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 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The joke was the army won't be heavy enough to give a bear a concussion.

That's an upside rather than a downside for me, personally.

Given that we're probably going to be keeping our old pewter-brick-stapled-to-a-plastic-Rhino Exorcists (because they're fantastic) the army might remain heavy enough to give a smaller animal a concussion. Perhaps a hostile dog.

I'm pretty sure an average human could swing a completely empty model case fast enough to kill a human with repeated blows to the head. Yes, a human could fight back to stop you from hitting them. So could a bear.

Am I the only one who uses soft cases?

 Lansirill wrote:
Am I the only one who uses soft cases?

So then it depends on your particular case. Some people use soft cases. Some people use hard plastic ones like GW makes. Others use high-end aluminum ones.

Ok so dakka was all salty bout chaos players complaining that their army was trash and making fun of them. I mean they did have a good reason to complain.

Now that chaos is half decent I guess people decided they need to pick on somrbody else and nominated the SoB players? I mean some of them are insane complainers that explecitaly needs to say he plays sob in every thread in existence and in my opinion is the god of trolling dakka because I fail to see how someone could be that annoying without being a complete troll master. Other the x person why peeps be bashing da sisers yo.

Be glad they got something. I'm damn happy chaos, sisters and inq are gettig dome sweet loving. Anyways thats my 2 cents.

 drunken0elf wrote:
Ok so dakka was all salty bout chaos players complaining that their army was trash and making fun of them. I mean they did have a good reason to complain.

Now that chaos is half decent I guess people decided they need to pick on somrbody else and nominated the SoB players? I mean some of them are insane complainers that explecitaly needs to say he plays sob in every thread in existence and in my opinion is the god of trolling dakka because I fail to see how someone could be that annoying without being a complete troll master. Other the x person why peeps be bashing da sisers yo.

Be glad they got something. I'm damn happy chaos, sisters and inq are gettig dome sweet loving. Anyways thats my 2 cents.

Erm, I know you didn't explicitly state a name, but given how easily I can see that the people you're talking about could include me, I want to give you my opinion.

Initially, yes, I was very negative about the recent stuff with Sisters of Battle. I wasn't happy about Codex: Imperial Agents or Canoness Veridyan, and I trash-talked them a lot, and not just on Dakka.

But then I do what I do a LOT. I started thinking. Like, actually thinking about things, with the knowledge that I can be wrong about things, because frankly, as a schizophrenic who has suffered from some pretty significant delusions over the years, I have had many occasions on which I had to provide myself with proof that things I believed were true were in fact false, to a degree I could convince myself absolutely. When I believed people were reading my thoughts, I had to come up with a concrete reason that I could not rationalize away, that that was impossible. Eventually I came up with the realization that things like passwords would literally be useless if a human could simply read your mind, so thus, humans could not read minds, since the process for breaking a password is not simply, "Wait until they think of it, then you know their password." As a result of being a schizophrenic who nearly made a complete recovery apart from crippling social anxiety problems (probably as a result of the antipsychotics, actually, as my Risperdal's documentation warns about the possibility the meds can cause social anxiety problems, and it was literally the only symptom to persist (social anxiety is also a symptom of schizophrenia, and one I had a lot of)), I'm probably one of the most rational and objective humans on the planet, and I am fully prepared to accept that I might be wrong about something if the reason I'm wrong is good enough. When I find out I'm wrong about something in an argument, I don't get mad or deny it or keep claiming something false, I just move on to another part of the argument. Many people have called this "moving the goalposts" because they misunderstand the logical fallacy they're referring to, and what they're calling "moving the goalposts" is more like not choosing to end the game immediately after one team scores a goal.

And the more I thought about it, the better I felt about the recent news about Sisters of Battle. It is literally the best news we could have reasonably asked for. We have a printed Codex. Jesus Christ, that is monumental on its own, because that is something I have not been able to say for literally five years, since 5e, and even then my printed Codex was from 3e, and was written eight years earlier. The loss of Celestine is acceptable, because it damned sure isn't the first time models have been invalidated by a change to a Codex, and I'll get used to not using her eventually. We are getting new models, slowly, yes, but that's how GW works nowadays, and there's no real reason to assume they'll just stop after Celestine, without assuming that they never intend to provide new models under any circumstances, which is factually incorrect since we can already buy one right now and a WD leak strongly implies Celestine will follow next month. Kirby being ousted as CEO earlier this year resulted in MANY changes to GW's policies, and it's entirely possible that the neglect was a result of his policies, which could easily have been changed as well.

And yes, I have been very negative within the past month. However, there is NOTHING I can do to take those words back, and now I have changed my mind about the situation. Are people not allowed to change their minds when they realize they were viewing the situation incorrectly earlier?

Does it really matter what they do in the end?

They've always been one of the consistently least popular armies. Even Daemonhunters when they were all metal were still more popular. I doubt this release will make much for them too. They'd literally have been better off squatting them instead of wasting shelf space that could go to new Guard or Marine or Eldar kits.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does it really matter what they do in the end?

They've always been one of the consistently least popular armies. Even Daemonhunters when they were all metal were still more popular. I doubt this release will make much for them too. They'd literally have been better off squatting them instead of wasting shelf space that could go to new Guard or Marine or Eldar kits.

Frankly, I don't really mind being the least popular army when it comes down to it. My enjoyment of the game is not really impacted by how many OTHER people play my army.

So long as the army is supported enough to get new models every so often (there are plenty of Sisters players who would actually be happier never getting plastic models, since they enjoy the weight of the models. Personally I want plastics because they're easier to do kitbashing and conversions with, and if I liked metal models I wouldn't be mad at all, except maybe at previously-available stuff going OOP) I really don't care about which slot after Space Marines my army falls on the popularity chart.

For me, frankly, it's never been about the army being unpopular. It's entirely been about not having plastic models to do conversions with. I'm happy because I might be getting those relatively soon. Other people are unhappy because me getting plastics will mean the metal ones they like will go OOP. Others couldn't care either way and are more concerned about the lore. And no one of those opinions is objectively more valid than any of the others.

 Pouncey wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does it really matter what they do in the end?

They've always been one of the consistently least popular armies. Even Daemonhunters when they were all metal were still more popular. I doubt this release will make much for them too. They'd literally have been better off squatting them instead of wasting shelf space that could go to new Guard or Marine or Eldar kits.

Frankly, I don't really mind being the least popular army when it comes down to it. My enjoyment of the game is not really impacted by how many OTHER people play my army.

So long as the army is supported enough to get new models every so often (there are plenty of Sisters players who would actually be happier never getting plastic models, since they enjoy the weight of the models. Personally I want plastics because they're easier to do kitbashing and conversions with, and if I liked metal models I wouldn't be mad at all, except maybe at previously-available stuff going OOP) I really don't care about which slot after Space Marines my army falls on the popularity chart.

For me, frankly, it's never been about the army being unpopular. It's entirely been about not having plastic models to do conversions with. I'm happy because I might be getting those relatively soon. Other people are unhappy because me getting plastics will mean the metal ones they like will go OOP. Others couldn't care either way and are more concerned about the lore. And no one of those opinions is objectively more valid than any of the others.

My point is that they shouldn't have bothered supporting the army. Nobody plays them. Everyone likes to cite Dark Eldar and that's not a good example, because that didn't exactly make them a lot of money either and nobody plays them still. Like Sisters, Dark Eldar are better off just being deleted with the exception of keeping 1-2 units in the Eldar codex or for Corsairs.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
My point is that they shouldn't have bothered supporting the army. Nobody plays them. Everyone likes to cite Dark Eldar and that's not a good example, because that didn't exactly make them a lot of money either and nobody plays them still. Like Sisters, Dark Eldar are better off just being deleted with the exception of keeping 1-2 units in the Eldar codex or for Corsairs.

Okay, but at that point you're literally advocating just squatting all unpopular armies.

There's a phrase I really, REALLY want to type here. It's only three words long, but I can't include it due to the politeness rule. Feel free to use your imagination as to what three words those might be.

 Pouncey wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
My point is that they shouldn't have bothered supporting the army. Nobody plays them. Everyone likes to cite Dark Eldar and that's not a good example, because that didn't exactly make them a lot of money either and nobody plays them still. Like Sisters, Dark Eldar are better off just being deleted with the exception of keeping 1-2 units in the Eldar codex or for Corsairs.

Okay, but at that point you're literally advocating just squatting all unpopular armies.

There's a phrase I really, REALLY want to type here. It's only three words long, but I can't include it due to the politeness rule. Feel free to use your imagination as to what three words those might be.

Yes I am because they're a waste of time for the majority of players and a waste of time for GW themselves. DE and SoB need to be squatted, AdMech needs consolidation into one codex, Harlequins and MT didn't need to be anything but a couple FOC's or formations for their parent codices, and Blood Angels and Dark Angels can easily be handled by a Chapter Tactic system. Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves get the exception. Then you got FW to handle the more niche stuff.

Also I don't care what the three words are because this is the Internet.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yes I am because they're a waste of time for the majority of players and a waste of time for GW themselves. DE and SoB need to be squatted, AdMech needs consolidation into one codex, Harlequins and MT didn't need to be anything but a couple FOC's or formations for their parent codices, and Blood Angels and Dark Angels can easily be handled by a Chapter Tactic system. Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves get the exception. Then you got FW to handle the more niche stuff.

Also I don't care what the three words are because this is the Internet.

I'm gonna guess that one of two things is true.

A-Your own army is not in danger of being unpopular enough to be Squatted
B-You enjoy a wide enough variety of armies you would be capable of enjoying the game even if most of the armies you are willing to play are squatted

 Pouncey wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yes I am because they're a waste of time for the majority of players and a waste of time for GW themselves. DE and SoB need to be squatted, AdMech needs consolidation into one codex, Harlequins and MT didn't need to be anything but a couple FOC's or formations for their parent codices, and Blood Angels and Dark Angels can easily be handled by a Chapter Tactic system. Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves get the exception. Then you got FW to handle the more niche stuff.

Also I don't care what the three words are because this is the Internet.

I'm gonna guess that one of two things is true.

A-Your own army is not in danger of being unpopular enough to be Squatted
B-You enjoy a wide enough variety of armies you would be capable of enjoying the game even if most of the armies you are willing to play are squatted

I play Necrons (which is very middle of the road outside being mildly popular in tournaments), Skitarii, and have about 1000 points of old school metal Daemonhunters in storage out of state. All my Marines and a majority of my Necrons were lost in a fire and otherwise I borrow models for the most part because I cannot fully explain how many points of models perished.

Otherwise, the setting and armies is fine. I'll never make an army of Eldar, IG, etc, because I don't care for the rule sets. However, there are unnecessary armies like SoB and DE that take away from potential kits for armies that people overall actually care about or matter for the setting.

That's another good point now that I think about it. The SoB codex is middle tier (if youre not playing it like you want to) and nobody uses it. It is because the army itself is unappealing.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yes I am because they're a waste of time for the majority of players and a waste of time for GW themselves. DE and SoB need to be squatted, AdMech needs consolidation into one codex, Harlequins and MT didn't need to be anything but a couple FOC's or formations for their parent codices, and Blood Angels and Dark Angels can easily be handled by a Chapter Tactic system. Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves get the exception. Then you got FW to handle the more niche stuff.

Also I don't care what the three words are because this is the Internet.

I'm gonna guess that one of two things is true.

A-Your own army is not in danger of being unpopular enough to be Squatted
B-You enjoy a wide enough variety of armies you would be capable of enjoying the game even if most of the armies you are willing to play are squatted

I play Necrons (which is very middle of the road outside being mildly popular in tournaments), Skitarii, and have about 1000 points of old school metal Daemonhunters in storage out of state. All my Marines and a majority of my Necrons were lost in a fire and otherwise I borrow models for the most part because I cannot fully explain how many points of models perished.

Otherwise, the setting and armies is fine. I'll never make an army of Eldar, IG, etc, because I don't care for the rule sets. However, there are unnecessary armies like SoB and DE that take away from potential kits for armies that people overall actually care about or matter for the setting.

That's another good point now that I think about it. The SoB codex is middle tier (if youre not playing it like you want to) and nobody uses it. It is because the army itself is unappealing.

So B then? Thought so. You made enough exceptions that I wasn't willing to assume you played any one particular army.

Also, I'm pretty sure that at least part of the army's unpopularity stemmed from the fact that a single Troops choice costing about 200 pts or so and consisting of 10 infantry and 1 transport vehicle costs about 130 CAD plus taxes. Seriously, go look at the prices of Sisters of Battle models on GW's sites and remember that those squads cost LESS points than Space Marines do,so you need MORE of them to meet the same points limit for a game than Space Marines do.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Otherwise, the setting and armies is fine. I'll never make an army of Eldar, IG, etc, because I don't care for the rule sets. However, there are unnecessary armies like SoB and DE that take away from potential kits for armies that people overall actually care about or matter for the setting.

You say that, but look how well Dark Eldar sold after their revamp in 5th. The reason they're not selling now is because their rules suck. Hard to care about an army whose rules suck.

That's another good point now that I think about it. The SoB codex is middle tier (if youre not playing it like you want to) and nobody uses it. It is because the army itself is unappealing.

That's one way of looking at it. The thing to remember is, if you SoB the "middle tier" way, you're talking 50-odd Sororitas alongside 8-12 Immolators and 0-3 Exorcists. That's nearly a grand for a middle tier army if you're starting from scratch. I don't think so.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Battle-Sisters-Squad

I plugged this squad and its precise loadout (which no competent player would EVER use, given how worthless Stormbolters are as a squad's special weapon, I use my Stormbolter models as Sister Superiors) into Battlescribe and found it costs 160pts. It costs 100 dollars to buy, and you don't get to choose a single thing about the models in the squad unless you want to start cutting apart solid, monopose metal models whose concept of "assembly" consists of gluing together 3 pieces: the backpack, the base, and everything else. Taxes in my location run me about an extra 15%, so that bumps the price up to 115 dollars or so.


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 BBAP wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Otherwise, the setting and armies is fine. I'll never make an army of Eldar, IG, etc, because I don't care for the rule sets. However, there are unnecessary armies like SoB and DE that take away from potential kits for armies that people overall actually care about or matter for the setting.

You say that, but look how well Dark Eldar sold after their revamp in 5th. The reason they're not selling now is because their rules suck. Hard to care about an army whose rules suck.

That's another good point now that I think about it. The SoB codex is middle tier (if youre not playing it like you want to) and nobody uses it. It is because the army itself is unappealing.

That's one way of looking at it. The thing to remember is, if you SoB the "middle tier" way, you're talking 50-odd Sororitas alongside 8-12 Immolators and 0-3 Exorcists. That's nearly a grand for a middle tier army if you're starting from scratch. I don't think so.

Sisters of Battle come in minimums of 5 per squad. Immolators are dedicated transports. If you're taking 12 Immolators, you're taking at least 60 Sororitas.

Also, why would you ever take 0 Exorcists? We literally have no other long-range anti-vehicle weapons.

Bruh we can't just delete entire armies because ''nobody plays them''. Theres angood damn reason nobody plays them, its because gw neglected the heck out of them. Imagine if gw decided that feth the space marines for 10 years and they aint getting any releases. Everybody is going to quit playing them thats for sure.

Not because something is unpopular that we need to scrape it out. Wheres the variety at? If i want to be playing space marines vs space marines ill be playing 30k. Inq, sob, dark eldar just bring flavor to the game. Playing the same thing over and over again might get repetive. Look at orks. Everybody lobes playing vs orks yet its extremely rare to get to play vs orks because they're so god damned trash.

And off topic, pouncey you keep beong yourtself you beautiful creature. <3 may the dakka gods be ever with you.

 Pouncey wrote:
Also, why would you ever take 0 Exorcists?

Because you have 12 TLMM Immolators with 2 Meltaguns in them apiece, 2-4 of which are Outflanking or Scouting. Also, gorgeous as it is, the GW Exorcist is a pain in the arse to assemble. Yes I know FW do an alternate turret, but I want "Exorcist", not "gakky Whirlwind".

We literally have no other long-range anti-vehicle weapons.

But Sisters are a close-range shooting army whose best build involves filling the table with LoS-blocking vehicles that become LoS-blocking terrain when they die. Long range weapons don't synergise well with that. You want stuff that can move around or through the terrain so stuff isn't getting hull-down cover saves and Jetbikes aren't hiding behind your wrecks. That's not what Exorcists are built to do.

Exorcists tend to help a little with mcs and such too, sometimes flyers... Also screw that alternate turret, it's just the rocket pods from the valkyrie; using a whirlwind and an immolator kit looks better than that.

 Pouncey wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Battle-Sisters-Squad

I plugged this squad and its precise loadout (which no competent player would EVER use, given how worthless Stormbolters are as a squad's special weapon, I use my Stormbolter models as Sister Superiors) into Battlescribe and found it costs 160pts. It costs 100 dollars to buy, and you don't get to choose a single thing about the models in the squad unless you want to start cutting apart solid, monopose metal models whose concept of "assembly" consists of gluing together 3 pieces: the backpack, the base, and everything else. Taxes in my location run me about an extra 15%, so that bumps the price up to 115 dollars or so.

Wait, it has a meltagun now? Used to be a flamer.
Problem I had with the box other than what you mentioned and the even higher price was this.

 n0t_u wrote:
Wait, it has a meltagun now? Used to be a flamer.

They redid all the squad kits at the start of December.

The Retributor kit is actually 100% useless for creating a Retributor Squad if you want to make an effective army. Literally, every model, completely useless.

Well, unless you want to just use a stock weapon loadout on your Superior. Then I guess you could use one model as the Superior.


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 BBAP wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Also, why would you ever take 0 Exorcists?

Because you have 12 TLMM Immolators with 2 Meltaguns in them apiece, 2-4 of which are Outflanking or Scouting. Also, gorgeous as it is, the GW Exorcist is a pain in the arse to assemble. Yes I know FW do an alternate turret, but I want "Exorcist", not "gakky Whirlwind".

Hmm, given the FOC chart, you COULD have 12 Immolators AND 3 Exorcists in the same lists, but then you'd need to take 15 units out of a total maximum of 18 in all standard slots. At that point, you're getting very, very close to armies being so large in standard games that they'd probably have to expand the standard FOC with extra slots.

Good point. 12 Immolators probably does mean you're taking 0 Exorcists.

We literally have no other long-range anti-vehicle weapons.

But Sisters are a close-range shooting army whose best build involves filling the table with LoS-blocking vehicles that become LoS-blocking terrain when they die. Long range weapons don't synergise well with that. You want stuff that can move around or through the terrain so stuff isn't getting hull-down cover saves and Jetbikes aren't hiding behind your wrecks. That's not what Exorcists are built to do.

We don't really expect Exorcists to synergize with anything. We expect them to hit things that are out of range of our other units.


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 drunken0elf wrote:
Bruh we can't just delete entire armies because ''nobody plays them''. Theres angood damn reason nobody plays them, its because gw neglected the heck out of them. Imagine if gw decided that feth the space marines for 10 years and they aint getting any releases. Everybody is going to quit playing them thats for sure.

Not because something is unpopular that we need to scrape it out. Wheres the variety at? If i want to be playing space marines vs space marines ill be playing 30k. Inq, sob, dark eldar just bring flavor to the game. Playing the same thing over and over again might get repetive. Look at orks. Everybody lobes playing vs orks yet its extremely rare to get to play vs orks because they're so god damned trash.

And off topic, pouncey you keep beong yourtself you beautiful creature. <3 may the dakka gods be ever with you.

13. 13 years.

Before Veridyan, our youngest sculpts were teenagers and our oldest were old enough to vote.

Pouncey wrote:Also, why would you ever take 0 Exorcists? We literally have no other long-range anti-vehicle weapons.

Scouting Dominions puts you at midfield before 1st turn. Unless they deploy less than 6" from the table edge you should be able to nuke somebody into a special snowflake that turn. Bring six.

Some formations in FoCadia would be nice. My Raven Guard got some love. My Iron Warriors got some love. My Tzeentch Daemons got some love. My Night Lords got some love. My Death Guard got a lot of love.

If SoB have to get blown to pooh in the fluff to get rules this time I am all for it. Unless the rules suck, then I will blame all you newb SoB players for breaking rule #1. Then I will keep burning Heretics.

 dracpanzer wrote:

Pouncey wrote:Also, why would you ever take 0 Exorcists? We literally have no other long-range anti-vehicle weapons.

Scouting Dominions puts you at midfield before 1st turn. Unless they deploy less than 6" from the table edge you should be able to nuke somebody into a special snowflake that turn. Bring six.

It's starting to occur to me that maybe the reason I keep getting tabled by turn 4 after 10 years of playing Sisters is that I simply never learned to play the game well.


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 dracpanzer wrote:
If SoB have to get blown to pooh in the fluff to get rules this time I am all for it. Unless the rules suck, then I will blame all you newb SoB players for breaking rule #1. Then I will keep burning Heretics.

The only occasion in which casualties in the lore resulted in rules changes was the time when GW made a conscious decision to write the Squats out of the setting. Other than that, both lore and rules have been considered secondary to selling models.

I also believe that if I want to read quality fiction, I'm not going to find it in any sort of gaming industry, and I should probably just go read some Baen sci-fi instead because their writers have to impress Baen enough to get published. And I might learn some stuff about physics too, given Baen's rules about what works they accept and reject.

 Pouncey wrote:
Good point. 12 Immolators probably does mean you're taking 0 Exorcists.

At 1850pts it does, although if you run dual CADs you can pack a respectable number of Immos in around 4 Exorcists at that level - but that's not the army I play, and I don't think it's necessarily the best way to run SoB. Not a bad way by any means - they're still Exorcists, after all - but not the best way.

We don't really expect Exorcists to synergize with anything. We expect them to hit things that are out of range of our other units.

Are you one of those gun-line footslogging Sisters players who lines their models up at the edge of the deployment zone? If so, I have some exciting news for you that will revolutionise the way you play this army.

 BBAP wrote:
Are you one of those gun-line footslogging Sisters players who lines their models up at the edge of the deployment zone? If so, I have some exciting news for you that will revolutionise the way you play this army.

No.

I'm the kind who moves my Battle Sisters Squads within charge range of mobs of Ork Boyz, intending to rapid-fire into them when they crest the hill that is blocking my line of sight, because on occasion I forget to treat this game as "turn based" instead of "real time".

HAHAHAHAHHA....

"Lets delete anything that I think isnt popular"
Can we delete him from the forum? B.c he isnt popular atm XD

AFI Im a avid DE player, with 15k+ points. There are more DE armies in tournaments than your would think. Its an amazing aesthetic army, just b.c you dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt sale, we can't see GW army sales, so you dont know if players are buying them or not.

Ok Ok on topic
But I dont take Exorcist, They never do enough for me, tho with the New Canoness coming out and the Bubble it gives out, I might give it a try again.

It's starting to occur to me that maybe the reason I keep getting tabled by turn 4 after 10 years of playing Sisters is that I simply never learned to play the game well.

How do you get tabled playing Sisters of Battle? My Sororitas have had some pretty spectacular trouncings since I started 40k-ing again in October, but I've never even come close to being tabled. I'm not even sure how it would be possible, unless you're playing blobs without Priests and forgetting to Overwatch so they get Swept.

 BBAP wrote:

It's starting to occur to me that maybe the reason I keep getting tabled by turn 4 after 10 years of playing Sisters is that I simply never learned to play the game well.

How do you get tabled playing Sisters of Battle? My Sororitas have had some pretty spectacular trouncings since I started 40k-ing again in October, but I've never even come close to being tabled. I'm not even sure how it would be possible, unless you're playing blobs without Priests and forgetting to Overwatch so they get Swept.

I think my previous post answers the "how" pretty solidly.

 Pouncey wrote:
No.

I'm the kind who moves my Battle Sisters Squads within charge range of mobs of Ork Boyz, intending to rapid-fire into them when they crest the hill that is blocking my line of sight, because on occasion I forget to treat this game as "turn based" instead of "real time".

I see the problem now. HF Rets in Immolators will sort that for you. Also everything in Immolators. Especially Dominions.

PS: Immolators.

 BBAP wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
No.

I'm the kind who moves my Battle Sisters Squads within charge range of mobs of Ork Boyz, intending to rapid-fire into them when they crest the hill that is blocking my line of sight, because on occasion I forget to treat this game as "turn based" instead of "real time".

I see the problem now. HF Rets in Immolators will sort that for you. Also everything in Immolators. Especially Dominions.

PS: Immolators.

I have 2 lists, 1 with 12 immolators spam, another with a Knight and still 7-9 Immolators and 2-3 rhinos.

I love scouting Immolators

 BBAP wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
No.

I'm the kind who moves my Battle Sisters Squads within charge range of mobs of Ork Boyz, intending to rapid-fire into them when they crest the hill that is blocking my line of sight, because on occasion I forget to treat this game as "turn based" instead of "real time".

I see the problem now. HF Rets in Immolators will sort that for you. Also everything in Immolators. Especially Dominions.

PS: Immolators.

Generally I got the idea that Immolators are important when you mentioned a standard list having up to 12 of them.

Any vehicle you include 12 of is god damned important beyond the point of simply requiring back-ups. At that point you're having back-ups for your back-ups' back-ups. Though I do recall that the intention is that they will simply provide mobile LOS-blocking terrain to clog the battlefield with so many tanks the enemy can't shoot you.

As such, my next purchase for my army, which I will order at the same time I buy the new Codex, will be a veritable crapload of Immolators,because I only have 2 or 3 right now and I run my list as footsloggers. I will also purchase a sizable number of Heavy Flamer models.

Yes, I do recognize I have been playing the army ENTIRELY wrong, hence my plan to correct it.

Any other suggestions? I'm not attached enough to Exorcists to insist on using them if they're not needed.

Pray to the God Emperor FW brings repressors back?