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 Pouncey wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

Uhh, by "galaxy" do they actually mean "Imperium"?

Because the entire Imperium could be destroyed, every human killed, and the galaxy would be just fine.

And the Imperium only spans like a third to half of the Milky Way anyways.

I think what they meant was that the galaxy wouldn't be AOS'd, to be honest, but it was only a throwaway quote and it wasn't elaborated on further.

Basically, they're advancing the plot but not ending it, starting next year we're going to see some really major stuff going on - they're going all-out with it being the 30 year anniversary of 40k.

 Robin5t wrote:
I think what they meant was that the galaxy wouldn't be AOS'd, to be honest, but it was only a throwaway quote and it wasn't elaborated on further.

Basically, they're advancing the plot but not ending it, starting next year we're going to see some really major stuff going on - they're going all-out with it being the 30 year anniversary of 40k.

Well, hopefully it's a sign that they're not gonna do with any 40k factions what they did with WHFB Dark Elves and Bretonnians.

Personally I'd love to see the story shift to Chaos overwhelming the majority of the known universe. It wouldn't have to change much of anything in the codices etc., but the story would be far cooler.

Space Marine chapters on the run (maybe some home-worlds destroyed). Fleets being hunted down. Craftworld Eldar hiding small Imperial forces in the webway etc. The Dark Eldar enjoying picking on all the scraps from the fighting, etc.

Tau would be wiped out pretty damn quick though.

 Elbows wrote:
Personally I'd love to see the story shift to Chaos overwhelming the majority of the known universe. It wouldn't have to change much of anything in the codices etc., but the story would be far cooler.

Space Marine chapters on the run (maybe some home-worlds destroyed). Fleets being hunted down. Craftworld Eldar hiding small Imperial forces in the webway etc. The Dark Eldar enjoying picking on all the scraps from the fighting, etc.

Tau would be wiped out pretty damn quick though.

The drastic over-focusing of the story and game on the Imperium has become tiresome, personally, and I'd like to see the focus of the story get spread around to more factions.

I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

 General Kroll wrote:
I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

Yeah, I never suggested that the Imperium should be utterly destroyed, just for the spotlight to be spread around more.

 General Kroll wrote:
I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

I like an Imperium civil war as a fluff justification for why most battles involve loyalist Marines fighting other loyalist Marines.

hmm fall of Cadia, sounds like an intro to a new IG army to me, they do away with the Cadian boxs and bring in a new army to lead the charge or such.

in other words one big marketing ploy.

Asterios wrote:
hmm fall of Cadia, sounds like an intro to a new IG army to me, they do away with the Cadian boxs and bring in a new army to lead the charge or such.

in other words one big marketing ploy.

If thatgives us greatcoats (or Mordians ) in plastic with GSC proportions they can blow up Cadia, market ploy and release all the Primarchs they want. Even Roboute in a roller skate dread or whatever.

 General Kroll wrote:
I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

QFT. It's all about IP. WFB had major IP (and retail) issues, hence the destruction of the old world, whereas the 40K IP is much more defensible (and valuable). In fact, advancing the story line allows them to grow/enhance the IP. So as others have said, won't see wholesale destruction, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the second siege of Terra which gives GW the excuse to bring out a bunch of new books, Primarchs, and other new models, but doesn't leave the Imperium destroyed. Though with Primarchs, maybe it gets carved up into fiefdoms and no longer the monolithic entity its currently made out to be.

 Asmodai wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

I like an Imperium civil war as a fluff justification for why most battles involve loyalist Marines fighting other loyalist Marines.

Yeah, they did that once. It was called the Horus Heresy.

Well they announced awhile back that one of the Primarchs is coming back I'm going to go out on limb and say rather then Russ or Lion it will be Roboute Guilliman. Chaos will run rampant they will be knocking on the Emperor's door all hope seems lost when out of no where the orks slam into chaos from behind pissed that the missed some of the greatest fighting to be had. Still earth is mostly done for. However the Emperor enacts some dues ex machina to keep the Astronomicon going....from Ultrimar. He dies leaving some message about being reborn or directly fighting the chaos gods in the warp. (Maybe with aid from the Eldar maybe not.)

Roboute Guilliman leads/rules however the Imperium is mightily fractured and the new Astronomicon location has thrown off routes greatly. Worlds are rebelling, Whole Chapters are going Rogue (Claiming Guilliman is stealing the throne), and more. While certainly still probably the biggest and baddest on the block the Imperium can no longer be as wasteful as it was previously. Leading to Guilliman completely overhauling the system.

Thus you have a pretty heavily shaken state of affairs. (Much more opportunity for factions to be fighting amoungst themselves and allying with whoever.) but without invalidating any armies or fluff for the most part.

Khadorstompy wrote:
Well they announced awhile back that one of the Primarchs is coming back I'm going to go out on limb and say rather then Russ or Lion it will be Roboute Guilliman. Chaos will run rampant they will be knocking on the Emperor's door all hope seems lost when out of no where the orks slam into chaos from behind pissed that the missed some of the greatest fighting to be had. Still earth is mostly done for. However the Emperor enacts some dues ex machina to keep the Astronomicon going....from Ultrimar. He dies leaving some message about being reborn or directly fighting the chaos gods in the warp. (Maybe with aid from the Eldar maybe not.)

Roboute Guilliman leads/rules however the Imperium is mightily fractured and the new Astronomicon location has thrown off routes greatly. Worlds are rebelling, Whole Chapters are going Rogue (Claiming Guilliman is stealing the throne), and more. While certainly still probably the biggest and baddest on the block the Imperium can no longer be as wasteful as it was previously. Leading to Guilliman completely overhauling the system.

Thus you have a pretty heavily shaken state of affairs. (Much more opportunity for factions to be fighting amoungst themselves and allying with whoever.) but without invalidating any armies or fluff for the most part.

Magnus.

Magnus is a Primarch. And he's back now.

They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

Yeah, the lion was the rumour.

Wouldn't mind seeing Stompy's thoughts coming to fruition though.

I am a Guilliman fan however.

 alanmckenzie wrote:
Yeah, the lion was the rumour.

I inherently doubt any and all rumors. I've seen enough of them fail to come true in my time that they're not worth believing anymore.

Huron black heart wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I think it'd be hilarious if the chaos marine fleet conquered cadia, got ready to roll into the imperium proper, and ran smack-dab into a whole tyranid hive fleet

and then they're all like "WEEERE the big scary threat that's going to eat the imperium!" and they'll go "no WEEEEERE the big scary threat that's going to eat the imperium!!!!" and have a WWE style smackdown match.

And then gazillions of Orks turn up and smash them both

Then the Necrons finish their morning coffee and say "Alright. Let's do this!"

Pouncey wrote:

 alanmckenzie wrote:
Yeah, the lion was the rumour.

I inherently doubt any and all rumors. I've seen enough of them fail to come true in my time that they're not worth believing anymore.

Kind of like those plastic sisters that are never coming even though we now have a photo of a plastic sisters unit?

 EnTyme wrote:
Kind of like those plastic sisters that are never coming even though we now have a photo of a plastic sisters unit?

I believe the photographs.

I don't believe the rumors.

I also don't think that the past decade of semi-annual "plastic Sisters are coming soon!" rumors were prophesizing 2017 as the target year.

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

 andysonic1 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

Man, Guilliman's really let himself go.

Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

I'd love some models with EVA-style full face helmets. I have an idea, and would like a solution that doesn't involve mass-cloning that one DE head.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 andysonic1 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

Man, Guilliman's really let himself go.

Just rescale Creed up to 9" tall.

 Asmodai wrote:

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 andysonic1 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

Man, Guilliman's really let himself go.

Just rescale Creed up to 9" tall.

A GMC-sized Creed would be hilarious too.

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

If it does, I'm hoping for the models from the new regiment being roughly 50-50 male and female. : D

Did Magnus get banished at the end if the Fenris campaign or did he leave? If he is banished, he's out of the fight for the Black Crusade coming up.

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

It would be a great excuse to retire the Cadian line. Cadians will still be present in the universe (in the billions) but it will be nice to see some of the other IG regiments in plastic or entirely new ones. One of the largest draws of the IG for me is the vast number of regiments and how each of them vary not only in appearance but also have very different combat doctrines. Currently that isn't really reflected on the tabletop. 9 times out of 10 you will see Cadian IG players because you cannot buy any of the other regiments in stores and many of the models are OOP entirely.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Did Magnus get banished at the end if the Fenris campaign or did he leave? If he is banished, he's out of the fight for the Black Crusade coming up.

Given GW's old practise of writing their staffers' games into the fluff, and the result of the game the other day, I'd say he was banished by a single Helfrost shot.

Commissar Benny wrote:

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

It would be a great excuse to retire the Cadian line. Cadians will still be present in the universe (in the billions) but it will be nice to see some of the other IG regiments in plastic or entirely new ones. One of the largest draws of the IG for me is the vast number of regiments and how each of them vary not only in appearance but also have very different combat doctrines. Currently that isn't really reflected on the tabletop. 9 times out of 10 you will see Cadian IG players because you cannot buy any of the other regiments in stores and many of the models are OOP entirely.

What happened to the Catachan plastics, exactly?

 Pouncey wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

It would be a great excuse to retire the Cadian line. Cadians will still be present in the universe (in the billions) but it will be nice to see some of the other IG regiments in plastic or entirely new ones. One of the largest draws of the IG for me is the vast number of regiments and how each of them vary not only in appearance but also have very different combat doctrines. Currently that isn't really reflected on the tabletop. 9 times out of 10 you will see Cadian IG players because you cannot buy any of the other regiments in stores and many of the models are OOP entirely.

What happened to the Catachan plastics, exactly?

The catachan as badass as they are, are an intimidating army to start collecting. The amount of skin exposed on catachan is an absolute nightmare to paint. It put me off from collecting the army entirely. I'm sure I am not alone in that. I'd even go as far as to say it is probably the most difficult army to paint in all of 40k. Reasons being, the models are human. We are human. We know what humans are supposed to look like so naturally we are going to be overly critical if said models look off in any way. With so much skin exposed on catachans, there is literally tens of hours of extra work to do per model vs. other IG lines. You need to add scars, tattoo, extra dry brushing for muscles etc etc.

Love the catachan background, but it was a bad choice as an alternative regiment to stock in stores.