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Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
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Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
Point of correction... there's no evidence that the RNC data was leaked/hacked to wiki.
Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
That is a dumb assessment. They released a ton of stuff, made their name really, releasing stuff against Bush. Assange is an anarchist, he enjoys bringing down any gov't in power he can, he doesn't give a crap about singling out any US political party. I suspect his source did not have RNC stuff to release. The RNC hacking was more limited (in part due to RNC members not falling for phishing attempts), but the info taken was released by DC Leaks ( http://dcleaks.com/index.php/portfolio_page/the-united-states-republican-party/ ). RNC also asked for and received FBI aid in securing their servers. Podesta falling for a targeted phishing attempt has nothing to do with the RNC folks NOT doing so.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
So yes, I stand corrected, and await further information.
...WikiLeaks, however, are still hacks.
Also... the whole irony is, what the feth does Assange know? He's trapped in London in the Equadorian (??) embassy, not because other nations are "out to get him"... but, because he doesn't want to be extradited back home to face sexual assault charges.
I bet money that the DNC data was leaked to Russian operatives, which then gave it to wikileak to wreck havoc in US election seasons.
The Podesta email was definitely a hack, as it was traced to a phishing scam. (never, EVER transmit your PASSWORD in an email reply people!).
Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
That is a dumb assessment. They released a ton of stuff, made their name really, releasing stuff against Bush. Assange is an anarchist, he enjoys bringing down any gov't in power he can, he doesn't give a crap about singling out any US political party. I suspect his source did not have RNC stuff to release. The RNC hacking was more limited (in part due to RNC members not falling for phishing attempts), but the info taken was released by DC Leaks ( http://dcleaks.com/index.php/portfolio_page/the-united-states-republican-party/ ). RNC also asked for and received FBI aid in securing their servers. Podesta falling for a targeted phishing attempt has nothing to do with the RNC folks NOT doing so.
Read my links. The RNC was, indeed, hacked. And are you seriously saying Assange wouldn't support Trump? Trump will do more to kill the US government than any amount of leaks could. It's in his best interest to support Trump.
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Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
That is a dumb assessment. They released a ton of stuff, made their name really, releasing stuff against Bush. Assange is an anarchist, he enjoys bringing down any gov't in power he can, he doesn't give a crap about singling out any US political party. I suspect his source did not have RNC stuff to release. The RNC hacking was more limited (in part due to RNC members not falling for phishing attempts), but the info taken was released by DC Leaks ( http://dcleaks.com/index.php/portfolio_page/the-united-states-republican-party/ ). RNC also asked for and received FBI aid in securing their servers. Podesta falling for a targeted phishing attempt has nothing to do with the RNC folks NOT doing so.
While this is true, it's not a stretch to imagine that if wiki or the Russians did have the dirty laundry of the RNC, they would have withheld it to enable their preferred candidate.
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Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
Has it occured to you that the reason why Wikileaks didn't release anti-Trump information is because nobody gives a damn or that because Trump already pre-emptied them?
Example, say Wikileaks had explosive footage about Trump saying bad things about women and Mexicans, that might have damaged his election chances.
Well, Trump already said bad things about women and Mexicans, and the American public's response was to vote him in!
If I have evidence proving that person X is an idiot, and person X admits to being an idiot, with no negative effect on their prospects, what the hell can you do?
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Ack. Yes, it's true that Trump's cult pushed him to victory, but more severe leaks could have made moderate Republicans stay home. Would it have flipped the election? Doubtful, but it's always worth trying.
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I'm not convinced Assange knows who/what the original source of his info is. In the past he and his crew have worked hard to allow anonymity of their sources. He does claim this one was from an inside leak, but there is no real confirmation. There is plenty of evidence CozyBear and the other group were successful in hacking via phishing attempts in 2015 and 2016. There is no evidence release that shows they were directed by Russian intel, though they do both have relationships with GRU and a couple other Russian agencies.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
So yes, I stand corrected, and await further information.
...WikiLeaks, however, are still hacks.
Also... the whole irony is, what the feth does Assange know? He's trapped in London in the Equadorian (??) embassy, not because other nations are "out to get him"... but, because he doesn't want to be extradited back home to face sexual assault charges.
I bet money that the DNC data was leaked to Russian operatives, which then gave it to wikileak to wreck havoc in US election seasons.
The Podesta email was definitely a hack, as it was traced to a phishing scam. (never, EVER transmit your PASSWORD in an email reply people!).
Slightly OT, but Assange has offered many a time to let the Swedish prosecutors interview him in London, and indeed, the Ecuadorian government has also tried to arrange it as well, in the role of honest broker, but Sweden seems to be making excuses not to take up the offer.
I'm not passing judgement on Assange's guilt or innocence, but there's more going on behind the scenes than we know.
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Verviedi wrote: Ack. Yes, it's true that Trump's cult pushed him to victory, but more severe leaks could have made moderate Republicans stay home. Would it have flipped the election? Doubtful, but it's always worth trying.
I don't doubt the Russians tried to hack into the US election, but I'm not buying this idea that it influenced the election.
Clinton was an awful candidate, who was always going to lose IMO. Yes, I admit that I predicted a Clinton victory months ago, but after Brexit, I knew the game was up for Clinton and adjusted my opinion accordingly.
America is ready for a female Commander in Chief, but it's any woman but Clinton is what my reading is of the situation.
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Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
That is a dumb assessment. They released a ton of stuff, made their name really, releasing stuff against Bush. Assange is an anarchist, he enjoys bringing down any gov't in power he can, he doesn't give a crap about singling out any US political party. I suspect his source did not have RNC stuff to release. The RNC hacking was more limited (in part due to RNC members not falling for phishing attempts), but the info taken was released by DC Leaks ( http://dcleaks.com/index.php/portfolio_page/the-united-states-republican-party/ ). RNC also asked for and received FBI aid in securing their servers. Podesta falling for a targeted phishing attempt has nothing to do with the RNC folks NOT doing so.
While this is true, it's not a stretch to imagine that if wiki or the Russians did have the dirty laundry of the RNC, they would have withheld it to enable their preferred candidate.
I think it is a stretch, because I don't think Assange HAD a preferred candidate. I think he enjoyed seeing DNC collusion with the press confirmed and if he had similar info on the RNC which could have further brought the legitimacy of the main political parties into question he would have released it. Frankly I think the same as the Russians. Putin did phenomenally well after Obama/Sec State Clinton 'reset'. Obama got busted telling Medvedev he 'would have more flexibility' after the 2012 elections. Putin took the Ds to task and upped his game in Crimea, Ukraine and Syria. He is at a massive advantage if the US Syria policy stays as is, as it very likely would have under Clinton.
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
Has it occured to you that the reason why Wikileaks didn't release anti-Trump information is because nobody gives a damn or that because Trump already pre-emptied them?
Example, say Wikileaks had explosive footage about Trump saying bad things about women and Mexicans, that might have damaged his election chances.
Well, Trump already said bad things about women and Mexicans, and the American public's response was to vote him in!
If I have evidence proving that person X is an idiot, and person X admits to being an idiot, with no negative effect on their prospects, what the hell can you do?
A. We are talking about the DNC and the RNC, not Trump and Clinton.
and
B. Trump doesn't like computers and refuses to use email.
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Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
Point of correction... there's no evidence that the RNC data was leaked/hacked to wiki.
Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
Has it occured to you that the reason why Wikileaks didn't release anti-Trump information is because nobody gives a damn or that because Trump already pre-emptied them?
Example, say Wikileaks had explosive footage about Trump saying bad things about women and Mexicans, that might have damaged his election chances.
Well, Trump already said bad things about women and Mexicans, and the American public's response was to vote him in!
If I have evidence proving that person X is an idiot, and person X admits to being an idiot, with no negative effect on their prospects, what the hell can you do?
A. We are talking about the DNC and the RNC, not Trump and Clinton.
and
B. Trump doesn't like computers and refuses to use email.
Assuming Russia did have leaks on the RNC, what would it accomplish? There's no one to really take down. Trump was universally either loved or hated and no other candidate was really in his class popularity wise.
Verviedi wrote: Wikileaks are a bunch of disgusting, partisan hacks. Only releasing their DNC data, and hiding their RNC data away, sealed the deal for me. Complete corruption of their so-called fairness. Sad!
Has it occured to you that the reason why Wikileaks didn't release anti-Trump information is because nobody gives a damn or that because Trump already pre-emptied them?
Example, say Wikileaks had explosive footage about Trump saying bad things about women and Mexicans, that might have damaged his election chances.
Well, Trump already said bad things about women and Mexicans, and the American public's response was to vote him in!
If I have evidence proving that person X is an idiot, and person X admits to being an idiot, with no negative effect on their prospects, what the hell can you do?
A. We are talking about the DNC and the RNC, not Trump and Clinton.
and
B. Trump doesn't like computers and refuses to use email.
Assuming Russia did have leaks on the RNC, what would it accomplish? There's no one to really take down. Trump was universally either loved or hated and no other candidate was really in his class popularity wise.
Exactly. I'm reminded of the funny quote from Hot Shots part 2
Aide: Your opponents will try and use this to prove that your incompetent.
President Tug Benson (Lloyd Bridges) I can prove I'm incompetent as well as the next man.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
While this is true, it's not a stretch to imagine that if wiki or the Russians did have the dirty laundry of the RNC, they would have withheld it to enable their preferred candidate.
I think it is a stretch, because I don't think Assange HAD a preferred candidate. I think he enjoyed seeing DNC collusion with the press confirmed and if he had similar info on the RNC which could have further brought the legitimacy of the main political parties into question he would have released it. Frankly I think the same as the Russians. Putin did phenomenally well after Obama/Sec State Clinton 'reset'. Obama got busted telling Medvedev he 'would have more flexibility' after the 2012 elections. Putin took the Ds to task and upped his game in Crimea, Ukraine and Syria. He is at a massive advantage if the US Syria policy stays as is, as it very likely would have under Clinton.
You may be right regarding Assange, I don't know anything about his personal motivations. It makes sense to me however, that he could have a personal grudge against the very establishment-HRC, and that he would view a Trump presidency as furthering his goals of de-legitimising the existing political process.
Putin very definitely wanted a Trump presidency. He and HRC have a long history of animosity, and HRC is as savvy and shrewd as he is. On the other hand, Trump is the ideal useful idiot. He's a thin-skinned clown who thinks he is a genius. Putin is going to lead Trump around by the nose.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Clinton was an awful candidate, who was always going to lose IMO. Yes, I admit that I predicted a Clinton victory months ago, but after Brexit, I knew the game was up for Clinton and adjusted my opinion accordingly.
America is ready for a female Commander in Chief, but it's any woman but Clinton is what my reading is of the situation.
That's a pretty weird conclusion after Clinton won the popular vote and lost a razor-close election.
Less than 100k votes out of 120 million going the other way (or simply staying home on election day) in a few key-states and HRC win the election. Hardly a candidate who was "always going to lose".
While this is true, it's not a stretch to imagine that if wiki or the Russians did have the dirty laundry of the RNC, they would have withheld it to enable their preferred candidate.
I think it is a stretch, because I don't think Assange HAD a preferred candidate. I think he enjoyed seeing DNC collusion with the press confirmed and if he had similar info on the RNC which could have further brought the legitimacy of the main political parties into question he would have released it. Frankly I think the same as the Russians. Putin did phenomenally well after Obama/Sec State Clinton 'reset'. Obama got busted telling Medvedev he 'would have more flexibility' after the 2012 elections. Putin took the Ds to task and upped his game in Crimea, Ukraine and Syria. He is at a massive advantage if the US Syria policy stays as is, as it very likely would have under Clinton.
You may be right regarding Assange, I don't know anything about his personal motivations. It makes sense to me however, that he could have a personal grudge against the very establishment-HRC, and that he would view a Trump presidency as furthering his goals of de-legitimising the existing political process.
Putin very definitely wanted a Trump presidency. He and HRC have a long history of animosity, and HRC is as savvy and shrewd as he is. On the other hand, Trump is the ideal useful idiot. He's a thin-skinned clown who thinks he is a genius. Putin is going to lead Trump around by the nose.
You can't know that for sure...
It's accepted that the Russians (and other state actors) has hacked Clinton's own private email server.... there's a treasure trove of blackmail material there, such that, it's equally likely that Russia didn't care who'd win. A useful idiot in Trump or a blackmail-able Clinton Presidency.
While this is true, it's not a stretch to imagine that if wiki or the Russians did have the dirty laundry of the RNC, they would have withheld it to enable their preferred candidate.
I think it is a stretch, because I don't think Assange HAD a preferred candidate. I think he enjoyed seeing DNC collusion with the press confirmed and if he had similar info on the RNC which could have further brought the legitimacy of the main political parties into question he would have released it. Frankly I think the same as the Russians. Putin did phenomenally well after Obama/Sec State Clinton 'reset'. Obama got busted telling Medvedev he 'would have more flexibility' after the 2012 elections. Putin took the Ds to task and upped his game in Crimea, Ukraine and Syria. He is at a massive advantage if the US Syria policy stays as is, as it very likely would have under Clinton.
You may be right regarding Assange, I don't know anything about his personal motivations. It makes sense to me however, that he could have a personal grudge against the very establishment-HRC, and that he would view a Trump presidency as furthering his goals of de-legitimising the existing political process.
Putin very definitely wanted a Trump presidency. He and HRC have a long history of animosity, and HRC is as savvy and shrewd as he is. On the other hand, Trump is the ideal useful idiot. He's a thin-skinned clown who thinks he is a genius. Putin is going to lead Trump around by the nose.
It's also worth remembering that in 8 years of Obama, the USA has never seen such an all out attack on leaks and whistleblowers in all its history, including excessive use of the Espionage act, and it's likely that a President Clinton would have continued Obama's policy on this.
Perhaps Wikileaks thought that maybe it would get a clean slate from a wildcard like Trump or at least a sofetening of the war against whistleblowers?
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Clinton was an awful candidate, who was always going to lose IMO. Yes, I admit that I predicted a Clinton victory months ago, but after Brexit, I knew the game was up for Clinton and adjusted my opinion accordingly.
America is ready for a female Commander in Chief, but it's any woman but Clinton is what my reading is of the situation.
That's a pretty weird conclusion after Clinton won the popular vote and lost a razor-close election.
Less than 100k votes out of 120 million going the other way (or simply staying home on election day) in a few key-states and HRC win the election. Hardly a candidate who was "always going to lose".
National popular vote is meaningless.
What was gobsmackingly crazy was that Clinton lost states that she thought were safely in her corner.
Clinton was an awful candidate, who was always going to lose IMO. Yes, I admit that I predicted a Clinton victory months ago, but after Brexit, I knew the game was up for Clinton and adjusted my opinion accordingly.
America is ready for a female Commander in Chief, but it's any woman but Clinton is what my reading is of the situation.
That's a pretty weird conclusion after Clinton won the popular vote and lost a razor-close election.
Less than 100k votes out of 120 million going the other way (or simply staying home on election day) in a few key-states and HRC win the election. Hardly a candidate who was "always going to lose".
But she lost to Trump. How bad do you have to be to lose to Trump, regardless of what system was used?
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
While this is true, it's not a stretch to imagine that if wiki or the Russians did have the dirty laundry of the RNC, they would have withheld it to enable their preferred candidate.
I think it is a stretch, because I don't think Assange HAD a preferred candidate. I think he enjoyed seeing DNC collusion with the press confirmed and if he had similar info on the RNC which could have further brought the legitimacy of the main political parties into question he would have released it. Frankly I think the same as the Russians. Putin did phenomenally well after Obama/Sec State Clinton 'reset'. Obama got busted telling Medvedev he 'would have more flexibility' after the 2012 elections. Putin took the Ds to task and upped his game in Crimea, Ukraine and Syria. He is at a massive advantage if the US Syria policy stays as is, as it very likely would have under Clinton.
You may be right regarding Assange, I don't know anything about his personal motivations. It makes sense to me however, that he could have a personal grudge against the very establishment-HRC, and that he would view a Trump presidency as furthering his goals of de-legitimising the existing political process.
Putin very definitely wanted a Trump presidency. He and HRC have a long history of animosity, and HRC is as savvy and shrewd as he is. On the other hand, Trump is the ideal useful idiot. He's a thin-skinned clown who thinks he is a genius. Putin is going to lead Trump around by the nose.
You can't know that for sure...
Well, yeah, that's why I said "makes sense to me"
It's accepted that the Russians (and other state actors) has hacked Clinton's own private email server.... there's a treasure trove of blackmail material there, such that, it's equally likely that Russia didn't care who'd win. A useful idiot in Trump or a blackmail-able Clinton Presidency.
I don't believe there's anything blackmail-able on HRC in those emails. They've been gone over pretty thoroughly. What blackmail material are you thinking of?
Somewhat off-topic, but I do like the idea of an alternate reality where 100k key deplorables had the flu and stayed home. President HRC is secretly confronted with proof about Slick Willy's nefarious dealings with various women and girls, and she just throws him under the bus. Cold revenge, indeed.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Clinton was an awful candidate, who was always going to lose IMO. Yes, I admit that I predicted a Clinton victory months ago, but after Brexit, I knew the game was up for Clinton and adjusted my opinion accordingly.
America is ready for a female Commander in Chief, but it's any woman but Clinton is what my reading is of the situation.
That's a pretty weird conclusion after Clinton won the popular vote and lost a razor-close election.
Less than 100k votes out of 120 million going the other way (or simply staying home on election day) in a few key-states and HRC win the election. Hardly a candidate who was "always going to lose".
But she lost to Trump. How bad do you have to be to lose to Trump, regardless of what system was used?
There is something to be said for this. There's also something to be said for some of the last minute election hijinks like Comey's highly irregular actions and some other stuff, but ultimately, the fact that Trump won says a lot about the quality of Mrs. Clinton as a candidate. I dont think she was destined to lose by any means, but, much like 2008, she was magnificent at seizing defeat from the jaws of victory
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First and foremost, what steps were taken to stop Wikileaks director Julian Assange from distributing this highly sensitive classified material especially after he had already published material not once but twice in the previous months? Assange is not a “journalist,” any more than the “editor” of al Qaeda’s new English-language magazine Inspire is a “journalist.” He is an anti-American operative with blood on his hands. His past posting of classified documents revealed the identity of more than 100 Afghan sources to the Taliban. Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders?
What if any diplomatic pressure was brought to bear on NATO, EU, and other allies to disrupt Wikileaks’ technical infrastructure? Did we use all the cyber tools at our disposal to permanently dismantle Wikileaks? Were individuals working for Wikileaks on these document leaks investigated? Shouldn’t they at least have had their financial assets frozen just as we do to individuals who provide material support for terrorist organizations?
..good times.
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First and foremost, what steps were taken to stop Wikileaks director Julian Assange from distributing this highly sensitive classified material especially after he had already published material not once but twice in the previous months? Assange is not a “journalist,” any more than the “editor” of al Qaeda’s new English-language magazine Inspire is a “journalist.” He is an anti-American operative with blood on his hands. His past posting of classified documents revealed the identity of more than 100 Afghan sources to the Taliban. Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders?
What if any diplomatic pressure was brought to bear on NATO, EU, and other allies to disrupt Wikileaks’ technical infrastructure? Did we use all the cyber tools at our disposal to permanently dismantle Wikileaks? Were individuals working for Wikileaks on these document leaks investigated? Shouldn’t they at least have had their financial assets frozen just as we do to individuals who provide material support for terrorist organizations?
..good times.
imma need a neck brace when she flips after Wikileak posts something unflattering of the Trump administration...
Thought it worth posting as it covers potential Trump actions and does mention the hacking. Posted text in spoiler for those not wishing to click the link.
Spoiler:
A little over a year ago, on a pleasant late fall evening, I was sitting on my front porch with a friend best described as a Ukrainian freedom fighter. He was smoking a cigarette while we watched Southeast DC hipsters bustle by and talked about ‘the war’ — the big war, being waged by Russia against all of us, which from this porch felt very far away. I can’t remember what prompted it — some discussion of whether the government in Kyiv was doing something that would piss off the EU — but he took a long drag off his cigarette and said, offhand: “Russia. The EU. It's all just more Molotov-Ribbentrop gak.”
His casual reference to the Hitler-Stalin pact dividing Eastern Europe before WWII was meant as a reminder that Ukraine must decide its future for itself, rather than let it be negotiated between great powers. But it haunted me, this idea that modern revolutionaries no longer felt some special affinity with the West. Was it the belief in collective defense that was weakening, or the underlying certitude that Western values would prevail?
Months later, on a different porch thousands of miles away, an Estonian filmmaker casually explained to me that he was buying a boat to get his family out when the Russians came, so he could focus on the resistance. In between were a hundred other exchanges — with Balts and Ukrainians, Georgians and Moldovans — that answered my question and exposed the new reality on the Russian frontier: the belief that, ultimately, everyone would be left to fend for themselves. Increasingly, people in Russia’s sphere of influence were deciding that the values that were supposed to bind the West together could no longer hold. That the world order Americans depend on had already come apart.
From Moscow, Vladimir Putin has seized the momentum of this unraveling, exacting critical damage to the underpinnings of the liberal world order in a shockingly short time. As he builds a new system to replace the one we know, attempts by America and its allies to repair the damage have been limited and slow. Even this week, as Barack Obama tries to confront Russia’s open and unprecedented interference in our political process, the outgoing White House is so far responding to 21st century hybrid information warfare with last century’s diplomatic toolkit: the expulsion of spies, targeted sanctions, potential asset seizure. The incoming administration, while promising a new approach, has betrayed a similar lack of vision. Their promised attempt at another “reset” with Russia is a rehash of a policy that has utterly failed the past two American administrations.
What both administrations fail to realize is that the West is already at war, whether it wants to be or not. It may not be a war we recognize, but it is a war. This war seeks, at home and abroad, to erode our values, our democracy, and our institutional strength; to dilute our ability to sort fact from fiction, or moral right from wrong; and to convince us to make decisions against our own best interests.
Those on the Russian frontier, like my friends from Ukraine and Estonia, have already seen the Kremlin’s new toolkit at work. The most visible example may be “green men,” the unlabeled Russian-backed forces that suddenly popped up to seize the Crimean peninsula and occupy eastern Ukraine. But the wider battle is more subtle, a war of subversion rather than domination. The recent interference in the American elections means that these shadow tactics have now been deployed – with surprising effectiveness – not just against American allies, but against America itself. And the only way forward for America and the West is to embrace the spirit of the age that Putin has created, plow through the chaos, and focus on building what comes next.
President-elect Trump has characteristics that can aid him in defining what comes next. He is, first and foremost, a rule-breaker, not quantifiable by metrics we know. In a time of inconceivable change, that can be an incredible asset. He comes across as a straight talker, and he can be blunt with the American people about the threats we face. He is a man of many narratives, and can find a way to sell these decisions to the American people. He believes in strength, and knows hard power is necessary.
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So far, Trump seems far more likely than any of his predecessors to accelerate, rather than resist, the unwinding of the postwar order. And that could be a very bad — or an unexpectedly good — thing. So far, he has chosen to act as if the West no longer matters, seemingly blind to the danger that Putin’s Russia presents to American security and American society. The question ahead of us is whether Trump will aid the Kremlin’s goals with his anti-globalist, anti-NATO rhetoric– or whether he’ll clearly see the end of the old order, grasp the nature of the war we are in, and have the vision and the confrontational spirit to win it.
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To understand the shift underway in the world, and to stop being outmaneuvered, we first need to see the Russian state for what it really is. Twenty-five years ago, the Soviet Union collapsed. This freed the Russian security state from its last constraints. In 1991, there were around 800,000 official KGB agents in Russia. They spent a decade reorganizing themselves into the newly-minted FSB, expanding and absorbing other instruments of power, including criminal networks, other security services, economic interests, and parts of the political elite. They rejected the liberal, democratic Russia that President Boris Yeltsin was trying to build.
Following the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings that the FSB almost certainly planned, former FSB director Vladimir Putin was installed as President. We should not ignore the significance of these events. An internal operation planned by the security services killed hundreds of Russian citizens. It was used as the pretext to re-launch a bloody, devastating internal war led by emergent strongman Putin. Tens of thousands of Chechen civilians and fighters and Russian conscripts died. The narrative was controlled to make the enemy clear and Putin victorious. This information environment forced a specific political objective: Yeltsin resigned and handed power to Putin on New Year’s Eve 1999.
From beginning to end, the operation took three months. This is how the Russian security state shook off the controls of political councils or representative democracy. This is how it thinks and how it acts — then, and now. Blood or war might be required, but controlling information and the national response to that information is what matters. Many Russians, scarred by the unrelenting economic, social, and security hardship of the 1990s, welcomed the rise of the security state, and still widely support it, even as it has hollowed out the Russian economy and civic institutions. Today, as a result, Russia is little more than a ghastly hybrid of an overblown police state and a criminal network with an economy the size of Italy — and the world’s largest nuclear arsenal.
Even Russian policy hands, raised on the Western understanding of traditional power dynamics, find the implications of this hard to understand. This Russia does not aspire to be like us, or to make itself stronger than we are. Rather, its leaders want the West—and specifically NATO and America — to become weaker and more fractured until we are as broken as they perceive themselves to be. No reset can be successful, regardless the personality driving it, because Putin’s Russia requires the United States of America as its enemy.
We can only confront this by fully understanding how the Kremlin sees the world. Its worldview and objectives are made abundantly clear in speeches, op-eds, official policy and national strategy documents, journal articles, interviews, and, in some cases, fiction writing of Russian officials and ideologues. We should understand several things from this material.
First, it is a war. A thing to be won, decisively — not a thing to be negotiated or bargained. It’s all one war: Ukraine, Turkey, Syria, the Baltics, Georgia. It’s what Vladislav Surkov, Putin’s ‘grey cardinal’ and lead propagandist, dubbed ”non-linear war” in his science fiction story “Without Sky,” in 2014.
Second, it’s all one war machine. Military, technological, information, diplomatic, economic, cultural, criminal, and other tools are all controlled by the state and deployed toward one set of strategic objectives. This is the Gerasimov doctrine, penned by Valery Gerasimov, the Russian Chief of the General Staff, in 2013. Political warfare is meant to achieve specific political outcomes favorable to the Kremlin: it is preferred to physical conflict because it is cheap and easy. The Kremlin has many notches in its belt in this category, some of which have been attributed, many likely not. It’s a mistake to see this campaign in the traditional terms of political alliances: rarely has the goal been to install overtly pro-Russian governments. Far more often, the goal is simply to replace Western-style democratic regimes with illiberal, populist, or nationalist ones.
Third, information warfare is not about creating an alternate truth, but eroding our basic ability to distinguish truth at all. It is not “propaganda” as we’ve come to think of it, but the less obvious techniques known in Russia as “active measures” and “reflexive control”. Both are designed to make us, the targets, act against our own best interests.
Fourth, the diplomatic side of this non-linear war isn’t a foreign policy aimed at building a new pro-Russian bloc, Instead, it’s what the Kremlin calls a “multi-vector” foreign policy, undermining the strength of Western institutions by coalescing alternate — ideally temporary and limited — centers of power. Rather than a stable world order undergirded by the U.S. and its allies, the goal is an unstable new world order of “all against all.” The Kremlin has tried to accelerate this process by both inflaming crises that overwhelm the Western response (for example, the migration crisis in Europe, and the war in eastern Ukraine) and by showing superiority in ‘solving’ crises the West could not (for example, bombing Syria into submission, regardless of the cost, to show Russia can impose stability in the Middle East when the West cannot).
This leads to the final point: hard power matters. Russia maintains the second most powerful military in the world, and spends more than 5 percent of its weakened GDP on defense. Russia used military force to invade and occupy Georgian territory in 2008 to disrupt the expansion of NATO, and in 2013 in Ukraine to disrupt the expansion of the EU. They have invested heavily in military reform, new generations of hardware and weapons, and expansive special operations training, much of which debuted in the wars in Ukraine and Syria. There is no denying that Russia is willing to back up its rhetoric and policy with deployed force, and that the rest of the world notices.
The West must accept that Putin has transformed what we see as tremendous weakness into considerable strength. If Russia were a strong economy closely linked to the global system, it would have vulnerabilities to more traditional diplomacy. But in the emerging world order, it is a significant actor – and in the current Russian political landscape, no new sanctions can overcome the defensive, insular war-economy mentality that the Kremlin has built.
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How did we reach this point? After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Western security and political alliances expanded to fill the zone of instability left behind. The emerging Russian security state could only define this as the strategic advance of an enemy. The 9/11 attacks shattered Western concepts of security and conflict and expanded NATO’s new mission of projecting security. When Putin offered his assistance, we effectively responded “no thanks,” thinking in particular of his bloody, ongoing, scorched-earth war against the Chechens. We did it for the right reasons. Nonetheless, it infuriated Putin. This was the last moment when any real rapprochement with Putin’s Russia was possible.
Since that time, physical warfare has changed in ways that create a new kind of space for Putin to intervene globally. The Obama administration has a deep distaste for official overseas deployments of US troops and the associated political costs. ‘No new wars’ was the oft-repeated mantra — which altered America’s toolbox for, if not the frequency of, foreign interventions. Drone warfare was greatly expanded, as was the reliance on special forces— a politically easy choice due to their diverse capabilities and voluntary career commitment to service. But the actual number of special forces operators is exceedingly small and increasingly exhausted; soldiers deployed in shadow wars and shadow missions have far less protection than troops in traditional ground combat.
As the definitions of war and peace have blurred, creating impossibly vast front lines and impossibly vague boundaries of conflict, Putin has launched a kind of global imperialist insurgency. The Kremlin aggressively promotes an alternate ideological base to expand an illiberal world order in which the rights and freedoms that most Americans feel are essential to democracy don’t necessarily exist. It backs this up with military, economic, cultural and diplomatic resources. Through a combination of leveraging hard power and embracing the role of permanent disruptor — hacker, mercenary, rule-breaker, liar, thief — Putin works to ensure that Russia cannot be excluded from global power.
Putin tries to define recent history as an anomaly — where the world built with American sweat and ingenuity and blood and sacrifice, by the society founded on American exceptionalism, is a thing to be erased and corrected. The Russian version of exceptionalism is not a reflection of aspirational character, but a requirement that Russia remain distinct and apart from the world. Until we understand this, and that America is defined as the glavny protivnik (the ‘main enemy’) of Russia, we will never speak to Putin’s Russia in a language it can understand.
There is less and less to stand against Putin’s campaign of destabilization. It’s been 99 years since America began investing in European security with blood, and sweat, and gold. Two world wars and a long, cold conflict later, we felt secure with the institutional framework of NATO and the EU — secure in the idea that these institutions projected our security and our interests far beyond our shores. The post-WWII liberal world order and its accompanying security architecture ushered in an unparalleled period of growth and peace and prosperity for the US and other transatlantic countries.
I spend most of my time near the Russian frontier, and today that architecture seems like a Kodachrome snapshot from yesteryear. We joke that we yearn for a fight we can win with a gun, because the idea of a physical invasion is actually preferable to the constant uncertainty of economic, information, and political shadow warfare from the Kremlin.
Combatants in these shadow wars bear no designations, and protections against these methods are few. From the front lines, in the absence of the fabric of reassurance woven from our values and principles and shared sacrifice — and in the absence of the moral clarity of purpose derived from “us and them” — civil society is left naked, unarmored. Putin has dictated the mood of the unfolding era — an era of upheaval. This past year marks the arrival of this mood in American politics, whether Americans deny it or not. The example of Eastern Europe suggests that without renewed vision and purpose, and without strong alliances to amplify our defense and preserve our legacy, America too will find itself unanchored, adrift in currents stirred and guided by the Kremlin.
President-elect Trump harnessed this energy of upheaval to win the American presidency — a victory that itself was a symptom of the breakdown of the post-WWII order, in which institutional trust has eroded and unexpected outcomes have become the order of the day. Now it is his responsibility to define what comes next — or else explain to Americans, who want to be great again, why everything they’ve invested in and sacrificed for over the past century was ultimately for nothing.
As Obama did, Trump has already made the first mistake in negotiating with the Russians: telling them that there is anything to negotiate. Trump likes to discuss Putin’s strengths. He should also understand that much of it is smoke and mirrors. A renewed approach to dealing with Putin’s Russia should begin by addressing the tactics of Russia’s new warfare from the perspective of strength.
We have to accept we’re in a war and that we have a lot to lose. We need to look at this war differently, both geographically and strategically. For example, it’s hard to understand Ukraine and Syria as two fronts in the same conflict when we never evaluate them together with Moscow in the center of the map, as Russia does. We also need a new national security concept that adds a new strategic framework, connects all our resources, and allows us to better evaluate and respond to Gerasimov-style warfare: we have to learn to fight their one war machine with a unified machine of our own. This will also strengthen and quicken decisionmaking on critical issues in the US — something we will also need to replicate within NATO.
Exposing how the Kremlin’s political and information warfare works is a critical component of this strategy, as is acting to constrain it. We must (re)accept the notion that hard power is the guarantor of any international system: security is a precondition for anything (everything) else. That the projection of our values has tracked with and been amplified by force projection is no accident. Human freedom requires security. NATO has been the force projection of our values. It hasn’t just moved the theoretical line of conflict further forward: the force multiplication and value transference has enhanced our security. This is far cheaper, and far stronger, than trying to do this ourselves.
It’s also important to acknowledge that a more isolated, more nationalist America helps Putin in his objectives even while it compromises our own. We need to accept that America was part of, and needs to be part of, a global system — and that this system is better, cheaper, and more powerful than any imagined alternatives. For many years, the United States has been the steel in the framework that holds everything together; this is what we mean by ‘world order’ and ‘security architecture,’ two concepts that few politicians try to discuss seriously with the electorate.
Taken together, these steps would be a critical realignment to our strategic thinking and internal operations, and would allow us to plow through this era of upheaval with greater certainty and for greater benefit to the American people.
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In an era increasingly cynical about American ideals, and skeptical about intervention abroad, how can the US build support for a new, more muscular global resistance to what Russia is trying to do?
We already have one model: the Cold War. Putin and his minions have spent the past 15 years ranting about how the West (specifically NATO) wants a new Cold War. By doing so, they have been conditioning us to deny it, and made us do it so continually that we have convinced ourselves it is true. This is classic reflexive control.
The truth is that fighting a new Cold War would be in America’s interest. Russia teaches us a very important lesson: losing an ideological war without a fight will ruin you as a nation. The fight is the American way. When we stop fighting for our ideals abroad, we stop fighting for them at home. We won the last Cold War. We will win the next one too. When it’s us against them, they were, and are, never going to be the winner. But when it's “all against all” — a “multipolar” world with “multi-vector” policy, a state of shifting alliances and permanent instability — Russia, with a centrally controlled, tiny command structure unaccountable for its actions in any way, still has a chance for a seat at the table. They pursue the multipolar world not because it is right or just, but because it is the only world in which they can continue to matter without pushing a nuclear launch sequence.
We must understand this, and focus now, as Putin does, on shaping the world that comes next and defining what our place is in it. Trump has shown willingness to reevaluate his positions and change course — except on issues relating to Russia, and strengthening alliances with the Kremlin’s global illiberal allies. By doing so, he is making himself a footnote to Putin’s chapter of history — little more than another of Putin’s hollow men.
Trump should understand, regardless of what the Russians did in our elections, he already won the prize. It won’t be taken away just because he admits the Russians intervened. Taking away the secrecy of Russian actions — exposing whatever it was they did, to everyone — is the only way to take away their power over the US political system and to free himself from their strings, as well. Whatever Putin’s gambit was, Trump is the one who can make sure that Putin doesn’t win.
Trump should set the unpredictable course and become the champion against the most toxic, ambitious regime of the modern world. Rebuilding American power — based on the values of liberal democracy — is the only escape from Putin’s corrosive vision of a world at permanent war. We need a new united front. But we must be the center of it. It matters deeply that the current generation of global revolutionaries and reformers, like my Ukrainian friend, no longer see themselves as fighting for us or our ideals.
In a strange way, Trump could be just crazy enough — enough of a outlier and a rogue — to expose what Putin’s Russia is and end the current cycle of upheaval and decline. This requires non-standard thinking and leadership — but also purpose, and commitment, and values. It requires faith — for and from the American people and American institutions. And it requires the existence of truth.
The alternative is accepting that our history and our nation were, in fact, not the beginning of a better — greater — world, but the long anomaly in a tyrannous and dark one.
Document linked discusses the hacking and some ways to mitigate against future attempts.
Based on this document, it isn't really specific has to who was compromised. What this report does say, it's that the hackers are affiliated with RIS.
We're left to assume that Podesta was a victim of the phishing tactic, but this report implied that many other government workers were victimized as well.
It's not a well constructed forensic report.
Also, the mitigation strategies are basic IT Security's best practice methodologies that's been around for ever...
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Document linked discusses the hacking and some ways to mitigate against future attempts.
Based on this document, it isn't really specific has to who was compromised. What this report does say, it's that the hackers are affiliated with RIS.
We're left to assume that Podesta was a victim of the phishing tactic, but this report implied that many other government workers were victimized as well.
It's not a well constructed forensic report.
Also, the mitigation strategies are basic IT Security's best practice methodologies that's been around for ever...
The document purposely does not mention specific parties or individuals. It is attempting to be apolitical. The intent of the document was to, in very basic terms, describe HOW the organizations did what they did.
I don't have the link to the accompanying CSV and STIX files, but it gives IOCs of the actors and IPs to add to watch lists. Yeah, basic stuff but show me where else that basic stuff is applied to these particular groups.
Document linked discusses the hacking and some ways to mitigate against future attempts.
Based on this document, it isn't really specific has to who was compromised. What this report does say, it's that the hackers are affiliated with RIS.
We're left to assume that Podesta was a victim of the phishing tactic, but this report implied that many other government workers were victimized as well.
It's not a well constructed forensic report.
Also, the mitigation strategies are basic IT Security's best practice methodologies that's been around for ever...
The document purposely does not mention specific parties or individuals. It is attempting to be apolitical. The intent of the document was to, in very basic terms, describe HOW the organizations did what they did.
I don't have the link to the accompanying CSV and STIX files, but it gives IOCs of the actors and IPs to add to watch lists. Yeah, basic stuff but show me where else that basic stuff is applied to these particular groups.
That's the crux of my argument.
It shouldn't be apolitical in the sense that it may be politically inconvienent. (meaning, how long can the WH keep the 'Russian hackedthe elections' narrative???)
Furthermore, what's missing from this JAR report is the DNC leak/hack itself... there's nothing about that in this report.
Addendum: This also highlights that there's gotta be a better way to ensure/enforce proper IT security with our nation's IT infrastructure...
So, what this says is that it is understood by the IC that these payloads are RIS connected. So, we can assume that the Phishing scam that Podesta fell for *is* RIS conducted or actors linked to RIS.
Do you know where the some sort of information is available for the DNC hack/leak (or even the RNC attempt?).
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