whiskers as I like to refer to him) and the Terminator Captain both are available in a box with a Command Squad.

I'm sure there are more.

What is the reason behind 3 models? I take it this means she wont be in a blister but a standard infantry box. The question remains, why is she 3 models instead of 1? Does this mean she can't join other models?
So can I no longer put her in a unit of Seraphim? (Fluff wise the place to put her would be a unit of Repentia but I digress...)

Because she's likely being turned into a Special Character with two Characters as a "unit" rather than just a simple Special Character?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 silent25 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?

That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.

The guy comes back for a BL gig(likely involving novels associated with this) and it's back to "Waaah, Waah, waah! Ward's back! Waaaah!".

You get that he was disliked as much for his awful fluff as his awful rules, yeah? Saying "Oh he's only going to be writing fluff, possibly for the first major storyline advancement 40K has undergone in a decade" is not exactly comforting. I barely trust GW not to feth this up as it is, the idea of Ward being significantly involved hardly changes that.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 silent25 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?

That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.

The guy comes back for a BL gig(likely involving novels associated with this) and it's back to "Waaah, Waah, waah! Ward's back! Waaaah!".

You get that he was disliked as much for his awful fluff as his awful rules, yeah? Saying "Oh he's only going to be writing fluff, possibly for the first major storyline advancement 40K has undergone in a decade" is not exactly comforting. I barely trust GW not to feth this up as it is, the idea of Ward being significantly involved hardly changes that.

Seeing as to this day we STILL don't know what pieces of fluff belonged to him and what belongs to Cruddace or any of the other individuals who make up "Games Workshop Design Studio", I think you and every other person who whinged about Ward need to drop the grudge and move on.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 silent25 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?

That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.

The guy comes back for a BL gig(likely involving novels associated with this) and it's back to "Waaah, Waah, waah! Ward's back! Waaaah!".

You get that he was disliked as much for his awful fluff as his awful rules, yeah? Saying "Oh he's only going to be writing fluff, possibly for the first major storyline advancement 40K has undergone in a decade" is not exactly comforting. I barely trust GW not to feth this up as it is, the idea of Ward being significantly involved hardly changes that.

Seeing as to this day we STILL don't know what pieces of fluff belonged to him and what belongs to Cruddace or any of the other individuals who make up "Games Workshop Design Studio", I think you and every other person who whinged about Ward need to drop the grudge and move on.

Did he have anything to do with all that Age of Sigmar fluff or was he gone by then?

IIRC Ward wrote one or two of the books, including the Elf instalment.

 BrookM wrote:
IIRC Ward wrote one or two of the books, including the Elf instalment.

He wrote Khaine and Archaon (the last one) for def
Also wrote Nagash, you can tell by the overuse of the word "alas"

Chad Warden wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
IIRC Ward wrote one or two of the books, including the Elf instalment.

He wrote Khaine and Archaon (the last one) for def
Also wrote Nagash, you can tell by the overuse of the word "alas"

Warhammer End Times...Alas

In fairness, I thought Nagash was a very good read at the time although this could be mitigated by the fact I wasn't convinced the ultimate direction things were heading in; I did think Khaine was quite poor alright.

Delighted to see new releases for Sisters but the 'Fall of Cadia' stuff has me worried with where the fluff is going.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 silent25 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?

That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.

The guy comes back for a BL gig(likely involving novels associated with this) and it's back to "Waaah, Waah, waah! Ward's back! Waaaah!".

You get that he was disliked as much for his awful fluff as his awful rules, yeah? Saying "Oh he's only going to be writing fluff, possibly for the first major storyline advancement 40K has undergone in a decade" is not exactly comforting. I barely trust GW not to feth this up as it is, the idea of Ward being significantly involved hardly changes that.

wait Ward is writing this?

okay now push the awwww dang it button.

S.Y.

Nobody has confirmed this as of yet though..